Whats common for pc games to expect for input nowadays? Recently i've only really been playing FPS or RTS games on my pc, both of which are pretty much refined their controls to keyboard+mouse as their exclusive and best method (and one of the reasons why there's few good examples of these on consoles).

In contrast, a lot of the games i've been playing on my 'Cube are more arcade-y and action based, Zelda, Ikaruga, Monkey Ball most notably. These are fast action games that are usually suited best to a joypad(and in the case of Monkey ball, an analoge joystick is a must).

But where does that leave pc action games? If i'm to start on one now, should i aim for joypad support as standard and keyboard as a backup? Or assume keyboard with joypad as an optional extra? The main problem seems to be with analoge controls - anyone whos held the 'Cube joypad will know how well designed it is, and how responsive the joysticks are (and to a lesser extent, the xbox and DC controllers). A game designed to take advantage of these just doesn't translate over very well to keyboard input

Are joypads widespread enough on pcs to be considered 'standard' yet? What about the split between analoge and digital?

I have an old gravis gamepad, but i don't use it very often. a few years ago joysticks were quite common, i played a lot of games that needed them (x-wing, etc...), but today only a small percentage of gamers own one.

but if you prefer playing with a gamepad or joystick, just add it

PC == Mouse/Kbd

There has to be a reason that MS stops producing joysticks/pads/wheels.

Keyboard and Mouse are pretty much requirements for PC gaming. Even if you may them to something else, people will still try to use they keyboard and mouse

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 Most games seem to have them all configured at the same time, ie, mouse/keybard, and joystick/gamepad (dpending on what makes sence), and then provide the option to remap axis/buttons. It's something i've looked at before for the game(s) i've started writing. I'm thinking about mouse/keybaord as a default and then if it can find one, mapping default joystick axis and buttons, again it will all be configurable though.

HTH

Endolf

Great till you got a slightly old joystick, maybe on the game port, that doesn't calibrate properly , I think it was elite (more likely frontier) on the PC that wouldn't let you disable the joystick, so once it found it, I couldn't fly streight using the mouse, so every time I played it I had to unplug the sod, detect it, but let the user override it if they want

At the end of the day the end user knows how *they* want to play.

Endolf

Joypads are definatly still the minority when it comes to pcs it seems then Looks like i'll be adding keyboard control as a backup, and time to go delving into JInput to try and get some sort of keyboard/joypad swappable-ness..

Thats a great idea for them - Mutant Storm really does play sooo much better with my GameCube pad than compared to keyboard (not as much fun as Space Tripper, but we'll let that slide). But will the same be true for Alien Flux?