Eli Delventhal
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Reply #60 on:
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Hm, Gates dominated the consumer software industry for 20 years. Apple only really had a proper resurgence in the last 4 or so. And even then they still only have about 5% of the desktop market compared to the 94% of Windows desktops out there. Anyway - all that money everyone thought was being ripped off from them - the "Microsoft Tax" etc. etc. - it's pretty much all gone to charity. That is quite amazing. Cas  You're right, Microsoft has more percentage and Apple only recently has been huge. But if you look at stocks, AAPL is worth $371 billion, $226 billion, and $175 billion. Apple is the most successful and valuable technology company in the world. So that's reason to hate them and Steve Jobs. As for your view of Gates... it seems like you're semi-blinded. Bill Gates was one of the main causes of software in general costing money (his work at MITS), and has repeatedly made detrimental anti-piracy attempts in Windows. He also obviously has ripped off a lot of ideas from other companies, but that's not so much of a big deal. As you say, he has created a massive charity, but if I were worth $100 billion and I made a charity worth $1 billion, would I really be that awesome? Anyway, both Gates and Jobs are douches. And both were incredibly important and impacting members of the software/computer community. |
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pitbuller
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As you say, he has created a massive charity, but if I were worth $100 billion and I made a charity worth $1 billion, would I really be that awesome?
But in fact he have and will be giving most of the money to charity. Not just small portion but almoust all. But most important is that that money is better focused than average charity. |
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Eli Delventhal
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As you say, he has created a massive charity, but if I were worth $100 billion and I made a charity worth $1 billion, would I really be that awesome?
But in fact he have and will be giving most of the money to charity. Not just small portion but almoust all. But most important is that that money is better focused than average charity. $30 billion is pretty incredible, yes. But it's half of $60 billion... he's still got 3 million times as much money in the bank as I do. He's doing exactly what Carnegie and Rockefeller did: donate a bunch of money you don't really need and your name will be remembered as an awesome person, not a douchebag. It appears to be working. Now all that being said, I would much rather have them donate all their money to selfishly increase their public image than not donate at all... but it's a simple fact that to amass that much wealth you must f**k lots of people. Best to remember that while they are making their donations. |
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theagentd
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2011-10-11 21:23:10 » |
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As you say, he has created a massive charity, but if I were worth $100 billion and I made a charity worth $1 billion, would I really be that awesome?
But in fact he have and will be giving most of the money to charity. Not just small portion but almoust all. But most important is that that money is better focused than average charity. $30 billion is pretty incredible, yes. But it's half of $60 billion... he's still got 3 million times as much money in the bank as I do. He's doing exactly what Carnegie and Rockefeller did: donate a bunch of money you don't really need and your name will be remembered as an awesome person, not a douchebag. It appears to be working. Now all that being said, I would much rather have them donate all their money to selfishly increase their public image than not donate at all... but it's a simple fact that to amass that much wealth you must f**k lots of people. Best to remember that while they are making their donations. "Wow. That guy is giving away money he don't need. What a douche!" Why are you complaining? It could be worse... |
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kaffiene
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Reply #64 on:
2011-10-11 21:24:32 » |
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Can we all just stop with the righteous posturing please?
No-one is forcing you to read the thread. If you don't like it, read something else. |
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sproingie
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Reply #65 on:
2011-10-11 21:27:02 » |
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Ah I see, thread reserved for self-righteous douchebaggery then. Check.
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Eli Delventhal
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2011-10-11 21:29:00 » |
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Now all that being said, I would much rather have them donate all their money to selfishly increase their public image than not donate at all... but it's a simple fact that to amass that much wealth you must f**k lots of people. Best to remember that while they are making their donations.
"Wow. That guy is giving away money he don't need. What a douche!"
Why are you complaining? It could be worse...
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kaffiene
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2011-10-11 21:31:56 » |
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Bill Gates is awesome. I admire everything he's done, and the man himself for actually being a fantastic bloke. I expect there are enough people here who lived through the (actually very few) years of Microsoft's total dominance of the desktop in the 90s though and decide to hate him personally just for that. But there you go. We got where we are today because of these people. Cas My issues with Gates would be around how he crushed competitors through illegal means (stealing their work like Stacker or making their software work poorly on Windows - like Lotus 1-2-3) But, despite that I have to give credit for his charitable works since. Yeah, the guy certainly was an asshole but he clearly has given a lot back to the world after having screwed part of it over. |
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kaffiene
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Ah I see, thread reserved for self-righteous douchebaggery then. Check.
Wait, weren't you the one using the term "righteous posturing"? Hypocrisy check, isle 3! |
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sproingie
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Reply #69 on:
2011-10-11 21:36:06 » |
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Okay you, uh, "win". Enjoy it.
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Eli Delventhal
« League of Dukes » JGO Kernel Posts: 3575 Medals: 44
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2011-10-11 21:36:48 » |
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Bill Gates is awesome. I admire everything he's done, and the man himself for actually being a fantastic bloke. I expect there are enough people here who lived through the (actually very few) years of Microsoft's total dominance of the desktop in the 90s though and decide to hate him personally just for that. But there you go. We got where we are today because of these people. Cas My issues with Gates would be around how he crushed competitors through illegal means (stealing their work like Stacker or making their software work poorly on Windows - like Lotus 1-2-3) But, despite that I have to give credit for his charitable works since. Yeah, the guy certainly was an asshole but he clearly has given a lot back to the world after having screwed part of it over. Yes. That's all I'm saying. He is by no means a "fantastic bloke." He was a ruthless douchebag. Maybe age has softened him up, maybe he wants his image to be better, maybe he feels sorry for overtly poor kids but not for the kids of his competitors, I don't know. But the man's morals and seriously questionable. |
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Eli Delventhal
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Reply #71 on:
2011-10-11 21:38:05 » |
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Not to give myself the last work, but I am locking this thread because it has gotten insane. Feel free to PM me if you think that should be changed. Thanks.
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Riven
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Hand over your head.
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Reply #72 on:
2011-10-12 10:18:50 » |
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Not to undermine your authority as a mod, but I do not believe in locking a discussion for the level of insanity. Posts can be moderated if they offend, for which we have new tools now to moderate those individual posts.
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Roquen
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2011-10-12 10:29:29 » |
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Yea! Down with censorship! And by the way, stop cheating kids! The dude is still kicking. And let me point out the really important question that we've all been missing these last few posts. What exactly is the difference between a hipster and a beatnik?
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CommanderKeith
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Reply #74 on:
2011-10-12 11:09:34 » |
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Bill Gates is awesome. I admire everything he's done, and the man himself for actually being a fantastic bloke. I expect there are enough people here who lived through the (actually very few) years of Microsoft's total dominance of the desktop in the 90s though and decide to hate him personally just for that. But there you go. We got where we are today because of these people. Cas My issues with Gates would be around how he crushed competitors through illegal means (stealing their work like Stacker or making their software work poorly on Windows - like Lotus 1-2-3) But, despite that I have to give credit for his charitable works since. Yeah, the guy certainly was an asshole but he clearly has given a lot back to the world after having screwed part of it over. In today's democratic free market it's not Gates' responsibility to run a conscientious caring company that refrains from maximising profit. That is ludicrous. Gates and M$ operated within the rules of the game and beat everyone else, at least in the 90's. It is up to the government to regulate natural monopolies like power grids, water pipes and also operating systems. Eventually the government did step in, but it was too late. Gates is very generous to donate all of that money. That's an interesting comparison with rockefeller and carnegie. Without knowing too much, I think Gates contribution was less public and image based. There is no building named after him, and he donated with Warren Buffet so the glory is shared. Btw this thread is the funniest and most insane thing I've seen this week. |
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princec
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Eh? Who? What? ... Me?
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2011-10-12 11:18:40 » |
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Actually doing it illegally was precisely what Microsoft did  but I suspect that was Ballmer not Gates who set that up. Cas |
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theagentd
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Reply #76 on:
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Btw this thread is the funniest and most insane thing I've seen this week.
I feel guilty for starting it, but as long as I don't have any responsibility for what you guys do here, go on and be insane! |
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Eli Delventhal
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Reply #77 on:
2011-10-12 13:48:02 » |
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Not to undermine your authority as a mod, but I do not believe in locking a discussion for the level of insanity. Posts can be moderated if they offend, for which we have new tools now to moderate those individual posts.
Fair enough. I closed it because it seemed to have gone far beyond coherent or constructive discussion. When more or less every post (including mine) is bordering on an offensive post, it seems to me the discussion is done. |
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Cero
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Reply #78 on:
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Not to undermine your authority as a mod, but I do not believe in locking a discussion for the level of insanity. Posts can be moderated if they offend, for which we have new tools now to moderate those individual posts.
Fair enough. I closed it because it seemed to have gone far beyond coherent or constructive discussion. When more or less every post (including mine) is bordering on an offensive post, it seems to me the discussion is done. Well I guess this is what happens when people die and there are emotions =P |
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ChrisM
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END OF LINE.
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Reply #79 on:
2011-10-12 21:35:17 » |
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Bill Gates is awesome. I admire everything he's done, and the man himself for actually being a fantastic bloke. I expect there are enough people here who lived through the (actually very few) years of Microsoft's total dominance of the desktop in the 90s though and decide to hate him personally just for that. But there you go. We got where we are today because of these people. Cas My issues with Gates would be around how he crushed competitors through illegal means (stealing their work like Stacker or making their software work poorly on Windows - like Lotus 1-2-3) But, despite that I have to give credit for his charitable works since. Yeah, the guy certainly was an asshole but he clearly has given a lot back to the world after having screwed part of it over. In today's democratic free market it's not Gates' responsibility to run a conscientious caring company that refrains from maximising profit. That is ludicrous. Gates and M$ operated within the rules of the game and beat everyone else, at least in the 90's. It is up to the government to regulate natural monopolies like power grids, water pipes and also operating systems. Eventually the government did step in, but it was too late. Gates is very generous to donate all of that money. That's an interesting comparison with rockefeller and carnegie. Without knowing too much, I think Gates contribution was less public and image based. There is no building named after him, and he donated with Warren Buffet so the glory is shared. Btw this thread is the funniest and most insane thing I've seen this week. Not so fast sparky. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Gates_BuildingAlso, if it were not for Melinda, there would be no charitable foundation. |
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CommanderKeith
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2011-10-13 11:50:42 » |
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I stand embarrassingly corrected  Well sounds like bill gates has thoroughly diversified his immortality by naming lots of small buildings after himself. For that he's clever, but vain too. It's still amazing that he gave away such a fortune. |
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Accumulated wealth must be more important as a symbol than for its day-to-day practical value, once you reach a certain level. But who's to say altruistic goals didn't motivate the accumulation? It is certainly to Gates credit that he now gets more out of making his wealth available to the charities of his choice than to hoarding it.
But I wouldn't have objected if he instead had chosen to squeeze developers a little less and had a bit less to distribute to his charities. Selfish me!
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ChrisM
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END OF LINE.
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2011-10-13 22:12:58 » |
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Accumulated wealth must be more important as a symbol than for its day-to-day practical value, once you reach a certain level. But who's to say altruistic goals didn't motivate the accumulation? It is certainly to Gates credit that he now gets more out of making his wealth available to the charities of his choice than to hoarding it. A lack of evidence. But I wouldn't have objected if he instead had chosen to squeeze developers a little less and had a bit less to distribute to his charities. Selfish me!
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OverKill
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Reply #83 on:
2011-10-14 03:43:28 » |
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Though one should be aware that 'charities' are different everywhere. IIRC you can set up a charitiy in the US that you donate into and where you control the money. And it is even possible to pull money back out of them. This link has some interesting contents. Also Wikipedia mentions a few things. |
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Roquen
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Reply #84 on:
2011-10-14 04:50:56 » |
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NEWS FLASH: Even by Jobs dying fails at one-uping Rival Gates. Story at 11.
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theagentd
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NEWS FLASH: Even by Jobs dying fails at one-uping Rival Gates. Story at 11.
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theagentd
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Mind = blown.
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R.D.
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It's like these books about clean code who teach you how to write clean code (I'm imature so I always laugh when saying it  ) but fail to even write clean code (best part: how to cut a 12 line method into 6 methods, quote: "THIS is clean, even if you don't need the submethods"  ). I'm always getting confused by stuff like that, software engineering also confuese me sometimes in this way |
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