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Offline ags1

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« Reply #240 - Posted 2012-06-25 20:00:48 »

Well, my vista box is failing to restart following an update, so I'm not happy...

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« Reply #241 - Posted 2012-06-25 20:02:43 »

vista is vista Undecided
Offline Cero
« Reply #242 - Posted 2012-06-25 20:05:12 »

time between vista and 7 was short
why ?
they knew vista was shit
but here is an idea: release it prematurely, market the shit out of it, and then later release 7 and earn more money.

good idea.

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Offline ags1

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« Reply #243 - Posted 2012-06-25 20:17:05 »

I want to have a linux box and a M$ box for development purposes, and this looks like an opportunity to ditch vista and get Win7. I can also take the opportunity to make the box dual boot with linux. Crazy question - can you install Os X on a computer or do you have to actually buy the hardware from Apple. By the way, on the subject of evil, surely apple leaves MS in the dust with its totalitarian lock-in?

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« Reply #244 - Posted 2012-06-25 20:23:03 »

I think a more accurate view of the statistics of the general population might be found from, say, BBC News or even Google.

Wikipedia is less accurate than BBC News? Nice joke. Cheesy Well as long Google doesn't show some stats, Wikipedia stats are the best out there.
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« Reply #245 - Posted 2012-06-25 20:24:49 »

I want to have a linux box and a M$ box for development purposes, and this looks like an opportunity to ditch vista and get Win7. I can also take the opportunity to make the box dual boot with linux. Crazy question - can you install Os X on a computer or do you have to actually buy the hardware from Apple. By the way, on the subject of evil, surely apple leaves MS in the dust with its totalitarian lock-in?
Ever heard of a Hackintosh? Wink

And what do you mean "Apple leaves MS in the dust"?

Offline Roquen
« Reply #246 - Posted 2012-06-25 20:29:44 »

@Cero: I guess you didn't read the part about looking at world news or at the kinds of stunts non-tech companies pull.  Ultimately the worse things that MS or apple have done is earn some extra cash.  This is stealing a piece of candy from the store.  Big deal...slap on the wrist with fines and move on.

WRT: MS in console market.  Why not?  Because they're not based in Japan?

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constantly steals and reinvents their own standards for everything and use their influence to push it onto customers.
Slightly revisionist history but OK.  You forget that they are big fat meanines that force small companies out of business.  Unlike most tech companies.  You also forgot .NET. 

But what I ask for was an explanation...I guess I'll give it myself:

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Offline Cero
« Reply #247 - Posted 2012-06-25 20:53:28 »

@Cero: I guess you didn't read the part about looking at world news or at the kinds of stunts non-tech companies pull.  Ultimately the worse things that MS or apple have done is earn some extra cash.  This is stealing a piece of candy from the store.  Big deal...slap on the wrist with fines and move on.
Well since EA was named worst company in America, even worse than Bank of America and stuff, I think IT companies can be called THAT BAD - in a world thats so dependent on this technology.

WRT: MS in console market.  Why not?  Because they're not based in Japan?
I like ATARI so thats not entirely it. They just came in late, imitated and now earn so much money.
SEGA was so devoted and are now gone.
Economics not being fair - yeah I know, kinda pointless to talk about.
Well no console had so many failures as the Xbox360 with RRODs perfectly showing microsoft quality. Well maybe except for ATARI Jaguars...

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« Reply #248 - Posted 2012-06-25 20:56:31 »

They just came in late, imitated and now earn so much money.
That's exactly how the Japanese and Chinese companies worked for the last 50 years. They stole everything.

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Offline Cero
« Reply #249 - Posted 2012-06-25 21:00:01 »

They just came in late, imitated and now earn so much money.
That's exactly how the Japanese and Chinese companies worked for the last 50 years. They stole everything.

Not being a Nintendo fan, Nintendo were like pioneers with the NES. The Sega Master System came at a similar time and a heated battle began.
Sony, who only made their own console after getting screwed by Nintendo, actually brought innovation to the table and did a ton right - which also why the Playstation controlled hasn't changed since - was already perfect.

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« Reply #250 - Posted 2012-06-25 21:04:56 »

I might have added that I meant the electronics market. persecutioncomplex Smiley

You see the same thing even in the last decade: 'derrr took arr jerbs!' in the solar panel market.


Anyway, I think stealing ideas is OK. It's how the world works. Ideas are worth shit. You can only excel in the implementation of the idea, which is arguably what Microsoft did.

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Offline ra4king

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« Reply #251 - Posted 2012-06-25 21:07:06 »

@Cero: I guess you didn't read the part about looking at world news or at the kinds of stunts non-tech companies pull.  Ultimately the worse things that MS or apple have done is earn some extra cash.  This is stealing a piece of candy from the store.  Big deal...slap on the wrist with fines and move on.
Well since EA was named worst company in America, even worse than Bank of America and stuff, I think IT companies can be called THAT BAD - in a world thats so dependent on this technology.
Hehehe I voted for EA on that when it was going on Grin

Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #252 - Posted 2012-06-25 21:22:06 »

Almost every server and almost every mobile device runs a linux or linux based OS.
So there may be more linux machines than any other OS, total.
iPhone and Android run on Linux? No.

android is linux
iphone is at least unix based
Go figgur, I didn't know Android was Linux based.

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Offline ra4king

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« Reply #253 - Posted 2012-06-25 21:29:07 »

Almost every server and almost every mobile device runs a linux or linux based OS.
So there may be more linux machines than any other OS, total.
iPhone and Android run on Linux? No.

android is linux
iphone is at least unix based
Go figgur, I didn't know Android was Linux based.
figure* .... and how?! Shocked

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« Reply #254 - Posted 2012-06-25 21:37:05 »

Android is an example of how to do what I've been wittering on about. Hmm. And it was Google wot did it, too.

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« Reply #255 - Posted 2012-06-26 01:57:16 »

Talking about EA being the worst company?
You've got to see this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-LE0ycgkBQ&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLYg2AfxM6qydRS0VBK-ycfQ
Offline ra4king

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« Reply #256 - Posted 2012-06-26 02:26:48 »

I LOVE IT! Grin

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« Reply #257 - Posted 2012-06-26 02:47:07 »

Overhyped Sellout Lens Flare Dubstep War Zombies 4 HD  Wink
Offline ra4king

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« Reply #258 - Posted 2012-06-26 02:56:54 »

And don't forget about the 'exciting' shiny sequel.... Overhyped Sellout Lens Flare Dubstep War Zombies 5 HD!

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« Reply #259 - Posted 2012-06-26 13:21:15 »

Android is an example of how to do what I've been wittering on about. Hmm. And it was Google wot did it, too.

Android is a consumer product. I'm passionate about Linux as a workstation OS for the master programmers.

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« Reply #260 - Posted 2012-06-26 15:32:49 »

And don't forget about the 'exciting' shiny sequel.... Overhyped Sellout Lens Flare Dubstep War Zombies 5 HD!
HORRIBLE!!! HORRIBLE!!! WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING TO ME?!?!?!?


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Offline Cero
« Reply #261 - Posted 2012-06-26 15:41:07 »

And don't forget about the 'exciting' shiny sequel.... Overhyped Sellout Lens Flare Dubstep War Zombies 5 HD!
HORRIBLE!!! HORRIBLE!!! WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING TO ME?!?!?!?

Maybe you buy games at release ? I never ever do that. Well maybe for Yakuza 4.

Buying a game is like a decision in parliament - read/watch all info you can get for an hour.
Apart from that i would pay more than 40 bucks for a game...

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Offline ra4king

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« Reply #262 - Posted 2012-06-26 15:47:21 »

I always have and always will buy Battlefield games at release.....because it's Battlefield. Too bad DICE is now EA's b*tch Sad

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« Reply #263 - Posted 2012-06-26 18:39:45 »

Talking about EA being the worst company?
You've got to see this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-LE0ycgkBQ&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLYg2AfxM6qydRS0VBK-ycfQ
This is amazing.

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Offline Roquen
« Reply #264 - Posted 2012-06-26 19:30:20 »

@Cero: I guess you didn't read the part about looking at world news or at the kinds of stunts non-tech companies pull.  Ultimately the worse things that MS or apple have done is earn some extra cash.  This is stealing a piece of candy from the store.  Big deal...slap on the wrist with fines and move on.
Well since EA was named worst company in America, even worse than Bank of America and stuff, I think IT companies can be called THAT BAD - in a world thats so dependent on this technology.
Wow...that's the best example you can come up with off the top of your head?  EA is mean to their slaves?  They have to work too much and pray for a fat royalty stream?  Like I said: aristocratic rebels.  It would be nice if they bothered to briefly look a regular people's lives before choosing a cause to get worked up about.  Please don't take this as a personal attack, but rather as a challenge to the mind-set that can fixate on MS questionable business practices.  Maybe they can be jerks.  Maybe enough that you don't want to support them by paying for any of their products.  But evil?  That's insulting to people who's lives have been effected by truly evil business practices.

Let me point you in the direction I'm thinking.  My guess is that statistically zero linux user who are so because MS is evil are also careful about what other products they use.  Like do they not buy anything from, say, any of the Nestle brands (which would be very hard BTW) since they've pulled stunts like baby formula programs.  Nestle is not alone and a quick skim of the wiki article doesn't seem to mention giving away free samples and that many babies will refuse mother's milk once they've had formula or that if you don't breast feed that your body will stop producing.  Talk about locking-in a customer base...who can't afford to buy formula in the first place.

They, along with a number of other large corporations, are happily part of "water privatization" of poor countries.  Sucking dry water tables in Pakistan or capping springs in desert/drought ridden areas and sell bottle water to the now waterless populace.  That's nice.

Speaking of slave labor...how many are careful about what consumer electronics or specifically computer hardware they buy?  Most is manufactured by virtual slave labor working in life threatening working conditions.

Food, clothing, oil products..the list will contain virtually kind of thing you might buy.  In every sector will be examples of true evil practices.  Ultimately what MS at it's worst does is squeeze some extra cash out of people with enough disposable income to afford a computer or companies that write-off the cost against their taxes.  Big deal.  I find it ludicrous that anyone can get very worked about something so trivial.


Offline Cero
« Reply #265 - Posted 2012-06-26 21:26:40 »

@Cero: I guess you didn't read the part about looking at world news or at the kinds of stunts non-tech companies pull.  Ultimately the worse things that MS or apple have done is earn some extra cash.  This is stealing a piece of candy from the store.  Big deal...slap on the wrist with fines and move on.
Well since EA was named worst company in America, even worse than Bank of America and stuff, I think IT companies can be called THAT BAD - in a world thats so dependent on this technology.
Wow...that's the best example you can come up with off the top of your head?  EA is mean to their slaves?  They have to work too much and pray for a fat royalty stream?  Like I said: aristocratic rebels.  It would be nice if they bothered to briefly look a regular people's lives before choosing a cause to get worked up about.  Please don't take this as a personal attack, but rather as a challenge to the mind-set that can fixate on MS questionable business practices.  Maybe they can be jerks.  Maybe enough that you don't want to support them by paying for any of their products.  But evil?  That's insulting to people who's lives have been effected by truly evil business practices.

Let me point you in the direction I'm thinking.  My guess is that statistically zero linux user who are so because MS is evil are also careful about what other products they use.  Like do they not buy anything from, say, any of the Nestle brands (which would be very hard BTW) since they've pulled stunts like baby formula programs.  Nestle is not alone and a quick skim of the wiki article doesn't seem to mention giving away free samples and that many babies will refuse mother's milk once they've had formula or that if you don't breast feed that your body will stop producing.  Talk about locking-in a customer base...who can't afford to buy formula in the first place.

They, along with a number of other large corporations, are happily part of "water privatization" of poor countries.  Sucking dry water tables in Pakistan or capping springs in desert/drought ridden areas and sell bottle water to the now waterless populace.  That's nice.

Speaking of slave labor...how many are careful about what consumer electronics or specifically computer hardware they buy?  Most is manufactured by virtual slave labor working in life threatening working conditions.

Food, clothing, oil products..the list will contain virtually kind of thing you might buy.  In every sector will be examples of true evil practices.  Ultimately what MS at it's worst does is squeeze some extra cash out of people with enough disposable income to afford a computer or companies that write-off the cost against their taxes.  Big deal.  I find it ludicrous that anyone can get very worked about something so trivial.




well its just the field I work in so that why I give it a little more emotion than it deserves.
And we are talking about it in game developer forum, in a thread about OS'...
But of course, you are right...
I'm not even that emotional, I just think they stink. Unlike companies who give money to fuel wars and stuff, which are genuinely evil. Although MS could have done that too, just not to my knowledge...

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« Reply #266 - Posted 2012-06-26 21:34:28 »

Microsoft is not evil. They are desperate.

EA on the other hand IS evil.

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« Reply #267 - Posted 2012-06-26 22:00:58 »

Most businesses are, and have to be, "evil", by any reasonable definition of evil. Businesses have to be self-serving and destroy competitors without care. It's part of business. But evil towards ordinary uninvolved innocent people? I agree with Roquen - Microsoft merely relieve rich customers of the burden of having to spend their money on something else. I can sleep soundly at night.

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« Reply #268 - Posted 2012-06-26 22:22:10 »

While I mostly agree with Roquen and princec , I am wary of the way they, as with many large multinationals, subvert the democratic process; and, some of the things all that money they make funds are not as savoury or philanthropic as they'd like you to believe.

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« Reply #269 - Posted 2012-06-26 23:20:40 »

Most businesses are, and have to be, "evil", by any reasonable definition of evil. Businesses have to be self-serving and destroy competitors without care. It's part of business. But evil towards ordinary uninvolved innocent people? I agree with Roquen - Microsoft merely relieve rich customers of the burden of having to spend their money on something else. I can sleep soundly at night.

This is the dumbest, most ill-formed attempt at making a political opinion I've heard.

Business is whenever people exchange goods and services for money. That kind of constructive trading where both buyer and seller are made better off by the exchange is what has made human civilization a better place. That and science.

EA is evil because they made a game you didn't like? It relied too much on pointless lens flare and idiot death matching and didn't live up to the artistic integrity of Halo? So basically, your choice of idiot 3D shooting game is somehow superior to other people's choice? And Valve is somehow a good guy and should righteously collect rents (fees) from anyone else who wants to buy/sell a video game?

And, this is completely off topic.

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