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Offline lcass
« Posted 2014-02-22 10:57:51 »

So , what do you think about religion , the events in uganda and arizona, west borough baptist church. give your thoughts.
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« Reply #1 - Posted 2014-02-22 11:12:47 »



This will be good

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Offline Roquen
« Reply #2 - Posted 2014-02-22 11:26:31 »

west borough baptist church is awesome.  Funny and a good reminder how much man sucks.  BTW: It's a scam for lawsuits.  The comic-con protest a couples years back has some fun images...esp the counter protest.
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« Reply #3 - Posted 2014-02-22 11:44:26 »

I think... such discussions should not be continued on JGO.

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Offline gouessej
« Reply #4 - Posted 2014-02-22 11:52:22 »

I think that heterosexuals and homosexuals should have the same rights everywhere in the world.

I think that religions shouldn't try to have an influence on politics by any mean, your religion or your absence of religion should be only your own personal matter, it should be just between your god(s) and yourself, it shouldn't concern the rest of the society, the public institutions shouldn't have to deal with non democratic rules decided by a few people, including religious rules and the voted laws should always have a bigger weight than the religious "laws". This part of my opinion is more or less in the frame of French-style secularism.

I think that religions are mostly useless and a source of trouble but they won't disappear by the constraints. You can't force people to stop believing. I'm not completely narrow-minded, I won't force my children to stay far from religions but I will allow them to get baptized (if and only if they want) when they have at least 18 years old.

I'm not sure that JGO is the right place to talk about that, feel free to put my reply into the chitchat monster.

Offline Roquen
« Reply #5 - Posted 2014-02-22 12:06:37 »

But you're french...you're child could have a civil baptism.
Offline trollwarrior1
« Reply #6 - Posted 2014-02-22 12:09:46 »

In my opinion there shouldn't be a question about does religion go too far, the question should be whether religion should be allowed, because it makes people go dumb.
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« Reply #7 - Posted 2014-02-22 12:11:12 »

In my opinion there shouldn't be a question about does religion go too far, the question should be whether religion should be allowed, because it makes people go dumb.

That is exactly the kind of reply I was waiting for, well done. Now lets watch it burn, together.

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« Reply #8 - Posted 2014-02-22 12:37:52 »

Oh my god trollwarrior... I don't enjoy religious people because most of them use their God as an excuse to everything. God told me to do this, you should let me get away with it. God created the universe, screw science with all its facts. However, it doesn't make people stupid. How do I know? My grandfather is the youth minister at my church and he really is a great funny energetic and SMART guy.

Religion isn't the problem. It's how you use your faith that determined whether or not you're the problem.

As for gay rights, who the hell has the right to say that two people cannot be together? Whenever someone brings that up I always feel like we are back in the 1940's when the ****s pretty much killed off the Jewish population in Germany because why? They were Jewish. It sickens me.

Just thought I'd throw that in there before the chitchat monster devours this thread...

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Whoa, when I hit save the word N A Z I turned into stars... Guess that's a bad word around here?

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« Reply #9 - Posted 2014-02-22 12:44:40 »

Wow, that didn't take long  Pointing

Anyway, about gay rights and religion. I always respect that religion has been around for generations. It is ingrained in our societies just as much as breathing or eating. It is always a topic each person in a society will have to deal with sooner or later. In all honesty, people need to be able to make their own decisions. As long as people aren't harming nature, the environment, other people, or themselves, I personally have no problem with what people want to do.

The internet has seriously broadened my understanding of different cultures. Most people just want to live in peace and work to progress their lives. Religion in the good sense helps people cope. However, it is when beliefs of one religion are pushed on others where I think that we have to step back and respect boundaries.

Anyway, me, coming from the US doesn't really help anything. There is so many controversies of gay vs non-gay that seem to fester out of control here. People keep pushing the boundary between church and state so thin. It causes so many discrimination issues that fully point at religion.

But hey, America has gotten way too good at pointing fingers... Someone has to take the blame.   persecutioncomplex
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« Reply #10 - Posted 2014-02-22 12:46:33 »


Whoa, when I hit save the word N A Z I turned into stars... Guess that's a bad word around here?

Been on quite a few forums that have blocked the word Jew, when really it just short for "A Jewish person".

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« Reply #11 - Posted 2014-02-22 12:48:17 »


Whoa, when I hit save the word N A Z I turned into stars... Guess that's a bad word around here?

Been on quite a few forums that have blocked the word Jew, when really it just short for "A Jewish person".

I don't know, thats kind of weird. The word that censored out above isn't a bad word... Its the idea behind the word. Words and books shouldn't be censored for what they are, the people who use them should be censored.

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« Reply #12 - Posted 2014-02-22 12:50:45 »


Whoa, when I hit save the word N A Z I turned into stars... Guess that's a bad word around here?

Been on quite a few forums that have blocked the word Jew, when really it just short for "A Jewish person".

I don't know, thats kind of weird. The word the censored out above isn't a bad word... Its the idea behind the word. Words and books shouldn't be censored for what they are, the people who use them should be censored.

Being fair, how is N A Z I blocked but I can happily say shit, dick, cunt, asshole? Really that needs to be re-thought, I believe this is a family board and is rated 13 and above. There should be filtering, I am Scottish and I use the F and C word at least once per sentence even if I am asking for the time but I believe that in a community like this, it should be controlled to a degree.

Then again, it is good to be on a forum that allows freedom of speech.

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« Reply #13 - Posted 2014-02-22 14:38:41 »

The word nazi is just blocked by default in SMF. I had nothing to do with it, and will some day get rid of the blacklist. Meanwhile there are a dozen ways around it, like I just showed.

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Offline Roquen
« Reply #14 - Posted 2014-02-22 14:40:05 »

Isn't the whole reason due laws in Germany?
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« Reply #15 - Posted 2014-02-22 14:41:25 »

Maybe, but words like fuck are also banned, and that's not quite German

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« Reply #16 - Posted 2014-02-22 15:57:07 »

Isn't the whole reason due laws in Germany?

Then it would only apply if the server for this forum was hosted in that country, no?

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Offline Roquen
« Reply #17 - Posted 2014-02-22 16:37:16 »

You kidding?  Since when were laws sensible?
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« Reply #18 - Posted 2014-02-22 16:40:44 »

You kidding?  Since when were laws sensible?

Straight to the point, this guy gets it.

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Offline jonjava
« Reply #19 - Posted 2014-02-22 16:43:35 »

Boring.

I'ma hijack this thread and have you give your thoughts on the Mouse Utopia instead:

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Offline Drenius
« Reply #20 - Posted 2014-02-22 17:19:43 »

Scarifying...
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« Reply #21 - Posted 2014-02-22 18:17:37 »

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Offline Roquen
« Reply #22 - Posted 2014-02-22 18:23:12 »

It's already gay friendly (1 in 10 is what the last study I saw claimed).  It just may not be gay stereotype friendly.
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« Reply #23 - Posted 2014-02-22 18:36:11 »

Tbh now that I think about it, I actually have quite a lot of gay friends :s

You don't realise this until someone brings it up lol, I would rather go and drink with them than my straight mates, at the least the conversation does not revolve around fecal matter or sex.

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« Reply #24 - Posted 2014-02-22 20:39:51 »

I can't say I agree with homosexuality, but I'm not going to discriminate because of it.

Marriage is a religious concept, and if the religion says it should be between a man and a woman, it's not the government's place to force someone to marry a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

Also, saying you're being discriminated against and then trying to force people to go against their religion is simply stupidity.

It's a touchy subject, and even though I am a Christian, I don't agree with either side.

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« Reply #25 - Posted 2014-02-22 21:08:17 »

I disagree with the notion that marriage should only be a religious concept. Maybe it started out as one (I really don't know, I've barely looked at the Bible), but it should be about love for the person you are devoting your life to. God should not have to come into play with that if you don't want to. Religion should not control love, nor should the government. Love should be an individual thing, I can love someone if I want to. Why should God tell me I can't? I thought he was all accepting or whatever.

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« Reply #26 - Posted 2014-02-22 21:16:46 »

My point was more aimed at the fact that if marriage is (or was) a religious concept, then the people responsible for marrying should get to choose whether they marry same-gender couples.

God is all accepting, but it doesn't mean that something isn't wrong. (And don't take this the wrong way. I'm not pointigthe finger and yelling "YOU'RE EVIL!!!!!!" at homosexuals)

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« Reply #27 - Posted 2014-02-22 21:20:02 »

No I understand that. But I still feel it isn't right. Can I ask why you don't agree with homosexuality? What if I said you cannot marry a woman or have any sort of relations with her? And if you did "marry" her, you cannot claim to be her lawful SO? I don't think it's right at all to force people to not be who they want to be. Are gay people terrorists or criminals? Some may be, but the idea of being gay isn't. I wish people would stop resisting change and let others enjoy their lives so long as they don't impose on other people.

Offline gouessej
« Reply #28 - Posted 2014-02-22 21:21:25 »

But you're french...you're child could have a civil baptism.
Ok but it isn't mandatory anyway.

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« Reply #29 - Posted 2014-02-22 21:28:05 »

(I really don't know, I've barely looked at the Bible)

The bible is an... interesting piece of work, it states things like "If you disobey me, I will make you eat your sons and daughters" as well as "If you love your family more than me, you are not worthy of me" and "If you curse at your parents, you should be put to death".

In regards to homosexuality the bible is clearly against it "In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” and "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

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