cylab
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btw the trailers is really cool & nicely done. You should get on to gametrailers, just email it to "trailers at gametrailers dot com"  Didn't find it there. Wasn't it accepted or didn't you submit the trailer? Wouldn't pass this one, because everyone and my mother watches gametrailers.com. The 1.5 release could be a nice opportunity to show off with a brand new trailer...  |
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princec
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Reply #181 on:
2010-08-16 10:11:09 » |
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Ah no we haven't gotten on to gametrailers yet. Maybe it's time. Or maybe we'll wait until the Sell button is in as that'll affect the screenshots rather a lot. Cas |
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princec
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Reply #182 on:
2010-08-16 10:20:40 » |
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Well, I sent a link to the old trailer, let's see if it appears... sales are seriously flagging again unfortunately (about 10x less than we need to just survive - which is an embuggerance) Cas |
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Eli Delventhal
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Reply #183 on:
2010-08-16 11:29:26 » |
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Well, I sent a link to the old trailer, let's see if it appears... sales are seriously flagging again unfortunately (about 10x less than we need to just survive - which is an embuggerance) Cas sales.setFlag(sales | 0x11111111111111); |
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Riven
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2010-08-16 14:05:24 » |
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sales.setFlag(sales | 0x11111111111111);
 <PITA> 'sales' is an instance and an int! You realize that that would be "10001000100010001000100010001000100010001000100010001" in bits? </PITA> |
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Eli Delventhal
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Reply #185 on:
2010-08-16 14:15:41 » |
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<PITA> 'sales' is an instance and an int! You realize that that would be "10001000100010001000100010001000100010001000100010001" in bits? </PITA>  Yes. Don't you know about magic object / integer / funny or-ing? Clearly not. Lamer. 'twas a joke - the word "flagging" for the sales made me think of flag setting, and I didn't want to spend longer than 8 seconds typing . |
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princec
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Reply #186 on:
2010-08-16 14:29:58 » |
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Sadly it's more like sales = new Integer(2); C'mon everyone! Spread the werd!Cas |
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cylab
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Reply #187 on:
2010-08-16 15:12:35 » |
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Sadly it's more like sales = new Integer(2);
Oh my god, so I own a rare collectors item Edit: do I know the other one??? |
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princec
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Reply #188 on:
2010-08-16 15:13:58 » |
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That's daily sales Still not actually enough to live on between 2 people. Or even eat daily. Rubbish. Cas |
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Eli Delventhal
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Reply #189 on:
2010-08-16 15:44:45 » |
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Sadly it's more like sales = new Integer(2); C'mon everyone! Spread the werd!Cas |
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Riven
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Reply #190 on:
2010-08-16 16:52:50 » |
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Cas, would you mind me being overly verbose? I think you really really really really should bring back the puppygames forums. People must have confidence in your company and your game (I know this sounds lame), and often a look at the forums gives the 'warm and cozy feeling' that, if they were to get in trouble, they'll be heard, random people can jump in and answer, stuff like that. I vaguely recall you got hacked through your previous forum, and you took it down, but really... I think you might get a few more sales. Maybe a lot, time will tell. Anyway, at least for me it's a major turnoff not to find a community on a casual game. Then again, I never bought a game online. |
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princec
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Reply #191 on:
2010-08-17 04:54:37 » |
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Haha Should I really listen to you then? Yes, our forums did get hacked, but as they were so low traffic, we decided not to put them back at the time. We will probably reinstate them at some point, but as we don't have a community game yet*, it's probably a little too soon. Right now though the blog has a rather thriving post count and it's nicely threaded. Like a sort of mini forum. Cas * Guess what the next game's going to be |
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cylab
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Reply #192 on:
2010-08-17 05:46:43 » |
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* Guess what the next game's going to be
Multiplayer version of RotT called Titans Forever |
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Reply #193 on:
2010-08-17 05:48:11 » |
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* Guess what the next game's going to be
A Soldat clone? |
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princec
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Reply #194 on:
2010-08-17 07:13:33 » |
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 Actually, we've got a whole load of ideas. I'm in favour of a giant hands-off robot battle game, akin to Gratuitous Space Battles, but involving the droids from Droid Assault. You'd spend hours customising droids and armies, and then challenge people to a fight, and watch the battle. It'd have user-definable maps, and a challenge winnings system where you both put up $x to fight and winner takes all. And also possibly exotic parts, and salvage. Cas |
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Reply #195 on:
2010-08-17 13:44:15 » |
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Actually, we've got a whole load of ideas. I'm in favour of a giant hands-off robot battle game, akin to Gratuitous Space Battles, but involving the droids from Droid Assault. You'd spend hours customising droids and armies, and then challenge people to a fight, and watch the battle. It'd have user-definable maps, and a challenge winnings system where you both put up $x to fight and winner takes all. And also possibly exotic parts, and salvage. Cas Would you also be putting in a place a way for people to pay real money to get better items faster? That seems to be the popular thing to do now. I personally don't mind that type of system as long as it doesn't turn into you must pay to advance farther than other people. |
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Reply #196 on:
2010-08-17 13:48:00 » |
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Yep we'll have that. I wouldn't say "better" items necessarily.. more "exotic". And the items will be valued in game balance terms appropriately. The idea is, you design an army of droids worth 10,000 points, and likewise your opponent. Then you place a bet on winning, like $1. To challenge you, the challenger must match that bet. The winner takes all. We'll be making the game free to play, and free to challenge, and challenges can be for no money (ie. friendly). <edit> Also you can pit an army of half the value against the enemy by only challenging for half the money. So a 5,000 point army could meet a $10 challenge from a 10,000 point army with only $5. Cas |
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Riven
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Reply #197 on:
2010-08-17 13:52:46 » |
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Just make sure you actually never call it 'money' or 'dollars' ingame, just 'points' or some made up currency, otherwise you might get caught up in gambling laws and whatnot.
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Reply #198 on:
2010-08-17 14:13:58 » |
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No chance of that - the game will be absolutely deterministic, in that for a given pair of armies in given starting positions on a given map, the outcome will always be identical. Cas |
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Reply #199 on:
2010-08-18 19:06:37 » |
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Would you also be able bet points that could help you upgrade? that seems like a cool idea. Or maybe have the two teams put up an item as the bet, and if they both agree, let them fight for it.
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princec
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Reply #200 on:
2010-09-26 20:04:10 » |
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The gist of it's here: http://www.puppygames.net/blog/?p=574I'd be especially thankful to any of you community member types who care to Digg the story, or vote it up a bit on Slashdot! I think we've cracked the DRM nut in the most awesome possible way. And made a completely cool game which I hope you enjoy So much so, that you can have a free registration as a bribe for Digging or Slashdotting the post. Crafty eh. Cas |
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CyanPrime
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Reply #201 on:
2010-09-26 21:39:01 » |
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The best DRM is no DRM. DRM only hurts costumers.
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princec
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Reply #202 on:
2010-09-26 21:40:41 » |
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That's the line that pirates trot out. Read about our DRM! It's your rights we're protecting, more than ours. Cas |
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Reply #203 on:
2010-09-26 21:43:06 » |
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I think what you're implementing works very well. I actually did close to the same thing for Martians Vs. Robots and it saved both myself and the users a LOT of potential headaches. The only difference was that I didn't cap it at ten, I just kept a running total to see if any registration codes "got out of control" somehow... which never happened btw, due to the e-mail-back system, and the fact that I never sold all that much. |
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Reply #204 on:
2010-09-26 21:45:21 » |
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In all these years actually only about 4 or 5 people abused our system. I simply disabled their registrations until they complained, then they registered once more and I never heard from them again. The 10 limit is really just a safety measure in case someone's email link escapes into the wild on some warez site - it'll just automatically limit the damage. Cas |
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2010-09-26 21:50:15 » |
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Reading.
Am offended here: "Find inferior open source / Flash alternatives"
Open Source is not inferior in any way to closed source. Personally I think it's better, as it gives the people more trust in your product.
Done reading. your DRM sounds nice, but I still think donation/donation items is the way to go to make money, and that no DRM is a better marketing tool, but don't compare open source to flash! X_X
edit: BTW, good job on all the fixes and such. And congrats on getting a game out and finished.
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princec
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Reply #206 on:
2010-09-26 22:00:45 » |
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You misread it It does not state that open source is inferior (as if! LWJGL cough cough). It states that the alternative games are inferior, and that they may be written in Flash or may be open source, as examples. Finished! Hah! Not for another 2 months I'm afraid. As as for no DRM and donations.... well... watch this space Cas |
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2010-09-26 22:02:49 » |
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You misread it It does not state that open source is inferior (as if! LWJGL cough cough). It states that the alternative games are inferior, and that they may be written in Flash or may be open source, as examples. Finished! Hah! Not for another 2 months I'm afraid. As as for no DRM and donations.... well... watch this space Cas Alright, I'll digg ya than (If I can get back to my old account). |
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Reply #208 on:
2010-09-26 22:15:52 » |
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Sounds good to me. You are getting some free advertising from my way, hope it helps. Btw you really need to get Paypal as a payment option. I never do credit card stuff on the net, I'm sure a lot of people are the same. but I still think donation/donation items is the way to go to make money That really depends on the game. |
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Reply #209 on:
2010-09-26 22:41:10 » |
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I would suggest you drop the 10 time limit, people are super freaked out by number limits regardless of how loose they are. Just count registrations and monitor it for clear abuse.
Personally I would love to see someone try a ransom system, the problem is you need an established reputation. Imagine if Markus for his next game after finishing it and posting screenshots and a demo decided it was worth $10 million dollars and required that much in donations before releasing the game free to all.
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