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Offline Roquen

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« Reply #30 - Posted 2014-09-26 13:41:35 »

Maybe you should clarify whom you're referring to.
Offline Cero
« Reply #31 - Posted 2014-09-26 16:28:20 »

Don't agree with Cas and some other people who got like converted from this video

Phil Fish is an asshole. The end.
Now, him being in the gaming indie public eye generates way more hate and anger than it would normally.
However if you say, sounding serious, "all japanese games are garbage" in front of like 20 people. I guess 9 will call you out and 5 will call you names.
if you do it on the internet its just more people.

Phil Fish is the same asshole with or without the internet, unless he deliberately says things to be hated online.
The only difference is the anger is magnified so much because the audience is so big.

He simply doesnt know how to interact with people. A person should be friendly and polite, especially to strangers and especially in front of a huge audience, none of which you know personally.

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« Reply #32 - Posted 2014-09-26 17:16:33 »

I could care less if Mr. Fish is or isn't an asshole.  It's moot.
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« Reply #33 - Posted 2014-09-26 18:11:25 »

Don't agree with Cas and some other people who got like converted from this video

Did you bother to watch it? It's actually quite interesting and does not discuss whether the guy is an asshole or not.

Now, him being in the gaming indie public eye generates way more hate and anger than it would normally.
However if you say, sounding serious, "all japanese games are garbage" in front of like 20 people. I guess 9 will call you out and 5 will call you names.
if you do it on the internet its just more people.

I'd hardly expect the audience to start making death threats to him or his family, do you? Or would you consider this a proportionate response to someone giving his - asked for - opinion on some computer games in a somewhat blunt way?

He simply doesnt know how to interact with people. A person should be friendly and polite, especially to strangers and especially in front of a huge audience, none of which you know personally.

Self-criticism is difficult, isn't it? Your last sentence made me laugh. Here is you, Cero, posting on the internet, while preaching that you should always be friendly and polite, for all the world to see "Phil Fish is an asshole. The end." Does that not strike you the least bit as ironic?

Offline Drenius
« Reply #34 - Posted 2014-09-26 18:55:07 »

Really, why do we or does anybody care, I think thats actually the best standpoint. - just personal opinion.

Be friendly to others. If they are not, be it though, or you are making it escalate.

You might disagree with me here and this is fine.
Offline Cero
« Reply #35 - Posted 2014-09-26 21:20:43 »

Did you bother to watch it? It's actually quite interesting and does not discuss whether the guy is an asshole or not.
Well over a month ago. Yeah its true but I don't agree with the implication. A lot of people are famous, not all of them we hate.
This is not the audience's fault, it purely because he behaved like he did. Do some people hate Kojima or Gabe Newell, I guess so, but these people have a normal spectrum of love and hate. Phil Fish does not, for good reason.

I'd hardly expect the audience to start making death threats to him or his family, do you? Or would you consider this a proportionate response to someone giving his - asked for - opinion on some computer games in a somewhat blunt way?
It seems to be happening now on the internet if you act like Phil Fish, so I'm just saying it is to be expected when the audience is this big and the opinions are this harsh.
Also let's not forget he always seemed to wanted this attention. If can't stand the heat... be nice or get out.

Self-criticism is difficult, isn't it? Your last sentence made me laugh. Here is you, Cero, posting on the internet, while preaching that you should always be friendly and polite, for all the world to see "Phil Fish is an asshole. The end." Does that not strike you the least bit as ironic?
I don't think self-criticism is hard at all. Well I do strive to be polite and friendly, I'm not sure using the word asshole just like that voids it completely.
He has strong radical opinions and expresses them loudly openly in an aggressive manner.
Considering what he said, I feel asshole is not THAT impolite.
But I get your point.

Offline Roquen

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« Reply #36 - Posted 2014-09-27 05:56:47 »

"Exactly.  The bitch deserved to get raped.  Did you see how she was dressed?  I saw her drink at least one glass of alcohol.  And the way she was dancing?  The cunt deserved it."

Something like that?
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« Reply #37 - Posted 2014-09-27 06:43:11 »

I would like to point out that, from my point of the video, I saw it as (well, more of the start of it) he just accidently got famous without publishing any games...
Other indie programmers didn't like this...
People start getting crabby at him...
He starts getting crabby back...
Everyone starts to hate him for being so crabby...
Although no one cares about the people being mean to him...

He just fell in to 'being famous' so fast that when he hit the bottom he exploded into a million little pieces...
When people get mean to you, you start to feel down... When you feel down you get a bad attitude...
No-one really cared how he was feeling... They where just feeding the beast...

NOTE: I was actually going to write a lot less but my fingers just couldn't stop...

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Offline kaffiene
« Reply #38 - Posted 2014-09-27 07:48:30 »

Yuppers.  They are bog standard literary criticism applied to games. About as controversial as breathing.

The reaction to them was childish, stupid, boorish, ill-educated and entirely predictable.  The problem is that literary criticism is usually consumed by academics who are interested in discussing themes in art. In this case, a bunch of people who are too stupid to understand it watched the series (or more likely got a half-baked opinion second hand from someone else who actually watched one) and figured that their sandpit was being pissed in by a big nasty bully.  Which is... indescribably wrong and muddle-headed.

As for Cas: man I loved your tirade.  Reading it, I was getting pissed off part way through, but I got your point in the end and it certainly did make for a perception shift as your point about the worth of individual customers sank in.  

You were way more provocative than Sarkeesian so I hope you've not had your family threatened, bomb threats et al?

There have been some people that have overreacted a bit. But to be honest, mentioning academics discussions and the sarkeesian videos in one sentence is a bit of a joke to me. While the topic surely would be interesting, those videos are innaccurate and very narrow sighted. Anita manages to show up the things she deems wrong but basically leaves out things that don't fit into her world view.

Seriously, have you watched some of the videos? In hitman, the goal is to murder innocent sexualized women, drag them around and put them in a box. The dragging mechanics have been implemented solely to satisfy mans need to overpower women.


Yes I have watched all of the videos.  I thought they were thought provoking.  I note that the developer behind Saints Row - which was covered in the videos - said that the criticism was warranted and they're taking that into account for future games.
Offline theagentd
« Reply #39 - Posted 2014-09-27 15:06:25 »

"Exactly.  The bitch deserved to get raped.  Did you see how she was dressed?  I saw her drink at least one glass of alcohol.  And the way she was dancing?  The cunt deserved it."

Something like that?
We keep saying that, but at the same time we all lock our doors, we have expensive alarm systems, we use anti-virus software, we hire bodyguards, we have anti-cheat software for our games... If you forget to lock your door and your house gets emptied by a robber, it's obviously not your fault, but that doesn't mean that you couldn't have done anything to prevent it. There are lots of things that we shouldn't have to do, but if we don't some people will take advantage of us.

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Offline Cero
« Reply #40 - Posted 2014-09-27 17:05:20 »

He just fell in to 'being famous' so fast that when he hit the bottom he exploded into a million little pieces...
When people get mean to you, you start to feel down... When you feel down you get a bad attitude...
No-one really cared how he was feeling... They where just feeding the beast...

Everyone should simply know, talking on the internet, on twitter and cons is not talking to your private friends, its an open 'press' release, its a marketing / PR job
as the audience gets bigger, the criticism gets rougher and its morel likely to have more super jerks in there
and fish was never shy about his outbursts


There was this PR manager for the new mighty number 9 kickstarter project (megaman) who said, on twitter, she never played the megaman games and only got this job because of her boyfriend.
she deleted that tweet later.
a month later a press release on their website appears where she formally introduces herself and claims that MegamanX is her favorite compared to the others because of some reasons.
How can imagine what happened.

JGO is here and its forum posts are easily found via google searches.
If any of you get famous enough and say something radical, and people find out there is a backlog of forum posts on here, they will traverse them all and expose you, if possible.

Offline Roquen

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« Reply #41 - Posted 2014-09-28 06:35:11 »

"Exactly.  The bitch deserved to get raped.  Did you see how she was dressed?  I saw her drink at least one glass of alcohol.  And the way she was dancing?  The cunt deserved it."

Something like that?
We keep saying that, but at the same time we all lock our doors, we have expensive alarm systems, we use anti-virus software, we hire bodyguards, we have anti-cheat software for our games... If you forget to lock your door and your house gets emptied by a robber, it's obviously not your fault, but that doesn't mean that you couldn't have done anything to prevent it. There are lots of things that we shouldn't have to do, but if we don't some people will take advantage of us.

Preventive measures is a different topic.  And frankly virtually all of them only give you an illusion of added security.  Oh and for people having a bad "connect-the-dots" day my rape example is to highlight the "blame the victim" mentality.  We all do that in our heads at times.  And the reason most of us do so is because it subconsciously makes us feel safer for ourselves and people we know.  We wouldn't have done that so bad things wouldn't happen to us.

So sticking with my rape example...what exact meaningful preventive measure can a woman take?  Answer none.  Like murders the vast majority of rapes are by persons known.  Back on the generalized version of the topic of this thread...what preventive measure can you take if your opinion might anger others?  Say nothing?  f**k that...the world sucks enough, imagine how much worse it would be if nobody ever spoke out about anything.

@Cero:  I don't understand anything your saying...are you sure you're in the right thread.
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« Reply #42 - Posted 2014-09-28 08:51:22 »

... there is a backlog of forum posts on here, they will traverse them all and expose you, if possible.
nah, just create another account and pay the ops to shut up about the IP.
Offline Grunnt

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« Reply #43 - Posted 2014-09-28 10:41:24 »

Also, I was thinking of this XKCD when reading this topic:


I must admit I have been an asshole on the internet plenty of times because of this. But fortunately I grow a little bit wiser over time..

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« Reply #44 - Posted 2014-09-28 12:16:44 »

Also, I was thinking of this XKCD when reading this topic:


I must admit I have been an asshole on the internet plenty of times because of this. But fortunately I grow a little bit wiser over time..

XKCD!!!
I love that comic!!!

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Offline Cero
« Reply #45 - Posted 2014-09-28 16:43:56 »

@Cero:  I don't understand anything your saying...are you sure you're in the right thread.

Ok let me make it simple for you.
If a lot of people on the internet know you, many of those people will be jerks, mathematically. If then you say the wrong things you may generate some hate. And those jerks excel at showing it.

As the sample size gets bigger, there are more extreme people.

Offline Roquen

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« Reply #46 - Posted 2014-09-28 17:28:19 »

All of that is a given.  My point is that it's unacceptable for people to move from being hostile jerks to criminal attacks.  As a society we must condemn criminal attacks even if we disagree, even strongly, with the attacked assuming the attacked is engaged in legal activity.
Offline Drenius
« Reply #47 - Posted 2014-09-28 17:55:23 »

To repeat my point: Agression on the internet survives from getting attention and more agression. If you don't like it at any point, just get out, nobody will notice, noboy will feel offended again.

EDIT: And if it is pointed at you, people will see it is spam, and will agree with you in case you ignore it.
EDIT2: Not everybody, but the average person.
Offline Roquen

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« Reply #48 - Posted 2014-09-28 18:20:32 »

Again.  Reasonable thinking in the common case which has nothing to do with the points of this topic.  These suggestions are a non-option.
Offline Andre Lopes
« Reply #49 - Posted 2014-09-29 03:39:48 »

To repeat my point: Agression on the internet survives from getting attention and more agression. If you don't like it at any point, just get out, nobody will notice, noboy will feel offended again.

EDIT: And if it is pointed at you, people will see it is spam, and will agree with you in case you ignore it.
EDIT2: Not everybody, but the average person.

Or you can insult them back and end like phil?
Huh, you got a point there.
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« Reply #50 - Posted 2014-09-29 04:16:27 »

It's easy to be angry at someone who is aggressive.
It's possible to be angry at someone who ignores you.
It's hard to be angry at someone who is being kind to you.

Offline Andre Lopes
« Reply #51 - Posted 2014-09-29 16:28:20 »

It's easy to be angry at someone who is aggressive.
It's possible to be angry at someone who ignores you.
It's hard to be angry at someone who is being kind to you.

I agree but,
Thats what a normal person thinks.

Heres what a troll thinks :

TROLL!


They dont care, they just troll.No matter what.

Offline Opiop
« Reply #52 - Posted 2014-09-29 16:38:29 »

It's easy to be angry at someone who is aggressive.
It's possible to be angry at someone who ignores you.
It's hard to be angry at someone who is being kind to you.

I agree but,
Thats what a normal person thinks.

Heres what a troll thinks :

TROLL!


They dont care, they just troll.No matter what.


"Trolls" are normal people just like everyone else. They don't constantly think about annoying people, they love and feel the same emotions "normal" people do. I don't understand why you think that just because people sometimes "troll" they are automatically abnormal and think differently than "normal" people do.
Offline Andre Lopes
« Reply #53 - Posted 2014-09-29 16:48:11 »

It's easy to be angry at someone who is aggressive.
It's possible to be angry at someone who ignores you.
It's hard to be angry at someone who is being kind to you.

I agree but,
Thats what a normal person thinks.

Heres what a troll thinks :

TROLL!


They dont care, they just troll.No matter what.


"Trolls" are normal people just like everyone else. They don't constantly think about annoying people, they love and feel the same emotions "normal" people do. I don't understand why you think that just because people sometimes "troll" they are automatically abnormal and think differently than "normal" people do.

I refuse to start an argument with you Opiop Smiley
 Smiley

I think you are the nicest person ever.

Offline Opiop
« Reply #54 - Posted 2014-09-29 16:50:55 »

I'm... Not arguing with you just because I disagree with your statement.
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« Reply #55 - Posted 2014-09-29 18:32:18 »

....a 6ft 14 stone hairy arsed biker...

.... are you me? persecutioncomplex

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« Reply #56 - Posted 2014-09-29 18:56:21 »

I'm your sexier more awesome long-lost twin  Kiss

Cas Smiley

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« Reply #57 - Posted 2014-09-30 00:25:00 »

I thought about this a lot (cause I like thinking about stuff in my spare time):

Hitler is a bad person...
An a-hole is a part of the backside...
Everyone is more than a-hole, they have ears and emotions...
Stop calling people a-holes and the world would be fixed...

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Offline Andre Lopes
« Reply #58 - Posted 2014-09-30 03:11:18 »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W_hcLXKp5w

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« Reply #59 - Posted 2014-09-30 07:35:26 »

I'm your sexier more awesome long-lost twin  Kiss

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