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« on: 2004-04-30 13:34:19 »
After much deliberation, and a sound dose of "stoopid-b-gon" I have decided to scale back my 3D MMorpg to a 2D rts game with (Thanks for the idea Cas) one whole unit type. And one terrain type. non-networked. My brother is a CGA major at the local Art University. He is going to do some blazingly awesome grass tile squares for the terrain.

It's gonna be the next big thing.

Here is my dev schedule: think about it(3 weeks time allocated), plan it(7 weeks time scheduled), start coding it(2 hours), Scale it back again to a 2d side view non-scrolling game. Like commander keen, but suckier. (3 hours scheduled)

Now my real quandary is when I realize that the side-scroll game is too complex for my awesome programming capabilities, what can I do to scale it back?
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« Reply #1 on: 2004-04-30 16:39:22 »
Umm,  tetris?
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« Reply #2 on: 2004-04-30 17:54:28 »
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Umm,  tetris?



Still too much perhaps..maybe do Tetris with only one piece....and that piece can't rotate or move, just fall.
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« Reply #3 on: 2004-04-30 18:50:52 »
Have you any idea how complicated Gravity is! Shocked

Hell, even Einstein got it wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: 2004-05-05 10:24:21 »
I was thinking more like "Jump Joe", but Joe wouldn't be able to jump, and there would only be one storey buildings.

Anyone here ever play Jumpjoe on a 386 with turbo turned on?

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« Reply #5 on: 2004-05-06 00:25:05 »
From a 3D MMORPG to Jumpjoe, well done Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: 2004-05-06 00:51:58 »
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Have you any idea how complicated Gravity is! Shocked

Hell, even Einstein got it wrong.


Haha. Well, actually humanity hasn't figured out yet how gravity works Smiley

Just ~one year ago scientists found out that it spreads with the speed of light. However, no one knows how it works (for real). There are alot of different theories and I like the pressure theorie most (so far). When you are diving it feels like you are pulled towards the surface, but infact you are pushed. And if you are pulling something you are actually pushing it. Eg if you pull a door, you are actually pushing against the inner side of the handle.

So pulling and pushing is the same thing, just because it's towards yourself it has a different word. If you think about it - there isn't any pulling at all. A vaccum cleaner doesnt pull anything towards it - it's the pressure of the athmosphere pushing air/dust into it.

Therefore it's only logical to asume that gravity isn't a pulling thing, too. The pressure theory says that there are tiny thingys, wich are much smaller than nucleus. Traveling across everywere and whenever they hit a nucleus they push it abit. A huge s-load of atoms (like the earth) blocks those thingys alot (from the center of mass) thus we get pushed much more from the opposite direction.

Makes perfect sense, doesn't it? Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: 2004-05-06 03:21:17 »
Interesting :p

btw, I thought it was obvious gravitys effect travelled @ the speed of light, if it was instantanious, FTL communication would be possible!
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« Reply #8 on: 2004-05-06 03:31:46 »
These tiny things must be able to travel through some atoms, eg, some get through the earth, otherwise the density of an object would be irrelivant. The more dense it is, the more the object stops, and the less push from that side things get, otherwise small dense objects would have the same 'gravity' as large non dense objects. I wonder wether these iny things are the other 23% of the universe, currently know as dark matter? Smiley Either that, or it's the dark energy (70% Smiley), there was a story on some website (space.com maybe) that said that underground detectors had detected something that had come through the earth, so maybe thats these tiny things (we ought to find a name for them Smiley)

are we OT enough now? Smiley

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« Reply #9 on: 2004-05-06 03:56:15 »
So, this pressure theory thing - if I've got it right, you'r saying the universe is filled with an almost infinite number of these particles travelling in all directions, randomly distributed.
These particles can, and do, collide with matter.
We perceive this as gravitational pressure, which due to matter shielding other matter from collisions, causes objects to be attracted toward 1 another.

Are the particles absorbed by the matter, or do they rebound?
I would assume the former, since the energy created by gravity has to come from somewhere.

You know... if we could build a device which emmited these particles, we would have an anti-gravity generator :p

I wonder how pressure theories work when applied to anomolies like black holes.
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« Reply #10 on: 2004-05-06 04:48:06 »
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Are the particles absorbed by the matter, or do they rebound?
I would assume the former, since the energy created by gravity has to come from somewhere.


Energy isn't created or destroyed, it's passed on, like snooker balls, if I hit a snooker ball with lots of sand particles, the sand isn't absorbed, but the snooker ball still feels a force, it's an elastic collision I assume.
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« Reply #11 on: 2004-05-06 04:57:26 »
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Energy isn't created or destroyed, it's passed on, like snooker balls, if I hit a snooker ball with lots of sand particles, the sand isn't absorbed, but the snooker ball still feels a force, it's an elastic collision I assume.


I was thinking these 'particles' were infact energy quanta, probably better thought of as waves.
Are you saying they are matter?
/me isn't particularly upto speed on quantom physics.
Having said that, i've always thought matter and energy were the same thing, they only appear to be different due to the enormous difference in scale. Micro Vs Macro.
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« Reply #12 on: 2004-05-06 10:09:28 »
This push particle thing sounds a bit like the aether to me...

I read a couple of articles about a year ago on discover.com or scientifc american.com about:  Gravity seems to increase when you get far away from an object.  The proof is the Voyager spacecraft that left the solar system.  They've slowed down ALOT more than they should have.  I'll see if I can find a link....

No luck.  :-/
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« Reply #13 on: 2004-05-07 11:29:31 »
Wow. From 3d mmorpg, to jumpjoe, to quantum physics.

I got chills up and down my spine when I realized i started it all.

(BTW, the game got scaled back to a NWN module. Yeah, I suck.)

(But maybe I will actually finish something)

(Nah....I still have to finish the kiddie prisio....er, fence I mean. I need to finish the fence.)

Hey, also, there is no such thing as "pure space". Even vaccum is merely the absence of atmosphere, not the absence of everything.

And, e=mc^2 means matter is energy, and viceversa. So if at any given point you can see starlight, then energy(light is a form of energy) is passing through that point, and thus that single point in space is filled with matter.

You can read all of this in my book "Dr. J Lectures on Quantum Physics". Really. And if you believe that, send me $50 and i will send you "Jared's Keen Gamemaker", it is a voice activated 3D MMMORPG creator that will run up to 5 million concurrent users in an infinitely expandable game world with movie-like graphics. All you have to do is install it and then tell it what you want it to do for you.

I will ship the software to you as soon as I have 50,000 orders. I promise. No personal checks, just money orders accepted. Please wait 6-8 years for shipping once the order has been received.
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« Reply #14 on: 2004-05-07 12:06:31 »
>we ought to find a name for them

They already have several names. Unfortunately I just can't remember the most popular one (wich was previously used to explain several quantum effects - it was also used in star treck in a total different context Roll Eyes)

Well, those thingies aren't matter - they are much smaller than atoms therefore they just aren't matter by definition.

>This push particle thing sounds a bit like the aether to me...

Hmyea that's just another theory. There is also the ultra weird belt theory, wich doesn't make any sense at all (for me at least). IIRC there are about 6-7 popular theories right now and the pressure theory just happens to make most sense (for me again).
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« Reply #15 on: 2004-05-08 17:05:36 »
I had heard the theories that gravity was a particle (usually called a Graviton).  Pressure theory is a new on on me though.  

The Dark Energy idea, from what I understand it, is that there is a force that is like anti-gravity, pushing all bodies apart rather than pushing them together.  

I like the idea that space-time curvature causes gravity (and all waves, I think that's how the theory goes) but I believe particle theories are more popular now.
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« Reply #16 on: 2004-05-08 17:24:45 »
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I had heard the theories that gravity was a particle (usually called a Graviton).  Pressure theory is a new on on me though.  

Indeedy. Hasn't the weak and strong nuclear reactions been traced back to a similar pair of elementary particles?
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« Reply #17 on: 2004-05-08 21:58:23 »
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The Dark Energy idea, from what I understand it, is that there is a force that is like anti-gravity, pushing all bodies apart rather than pushing them together.  


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You know... if we could build a device which emmited these particles, we would have an anti-gravity generator :p


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Indeedy. Hasn't the weak and strong nuclear reactions been traced back to a similar pair of elementary particles?


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sounds a bit like the aether


LOL awe, who're we trying to kid?  We should just stick to programming...
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« Reply #18 on: 2004-05-10 13:42:06 »
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« Reply #19 on: 2004-05-12 23:51:06 »
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Still too much perhaps..maybe do Tetris with only one piece....and that piece can't rotate or move, just fall.


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« Reply #20 on: 2004-05-13 07:18:06 »
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Don't joke about this for there is an actual 1-D Tetris in existence. Behold the toughest game made to date!

http://zigah.rs-pi.com/tetris/


At least he finished the game :-)  And judging by the number of high scores, its kinda popular.  Hm...game with no gameplay and 10 minute develop time  == most popular game ever? That guy might actually be on to something Wink
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« Reply #21 on: 2004-05-13 08:59:40 »
I could make millions!
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« Reply #22 on: 2004-05-15 03:54:54 »
LOL.
Finally, I can play tetris and take a nap at the same time.

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