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« Posted 2014-05-30 15:40:24 »

Anyone else played Watch_dogs? I personally think it is an amazing game, the only drawback is the fact that I can't play with my friends because the Uplay servers are really jacked up. Well, I was just wondering what others think about it.

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« Reply #1 - Posted 2014-05-30 16:06:04 »

Got it, haven't played too much, but what I have played, I think it's quite good.

Can't judge the story yet.

The hacking adds another layer to the gameplay, which makes it fun to try and figure out the best way to kill a group of bad guys with what's available.
For example: Crushing a guy by hacking a crane to drop the load it's carrying onto him.

Driving isn't the best, and the cars are relatively indestructible.

Visually it's great as well, not the absolute best out there, but definitely pretty.

Can't say much about the multiplayer due to the Uplay servers being poop.

Definitely no GTA, but then again, the devs never aspired the game to be.
Which is unfortunate, because many people seem to keep comparing the two :/

On my machine, I have performance issues, not completely sure why, I think it's GPU related, shows my GTX 580 is getting old :/
Albeit, I'm playing it on max at 1080p. With AA.

Offline Cero
« Reply #2 - Posted 2014-05-30 23:12:21 »

Its an rated M for mature, 18+ game...

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« Reply #3 - Posted 2014-05-30 23:15:59 »

What's that have to do with anything? Tongue

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« Reply #4 - Posted 2014-05-30 23:32:47 »


some parents don't let their children play those games but it still doesn't fit the topic since I'm only addressing people who have played it

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« Reply #5 - Posted 2014-05-31 00:35:18 »

I'm not uptight about pretty much anything... but the subject manner, themes, language, events and violence in these is something a minor really shouldnt be exposed to.

OP is 15. its just a little unsettling to see, especially because I just finished it and know the contents.
I wished that Watch Dogs was a game you can be a hero in, but youre just a murderer. I loved the idea of a GTA world just that you have a choice and morals. But there is not such thing here... you are forced to kill people.


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« Reply #6 - Posted 2014-05-31 00:57:42 »

@Cero
How do you know that OP is 15?
Also I don't think a 15 year old take any harm from playing a game with violence in it Tongue

Haven't played the game yet but I look forward to hear more about what people think about it, so I know if it is worth my money Smiley
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« Reply #7 - Posted 2014-05-31 02:55:43 »

So just finished and I have to say that I freakin loved it.

I'm not uptight about pretty much anything... but the subject manner, themes, language, events and violence in these is something a minor really shouldnt be exposed to.

OP is 15. its just a little unsettling to see, especially because I just finished it and know the contents.
I wished that Watch Dogs was a game you can be a hero in, but youre just a murderer. I loved the idea of a GTA world just that you have a choice and morals. But there is not such thing here... you are forced to kill people.



Interesting pov that I don't see very often. I'm am only fifteen and I think that some of the scenes in Watchdogs are graphic yet, it doesn't really affect me in an adverse way (as far as I know). I really just see watchdogs as a fun game that just also happens to be violent. That said, I do think that children of this age are extremely desensitized to this kind of stuff..

 

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« Reply #8 - Posted 2014-05-31 03:00:49 »

I see no issue with violence as long as you can control yourself and you realize what you are seeing is not ok. Of course letting 9 year olds play this game would be wrong as they might end up with a skewed sense of morals and what is ok and what isn't, but I hardly think OP is suddenly going to think violence is ok. I'm sure if he saw someone being murdered he wouldn't cheer the murderer on! We may be desensitized, but how bad could it really get? I doubt many people will think violence is ok after playing a video game.

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« Reply #9 - Posted 2014-05-31 03:40:45 »

It's got nice graphics and all, but the hacking part is just so unrealistic... I mean.. I don't really know what to say..  Roll Eyes
It's like Hollywood decided to make a video game.

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« Reply #10 - Posted 2014-05-31 03:48:51 »

Who cares? It's a fun mechanic. That is pretty much all that matters about it.

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« Reply #11 - Posted 2014-05-31 03:54:14 »

I wrote a college essay on Video Game Violence (from a psychological point of view). Needlessly to say, I think blaming violent video games for behavior is complete bullshit. But rather than going into the details over and over again... Wink

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Video Game Violence and Its Influence on Maladaptive Behavior

Video Game Violence and Its Influence on Maladaptive Behavior

        Video Game Violence has been a controversial topic for many years, dating back to even the most simple classic video games like Ms. Pac-Man, Centipede and Space Invaders, eventually pushing into more modern games like Grand Theft Auto V and Call of Duty: Black Ops. This investigation attempts to expand and analyze the idea that due to the historical trend of video game violence being accused of  blame for seemingly related violent events, some of the research may be faulty. The way we look at video games and how we research their tie to violence could potentially need corrected. Within this investigation we will be looking very closely at how these tests were done, analyzing if they were valid, considering the people behind these tests and the general misconceptions people may have of video games and their impact on violence. Just about anyone in most modernized counties has heard the claim before, placing the blame on a video game, music or television for the violent acts seen in their youth today. Typically these trends seem to pop up when we are referencing school shootings, gang related crime and other domestic terrorist acts done by our youth. It is too easy to quickly blame something like a violent video game for their behavior. This investigation examines the actual statistics of these violent crimes and how they are tied to video games specifically.

       Many studies have been done over the years trying to link horrific events like school shootings and domestic terrorism. What we seldom hear about is all of the investigations and research that has shown that violent crime in teens has gone down almost fifty-percent from 1996 to 2005. While this drop in violence has happened, at the same time video game sales in 1996 hit a high of about 15 million units, to a staggering 45 million units in 2005 (Ferguson 33). Many articles have been published trying to shed light on not only more non-biased statistics about video game violence, but going as far as showing how past research on the topic has been funded by groups who are looking for specific results to favor their arguments against video game, and just media violence in general. In an article by C. J. Ferguson, entitled, “The School Shooting/Violent Video Game Link: Casual Relationship or Moral Panic”, Mr. Ferguson goes into detail explaining how there is no actual causational link between video game violence and actual violent crimes in teens; he even displays statistics on how youth violence have actually dropped at sharp negative correlation with the amount of video games sold with his “moral panic wheel” and “Youth violence and video game sales data” (Ferguson 30,33). This means the more video games that have been solid statistically, the less violent crimes we’ve actually seen. Statistics like this would suggest that not only do violent video games not increase teen violence; it might actually assist in the prevention of it by giving teens a healthy outlet to release their aggressions in an ever increasing stressful world. It would appear that there is no actual proven negative causal links between video game violence and actual acts of violence in our youth. Although, there is a possibility that it may actually decrease violence, but that has yet to be proven either.

       Most teens we speak to have played violent video games in the past, and on that basis if we tried to tie violent acts to video games we would have no problem finding something the accused has played, watched or listened to that we could claim has influenced him or her. What is not addressed in most studies that are against video game violence is the vast majority of well-adjusted teenagers who are also playing those same games, and are showing no signs of any kind of maladaptive behavior. This is where the abnormality in the past research appears, usually when there is a tragic event related to teen violence and people are quick to demand answers, and it’s a lot easier to blame various media outlets like video games, music, TV and movies than it is to place the blame on the inattentive parents and other social influences who are responsible for raising them.

       The amount of research into the effects of violent video games and the lack of supporting causal links to actual acts of violence is quite large, and it seems to have many holes and gray areas, like the pen-drop test and the old-new image recognition test shows. Out of the many studies done on video game violence, there seems to be a consensus among the less biased researchers that quite simply, more study is needed and there currently is no proven link at all between playing violent video games and anti-social behavior. Most researchers delving into this topic have either come to the conclusion that past research was either not done at all and the facts were fabricated or was done under poorly regulated experiments that have many loopholes and flaws not directly addressed. During their research into trying to identify negative antisocial and violent behaviors, Dr. Porter, Guy and Vladan Starcevic have stated “Studies conducted so far have not controlled completely for confounding variables, such as genetic predisposition, socioeconomic status, violence in the home, substance abuse and psychiatric disorders” (425). This statement even further expresses the problem with the research, not only is it hard to control the basic variables like the violence itself, or the immersion required to enjoy the game, but also other variables, like their own predisposition to anti-social behavior or a potentially bad home life.

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Offline Cero
« Reply #12 - Posted 2014-05-31 05:01:41 »

In this game you also visit a bdsm club, get a slave, visit a human slave auction with real human trafficking going on, gangs that disregard human life completely... See people die multiple times in great detail.
The language they is obviously...

Its rated m for a reason. This stuff is disgusting to me, and it is definitely disturbing at the very least subconsciously for minors.

I want you all to become polite moral gentlemen.

I am not blaming any violent behavior on games. It's a media scape goat obviously.
But some things will scar minors, at least subconsciously.

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« Reply #13 - Posted 2014-05-31 05:10:18 »

Well we are all entitled to our own opinion. So Cero, I'm guessing you didn't like the game?

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« Reply #14 - Posted 2014-05-31 05:48:24 »

In this game you also visit a bdsm club, get a slave, visit a human slave auction with real human trafficking going on, gangs that disregard human life completely... See people die multiple times in great detail.
The language they is obviously...

Its rated m for a reason. This stuff is disgusting to me, and it is definitely disturbing at the very least subconsciously for minors.

I want you all to become polite moral gentlemen.

I am not blaming any violent behavior on games. It's a media scape goat obviously.
But some things will scar minors, at least subconsciously.

Maladaptive doesn't just include violence. Would I want my kids playing Grand Theft Auto 5 or Watchdogs when they're 6? probably not. But the fact they played it wont make them womanizing d-bags when they grow up. Wink

My essay focused on violent behavior because that's the hot button issue, but all the research I cited includes all maladaptive behavior patterns, not just violence. The hard truth is no matter how much people want to cram "it's society's fault" down our throat, it's 90% the parents fault if a kid turns out good or bad regardless of the media they are exposed to. I wouldn't have a problem with my kid (even 13-14) playing a game like this, because I would have already explained the difference between video games and real life.

But, we are all entitled to our opinions. But from a research standpoint there is absolutely zero evidence that these games actually have any effect what so ever on teenagers of any age. It's all a bunch of fear mongering media trying to scare parents.

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« Reply #15 - Posted 2014-05-31 13:27:25 »

There was an interesting quote some time ago:
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75% of people running amok play video games.
100% of them eat bread.
Prohibit bread!

Kinda like that...
Offline Cero
« Reply #16 - Posted 2014-05-31 14:27:04 »

It's all a bunch of fear mongering media trying to scare parents.

I agree 100% percent.

I am not talking about imitating what they see at all.
What I am saying is some books, movies, games, subject matters, events, parents yelling at each other... some things are very very hard to process for a minor and will have psychological impact. That is WHY a rating system exists.

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« Reply #17 - Posted 2014-05-31 14:29:32 »

So Cero, I'm guessing you didn't like the game?
That wasnt a game review, just a moral / theme / rating rant.
I played through the whole game, its enjoyable but not what we hoped for. its not a waste of time but its not really anything we havent played, I played all of infamous 1 and 2... I would recommend those games above this

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« Reply #18 - Posted 2014-05-31 15:43:32 »

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That said, I do think that children of this age are extremely desensitized to this kind of stuff..

Yes... Isn't that a problem in itself?

Offline saucymeatman
« Reply #19 - Posted 2014-05-31 18:13:02 »

What I am saying is some books, movies, games, subject matters, events, parents yelling at each other... some things are very very hard to process for a minor and will have psychological impact. That is WHY a rating system exists.
A negative psychological impact is not why rating systems exist.

A public perception that contraversial content has a negative psychological impact is why rating systems exist.

This is a very important distinction to make.
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« Reply #20 - Posted 2014-05-31 22:20:04 »

In this topic, I actually side with "video games" not ruining kids.

The first interaction infants have is with their parents. The people who give the infant the sense of security in food, clothing, and shelter is once again the parents. Therefore, parents are already in the winning side of this debate. When parents neglect to spend time teaching their children what is right and wrong, children gravitate toward media and friends. In my honest opinion, the issue lies with parents depending too much on social media and friends to raise their offspring. There is such a widespread of reasons for it (working 2 jobs, divorce, parents wanting to push their own agenda, etc.)

A huge chunk of this comes from my experience as a tutor, a lot of parents just don't either have the knowledge, or the patience to go through education with their children. Because of this, a lot of the kids of these parents have a very lowered self-esteem and the feeling like they can't do it. Compound that with peer pressure over the internet, social pressures to perform well outside, and lack of parental support... We have a lot of sad kids out there, at least where I'm currently located.

Honestly, hopefully, with our current generations understanding of the internet, we can actually "get involved" with our kids a bit more and help them understand the dangers of the internet and social media. Knowledge is the key to fixing this widespread problem. Parents have to take stack and inform their kids of how to use our vast amount of tools properly, as well as pay attention to their kids wants and needs.

I believe this isn't a video game issue. It is just parents not upholding their responsibilities to what they create.

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« Reply #21 - Posted 2014-06-01 17:16:47 »

I've played about 5-6 hours of it, I think that is the most I'll get out of it. Not only is the ui "in your face" and overly busy...there are mini games.

The driving is horrid.

I just think it is a perfect example of how complexity can make a game dull, I'm not saying this game is hard to play or has a learning curve. Being honest it is just another free roam GTA style shoot em up, nothing new to see besides all the unnecessary hacking.


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« Reply #22 - Posted 2014-06-01 17:41:02 »

I've played about 5-6 hours of it, I think that is the most I'll get out of it. Not only is the ui "in your face" and overly busy...there are mini games.

The driving is horrid.

I just think it is a perfect example of how complexity can make a game dull, I'm not saying this game is hard to play or has a learning curve. Being honest it is just another free roam GTA style shoot em up, nothing new to see besides all the unnecessary hacking.



Yeah, I've seen that too. That or games with such huge learning curves it's tiresome to start playing.

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Case in point, I love the concept of ANNO 2070 ( http://store.steampowered.com/app/48240/ ) but the learning curve is so steep I get bored of "learning" the game before I can even get into playing it :/

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« Reply #23 - Posted 2014-06-01 22:19:58 »

I've played about 5-6 hours of it, I think that is the most I'll get out of it. Not only is the ui "in your face" and overly busy...there are mini games.

The driving is horrid.

I just think it is a perfect example of how complexity can make a game dull, I'm not saying this game is hard to play or has a learning curve. Being honest it is just another free roam GTA style shoot em up, nothing new to see besides all the unnecessary hacking.



I don't know why everyone thinks the driving is bad. I thought it was really well made. I'll admit, it's a little unique but definitely not horrid.

I have about 34 hours clocked in on Steam right now. to put that into perspective I've had Civilization 5 for months and I've only clocked in 46 hours on that. And I really like Civ 5.  Pointing


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« Reply #24 - Posted 2014-06-02 04:27:44 »

Blaming video game lol.. ^^. We're all different, some a little too different. You know some shooters you hear about say they played violent games non stop. I often wonder, if they didn't have that release, might that have acted sooner?

Anyway, was anyone else dissapointed with the characters/story? I mean there's like 5 main characters? And you rarely see them at all during the game.

Can't help but compare to it GTA, where you go on missions with multiple characters, get driven places etc, felt like there was no interaction.

Also I think they missed out on splitting the story up. There should have been seperate missions for DedSec, Quin, your own story, w/e just to make it feel more varied.

The hacking stuff was no where near as sophisticated as they made out.
Offline Gibbo3771
« Reply #25 - Posted 2014-06-02 05:55:56 »

It looks pretty, forgot to mention that.

There is one amazing thing this game did, it made me install GTA:SA :p

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Offline StumpyStrust
« Reply #26 - Posted 2014-06-02 08:05:29 »

This is not a video games causes violence topic. It never was. However cero is right on all accounts.

When I was 11 or so I walked in when my older brother and cousin were watching one of the videos of a soldier getting decapitated with a knife. It gave me nightmares for a long time. I haven't grown up more violent but it was not very nice and I can tell you that video games today look far more "realistic" then the pixelated video I watched.

There is a line that shouldn't be cross in any form of "expression". When you are getting into borderline snuff films it needs to stop. Its one thing running around blowing away people with gun and another to go into a child prostitute simulator. I want entertainment from games not porn or extremely detailed violence.

Be very mindful of what you become desensitized to or one day you will wake up watching a person getting beaten to death and realize that you are taking a video instead of helping.

Sorry for being a bit short but this is something that is very serious.

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« Reply #27 - Posted 2014-06-02 17:45:19 »

I remember watching my brother play Max Payne when I was 9 or 10. The bits where his family was murdered, including his baby, and the scene in which he was dreaming or hallucinating and you had to follow the trails of blood towards a cot with the dead baby screaming. I was so aware it was just a game and had no reality to it, since it could never compare to the real situation, I honestly believe it had no effect whatsoever.


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« Reply #28 - Posted 2014-06-02 18:03:07 »

I was so aware it was just a game and had no reality to it, since it could never compare to the real situation

People, adults, getting scared, disgusted, disturbed my movies. Some imagery can be hard to process and triggered things like nightmares or even awake nightmares like I have experienced when I was like 9 and watched those kinds of movies.
All influences: events, what people say and do, things like movies - they all have to be processed and they ALL change you; the only question is how much and if its bad.

Common scenario: Person X is afraid or doesnt like a certain type of animal, because that animal was featured in a show and did (to a kid) scary things, so even today that person just doesnt like that animal. Is that really bad ? No. But everything we see changes us, and the younger we are the more it changes us and the harder it is to comprehend and process.

In watch dogs you see some one beating a person to death with a suitcase, as the edges of the suitcase ram into his head, get read, the body twitches and bleeds out on the concrete. Something that makes and adult queasy.

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« Reply #29 - Posted 2014-06-02 19:07:46 »

I was so aware it was just a game and had no reality to it, since it could never compare to the real situation, I honestly believe it had no effect whatsoever.

Sometimes I think the fact that a movie is not interactive might have more of an impact to viewers than an interactive video game. Perhaps the fact that something is obviously computer generated interactive content, controlled by a piece of plastic takes something away from the potential that one (especially a minor) perceives something as being real.
Maybe it would have made more of an impact if that Max Payne sequence was a movie with real actors?

But it's all a grey area.
Some people are affected by certain things, others aren't. I don't think there's anything you can do about that, and I don't think video games are somehow more hurtful there than other media like movies or books.
When people start getting out of control, making some form of media the culprit is like killing the messenger. The real reasons behind such things lie much deeper than that.

We've probably all been traumatized to some degree when we grow up and learn about the dark side of life through movies, books, videogames or otherwise. Usually that's not a bad thing.

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