theagentd
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2011-10-05 21:30:28 » |
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There is no god.
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counterp
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2011-10-05 22:04:25 » |
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would it be bad to say good riddance?  |
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theagentd
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2011-10-05 22:25:38 » |
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Uh, yes?
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Games published by our own members! Go get 'em! 
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counterp
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2011-10-05 22:26:58 » |
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it's true he contributed some great things to the world of technology (which I figure would've been added along later anyways, like GUI), but as a java programmer, apple sux.
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theagentd
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2011-10-05 22:45:43 » |
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I don't like Apple either. I think their selling strategy for iPhones is ridiculous and just tries to pump out money in an even worse way than DLC content for games. Still I don't enjoy people dying. >_>
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Z-Man
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2011-10-05 22:57:29 » |
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would it be bad to say good riddance? Not that Apple will change it's way now that Steve is dead. I suppose you could argue he set it in motion. |
"Anything that can possibly go wrong, does."
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sproingie
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2011-10-05 23:31:25 » |
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Aaaaand this is why posting threads of this news to discussion boards is not a good idea.
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ra4king
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2011-10-06 01:48:57 » |
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I don't like celebrating good people's deaths but I also agree that the world is now a better place. Too bad Apple is still here though  |
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Chromanoid
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2011-10-06 03:25:48 » |
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"Apple has lost a visionary and creative genius, and the world has lost an amazing human being."
This.
Your malice scares me.
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OverKill
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Java games rock!
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2011-10-06 03:34:55 » |
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One should be careful with overloading him with praise, he was forced to leave Apple once because he was ruining it.
Plus, when M$ had relieved the first tablet pc back in 2k, it was a Mr Steve Jobs that said something along the lines of 'who need that?'
Anyway, I have no feelings personally about Jobs or Apple. They are a company just like many others, even more so today. The whole 'counter-M$' died a long time ago.
People are born and die, but the world still keeps on turning.
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Games published by our own members! Go get 'em! 
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Roquen
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2011-10-06 03:43:46 » |
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Ouch! You mean kids, you! Apples hasn't interested me for many many years, but I've always had a ton of respect for Jobs. Apple I & II? Computation for Joe & Jane average..which helps us dorks by driving down prices. Of course the dorks pretty much bought Apple IIs as well. I'll admit that the kits of the time were too dorky even for me (aka well beyond my skills). Speaking of dorks..Jobs was great at not being a dork which helped the public image of computing..good thing. Ripping off GUI & mouse from PARC..great. Bringing design to computing devices = great. Seriously. I'm still amazed by just how cool looking my NeXT box was (and the software was awesome for the day...if fact some of it's still superior to stuff available today). Pixar? Doesn't matter if you like the movies or not...they've come up with some great tech. Not that Apple will change it's way now that Steve is dead. I suppose you could argue he set it in motion.
Maybe yes, maybe no. Every other time that someone else has headed-up Apple it's been sort like watching a whale beach itself. Yeah it's still alive, but death is coming. Regardless of what you may think about the companies that Jobs created and their products, it's hard to deny that the man had massive skill at making stuff that people want to buy them. People are born and die, but the world still keeps on turning.
This is true, BUT: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind
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Chromanoid
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2011-10-06 03:50:30 » |
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To cite Steve Jobs: "No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don't want to die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it. And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life's change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true."I admire his intelligence, creativity and business sense. I do not like Apple and its way of selling technology. Jobs was a successful business ikon who brought technology to the masses. He invested into companies like Pixar and said things like "My model for business is The Beatles: They were four guys that kept each other's negative tendencies in check; they balanced each other. And the total was greater than the sum of the parts. Great things in business are not done by one person, they are done by a team of people."Also see http://java.dzone.com/articles/rip-steve-jobs |
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nsigma
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2011-10-06 05:01:36 » |
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author= Chromanoid Steve Jobs "My model for business is The Beatles:
ROFL  - maybe this was an early clue that litigation was the new business modelMuch as I hate Apple, I'm sad to see him go - far too young, and a worthy competitor who forced other tech companies to get their shit together (slowly)! |
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R.D.
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2011-10-06 05:09:01 » |
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I don't like Apple's way of handling things too but it's stupid to celebrate a man's death. I don't like Micheal Jackson either but you will never see me celebrating it... It's always sad to see people who achieved so much are dying.
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ChrisM
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2011-10-06 12:16:59 » |
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One should be careful with overloading him with praise, he was forced to leave Apple once because he was ruining it. No, it's because the new management did not understand Jobs or his method. Don't believe everything in the Pirates of Silicon Valley movie... Plus, when M$ had relieved the first tablet pc back in 2k, it was a Mr Steve Jobs that said something along the lines of 'who need that?' Except that he was correct. MS's tablet PC efforts were horrendous and still are. I had the good fortune of sitting a meeting with Jobs and meeting him when I was starting my career at Sun. As narcissistic as he was, there was an elegance to Steve Jobs and the way he thought about technology. Sentiments that I always aligned with, he reinforced. Specifically, I have always felt that technology, including Java, is not what's important. It's what we do with it that matters. I voiced this sentiment on stage at the last "real" JavaOne (2009) conference in one of the general session closings to great applause because it's true. Steve was not the entirety of Apple, but he was Apple's guiding hand. Here is to a visionary that saw the world differently. He will be missed. |
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ReBirth
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2011-10-06 13:15:30 » |
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R.I.P
what ever apple's mistake, it's not all his fault alone.
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ChrisM
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2011-10-06 13:57:31 » |
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R.I.P
what ever apple's mistake, it's not all his fault alone.
What mistake? Building products that meet the most demand by the broadest segment of the marketplace AND becoming the most valuable technology company on the planet? Wish I could make the same mistakes all day long. Here is to Steve Jobs saving us from a world of beige boxes and helping technology to meet form AND function! He was a clever and respectable chap, and I admire him for what he did and how he went about it. Even if he was the enemy. Cas  Awww, come on. Not the enemy, just did things his own way. I remember discussions around Java, from Jobs directly, that were communicated to me while at Sun that we could not discuss externally. As much as it was a pain to work on Java with the Mac, I never saw it as an enemy move, just someone who had a clear vision of where he wanted to go. I may not have always agreed with his decisions, but I respected them. |
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Cero
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2011-10-06 14:15:57 » |
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All the kids talking shit about dead people here...
Listen to your elders, in this case Chris.
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princec
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2011-10-06 14:44:43 » |
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He was a clever and respectable chap, and I admire him for what he did and how he went about it. Even if he was the enemy. Cas |
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appel
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2011-10-06 18:30:34 » |
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I wonder how the world would look if Steve Jobs and Apple never existed. Microsoft would still be selling MS-DOS (version 30), IBM would still be producing their huge clunky base colored PC machines (floppy drives anyone?), and Sony Walkman casette-edition would still be the only means of mobile on-your-person music. And frankly, discussions like these would be all that less interesting. Steve Jobs RIP You changed everyone, and many don't even know it. |
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sproingie
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2011-10-06 19:13:44 » |
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Apple didn't invent the MP3 player. Heck, the original iPod was lower-spec than the existing Creative Nomad.
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princec
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2011-10-06 19:33:50 » |
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Apple made things that were cool that people wanted. They managed to sneak a lot of restriction in there while they were at it, and somehow cunningly convince their customers they were being smarter and more free-thinking by choosing Apple products. Genius. Cas |
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ChrisM
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2011-10-06 20:11:59 » |
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Apple didn't invent the MP3 player. Correct. Heck, the original iPod was lower-spec than the existing Creative Nomad. Incorrect. The iPod had better battery life, faster interconnect, higher bitrate (topped out at 128kbps vs. 160kbps). Apple made things that were cool that people wanted. They managed to sneak a lot of restriction in there while they were at it, and somehow cunningly convince their customers they were being smarter and more free-thinking by choosing Apple products. Genius. Cas Cheeky. What Apple gave consumers is just enough choice that the rest didn't matter. |
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princec
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2011-10-06 20:15:44 » |
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Indeed, the great unwashed were/are blissfully unaware. In a cruel twist of irony, you're unable to run my sprite test on your iPhone aren't you? I wonder why that might be  (And that really is ironic considering who you are, hehe) Cas |
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ChrisM
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2011-10-06 20:18:14 » |
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Indeed, the great unwashed were/are blissfully unaware. In a cruel twist of irony, you're unable to run my sprite test on your iPhone aren't you? I wonder why that might be (And that really is ironic considering who you are, hehe) Cas I'm saying that I didn't want Java on the iOS platform, just saying that I understand why Steve didn't. |
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princec
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2011-10-06 20:31:56 » |
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I still can't quite follow his reasoning for it (not to mention the Flash debacle too). There were noises about the security of running JITted code - unfounded obviously as the JS engine in iOS is such a beast - and something about crappy performance - which we all know isn't true - and something about substandard applications all being written in Java - hmm. It was all a bit suspicious. Cas |
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m77
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a ha ha
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2011-10-06 20:38:11 » |
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i never liked him
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ChrisM
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2011-10-06 20:43:07 » |
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I still can't quite follow his reasoning for it (not to mention the Flash debacle too). There were noises about the security of running JITted code - unfounded obviously as the JS engine in iOS is such a beast - and something about crappy performance - which we all know isn't true - and something about substandard applications all being written in Java - hmm. It was all a bit suspicious. Cas Without saying more than I could, we all know it was not a technical reason As for not wanting Flash on the platform, I couldn't agree with him MORE. It is STILL the only application that consistently spins the fan on my laptop up. i never liked him
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m77
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a ha ha
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2011-10-06 20:56:25 » |
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i do not appreciate his achievements
actually i don't know any
not sure the world would be any worse without Apple
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princec
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2011-10-06 21:44:01 » |
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Aww, that's still unfair on Flash. It's not inherently going to be any worse than HTML5/Canvas/JS is it? It's just relied on software rendering for years to make sure it works properly everywhere. Cas |
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