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Offline KevinWorkman

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« Reply #60 - Posted 2014-09-15 18:32:43 »

If he actually cared, he would of just given the company away to the other 2 owners and lived out his life just a comfortable with or without the 2.5 billion. Not ruin his entire reputation for more money he quite literally does not need.

To quote Notch: "It’s not about the money. It’s about my sanity."

I guess I don't understand people criticizing this move. He explained pretty well his reasons for selling *his* company, not that he owes anybody an explanation.

Why does this make you (and lots of other people) so angry, when it really doesn't impact you at all?

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« Reply #61 - Posted 2014-09-15 18:44:10 »

his core ethics

Yeah you start making a game you think is fun and before you know it the whole internet and then some has opinions on how your core ethics are bullshit or something. Can't blame him for making a choice that might bring him happiness instead of endless rivers of hate that flow towards the internet-famous.

Offline philfrei
« Reply #62 - Posted 2014-09-15 18:48:04 »

"Reputation" is a life-long project.

I'm certainly not in a position to judge, never having experienced the amount of responsibility that comes with that much wealth or having creative control of a product with that much mind-share.

Another thought: this is more a conversion of state than anything else, from Kinetic to Potential energy.

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« Reply #63 - Posted 2014-09-15 18:50:55 »

It's now $2.5 billion by the way! I'm in shock with this sale and apprehensive that Microsoft will ruin Minecraft, but then again, they paid $2.5 billion to get it, and more, back through sales, either directly or indirectly from unit sales. This means they will try their hardest not to fuck up!

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« Reply #64 - Posted 2014-09-15 18:51:40 »

In Microsoft's case, that is no guarantee.

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« Reply #65 - Posted 2014-09-15 18:53:23 »

I do expect a Minecraft II Xbox-exclusive or something like that. And I could not care less, plenty of cubeworld games to choose from.

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« Reply #66 - Posted 2014-09-15 19:15:14 »

To quote Notch: "It’s not about the money. It’s about my sanity."

I guess I don't understand people criticizing this move. He explained pretty well his reasons for selling *his* company, not that he owes anybody an explanation.

Why does this make you (and lots of other people) so angry, when it really doesn't impact you at all?

I never said I was upset, just stating facts.

I'm happy for the sale, I figure MS will bring in a more professional-minded development process. My only concern (like everyone else's) is if they botch it. But I don't think they will.

Yeah you start making a game you think is fun and before you know it the whole internet and then some has opinions on how your core ethics are bullshit or something. Can't blame him for making a choice that might bring him happiness instead of endless rivers of hate that flow towards the internet-famous.

He built up his reputation on giving the finger to big business, it's actually his fault people are reacting the way they are.

As I said, I'm happy for the sale. But it still doesn't change the fact Notch sold out his core ethical foundation. There's really no way you can claim he didn't. Although I'm sure he hates the fact he is in such a spotlight people are pointing it out. Notch set himself up as a shining example of sticking it to the man, then sold out to the man. There's many other ways he could of left the Mojang/Minecraft world.

Regardless, I'm not upset by any of this. I used strong words to make a point, and the point really can't be argued.. people can just be annoyed that I was so blunt about it. Wink


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Offline gouessej
« Reply #67 - Posted 2014-09-15 19:33:15 »

Yeah I hope he can go do what he wants to now, but I fear it may be difficult to escape the notoriety, at least for a while.
Notoriety isn't a trip, it's not something that you can take and leave once for all, he can return to a more peaceful life but he can't rewrite the History, he can't erase Minecraft. I'm impatient to see its Doom renderer based on WebGL/Dart even though he wrote some unpleasant comments about TUER (my game) several years ago.

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Offline Damocles
« Reply #68 - Posted 2014-09-15 19:45:23 »

What I have to thank Notch indirectly and the others here is for having fun creating some Java4K games.
Nice to squeeze some Ideas into ugly looking code lines.

I can also understand leaving a project behind tha became "unreal" in terms of popularity.
Not everyone wants to stand in the spotlight, beeing followed by paparazzis to the loo.
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« Reply #69 - Posted 2014-09-15 19:46:09 »

1 billion euro (taxes) is a lot of money, let's hope that they do something fun with it (especially Markus with his 71%) and that Microsoft doesn't ruin Minecraft Smiley

Notch won't be doing something fun with it (at least not for us), he doesn't want to make a next big hit: http://pastebin.com/n1qTeikM
Relevant tweets:
https://twitter.com/notch/status/511508079154696193
https://twitter.com/notch/status/511508557200498688
Hopefully in the long term he is getting over with it. He has enough money - even without the deal - to do whatever he likes to do.
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Offline Damocles
« Reply #70 - Posted 2014-09-15 19:54:17 »

If he is really cool, he will buy a 1 cubic metre gold block.
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« Reply #71 - Posted 2014-09-15 19:56:32 »

I'm awaiting a big donation in order to get a dedicated server or cloud for java4k and domain fees for the next 2 millennias Cheesy then he'll buy Oracle and get Java back into the browser, invent a time machine and go back to 1999 Cheesy minor things like that.


But in all seriousness, it's sort of strange. What would you do with a billion dollars in your bank account? Go back making ludum dare games?

I never really played Minecraft, tried it out at first and thought my creativity was spent better elsewhere than hatching away in some 3D matrix.

It's clear Markus has gotten very carried away and detached, he says he's not a CEO, just a programmer, but withdrew Minecraft from making it available for VR because Facebook bought Oculus. Then he sells Minecraft to Microsoft. I'm pretty sure a few guys are scratching their heads.

But now he's signed the dotted line, and he'll be able to do whatever he wishes for the rest of his life. For the rest of us, keep on scrubbing Cheesy
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« Reply #72 - Posted 2014-09-15 20:02:38 »

He built up his reputation on giving the finger to big business, it's actually his fault people are reacting the way they are.

As I said, I'm happy for the sale. But it still doesn't change the fact Notch sold out his core ethical foundation. There's really no way you can claim he didn't. Although I'm sure he hates the fact he is in such a spotlight people are pointing it out. Notch set himself up as a shining example of sticking it to the man, then sold out to the man. There's many other ways he could of left the Mojang/Minecraft world.

Regardless, I'm not upset by any of this. I used strong words to make a point, and the point really can't be argued.. people can just be annoyed that I was so blunt about it. Wink

I guess I don't really know the details, since I never knew Notch built up his reputation as being anti-business or something of that nature. In fact, the genius-level Minecraft merchandising had me believing that he, like the rest of us, had no problem monetizing his product. Maybe I don't know enough about Notch to be commenting.

But even taking everything you said as true (despite it all being subjective and mostly from Notch's perspective), I'm still not sure why this is bothering so many people. "Oh no some guy I don't know is making money off of the product that he made and I enjoy, how terrible...." The amount of whining this is generating should at least make it pretty obvious to everybody why Notch is leaving in the first place, haha.

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« Reply #73 - Posted 2014-09-15 20:09:55 »

He built up his reputation on giving the finger to big business, it's actually his fault people are reacting the way they are.

As I said, I'm happy for the sale. But it still doesn't change the fact Notch sold out his core ethical foundation. There's really no way you can claim he didn't. Although I'm sure he hates the fact he is in such a spotlight people are pointing it out. Notch set himself up as a shining example of sticking it to the man, then sold out to the man. There's many other ways he could of left the Mojang/Minecraft world.

Regardless, I'm not upset by any of this. I used strong words to make a point, and the point really can't be argued.. people can just be annoyed that I was so blunt about it. Wink

I guess I don't really know the details, since I never knew Notch built up his reputation as being anti-business or something of that nature. In fact, the genius-level Minecraft merchandising had me believing that he, like the rest of us, had no problem monetizing his product. Maybe I don't know enough about Notch to be commenting.

But even taking everything you said as true (despite it all being subjective and mostly from Notch's perspective), I'm still not sure why this is bothering so many people. "Oh no some guy I don't know is making money off of the product that he made and I enjoy, how terrible...." The amount of whining this is generating should at least make it pretty obvious to everybody why Notch is leaving in the first place, haha.

There were not many ways for Markus to "get out". 2 years ago a studio like Valve could have bought the game, but today Mojang could probably buy Valve. EA probably wouldn't have enough money to spend on buying Minecraft.

In the end Minecraft got so big that only a handful of corporations had enough money to buy it, and only one or two actually had a business case reason for buying it. For Markus the only way out was to "sell out" to the likes of Microsoft.

If you can name one "good" company that could have bought Minecraft, had a business case reason and the money at hand, then please name it.
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« Reply #74 - Posted 2014-09-15 20:12:30 »

He built up his reputation on giving the finger to big business, it's actually his fault people are reacting the way they are.

As I said, I'm happy for the sale. But it still doesn't change the fact Notch sold out his core ethical foundation. There's really no way you can claim he didn't. Although I'm sure he hates the fact he is in such a spotlight people are pointing it out. Notch set himself up as a shining example of sticking it to the man, then sold out to the man. There's many other ways he could of left the Mojang/Minecraft world.

Regardless, I'm not upset by any of this. I used strong words to make a point, and the point really can't be argued.. people can just be annoyed that I was so blunt about it. Wink

I guess I don't really know the details, since I never knew Notch built up his reputation as being anti-business or something of that nature. In fact, the genius-level Minecraft merchandising had me believing that he, like the rest of us, had no problem monetizing his product. Maybe I don't know enough about Notch to be commenting.

But even taking everything you said as true (despite it all being subjective and mostly from Notch's perspective), I'm still not sure why this is bothering so many people. "Oh no some guy I don't know is making money off of the product that he made and I enjoy, how terrible...." The amount of whining this is generating should at least make it pretty obvious to everybody why Notch is leaving in the first place, haha.

Well, I think the reason it bothers so many is actually his past mindset on big business, and then suddenly he's "in bed" with them according to the fans. If he wasn't following the ethical standpoint of "big gaming industry is ruining gaming" I don't think anyone would have cared that he sold the game. But I think because he has always had that standpoint, that's what has a majority of the fans in an uproar.

For example, here a few factoids, there's plenty more. But I guess these are the big two everyone references.
http://www.vg247.com/2014/03/25/minecraft-oculus-rift-deal-cancelled-because-facebook-creeps-notch-out/
http://kotaku.com/5947162/notch-id-rather-have-minecraft-not-run-on-win-8-at-all-than-to-play-along

It's odd that his stance against these companies would be so absolute, blunt, and strong, then he suddenly sells the company to one of them. That's where my "sellout his ethics" comments really originated, because I can't for the life of me figure out how the same person who could make the statements in the above articles, would sell his business to the same company unless those ethics he had in the past were just to drum-up support for the indie community and now that he doesn't need them, he doesn't care anymore and his true colors are showing.

Although, that's just my opinion based on the information presented to me. The only conclusion I can come up with that's logical. Because if he really, deep down believed in the philosophy hes touted for years there's no way selling to Microsoft would be an option, for any amount of money.

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« Reply #75 - Posted 2014-09-15 20:16:55 »

Didn't he apologize later for those messages? Maybe it wasn't those specific ones, but he did for something similar.
People's values can change. We also don't even know a lot of the details in the transfer of ownership. They could have worked it out in a way that Notch felt would work well and go along with any vision Minecraft was supposed to be. We don't know.
Offline gouessej
« Reply #76 - Posted 2014-09-15 20:18:18 »

I can also understand leaving a project behind that became "unreal" in terms of popularity.
Not everyone wants to stand in the spotlight, being followed by paparazzi to the loo.
Being famous leads to pressure, only people who really look for attention can bear standing in the spotlight for a long time whereas the loss of privacy it causes is difficult to live for an healthy person. Notch is still healthy, it's a good piece of news.

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« Reply #77 - Posted 2014-09-15 20:23:55 »

Didn't he apologize later for those messages? Maybe it wasn't those specific ones, but he did for something similar.
People's values can change. We also don't even know a lot of the details in the transfer of ownership. They could have worked it out in a way that Notch felt would work well and go along with any vision Minecraft was supposed to be. We don't know.

Yeah, this is what I suspect happened. None of us know the conditions of the sale, I suspect there may have been many clauses in there to protect the nature of Minecraft. For example, a "No microtransactions" clause or some such.

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« Reply #78 - Posted 2014-09-15 20:24:47 »

Regardless of Notch's "You guys just don't get it" cop-out post, Notch is still a sellout of his core ethics. You can wave the "but it's 2.5 BILLION" flag around all you want, but facts are facts, when you already have hundreds of millions of dollars in your bank account 2.5 billion for a guy like notch (who isn't about power/corporate greed) is just a random number. He, his kids, and his kid's kid's kid's kid's can all live off the hundreds of millions he has right now.. Assuming they don't want a solid gold house on an island or something equally retarded.

Thus, no matter how you look at it, this just proves one thing: Notch's gaming-for-the-gamers ethics are complete, absolute, total bullshit. If he actually cared, he would of just given the company away to the other 2 owners and lived out his life just a comfortable with or without the 2.5 billion. Not ruin his entire reputation for more money he quite literally does not need.

Although having said all that; I'm actually glad Microsoft bought Mojang. Minecraft's development process is, and always has been, a bit of a train wreck with very little direction. Maybe MS can bring in some professional developers and Mojang will stop treating Minecraft like the world's largest hobby project. Cheesy

I would disagree with you, entirely, on your assertions. Selling this thing that became too big for him to manage, too volatile for his person, so he could go back and focus on what he loves without having to worry about paying another bill for the rest of his life, and never diluted Minecraft from its original inception? Sounds like his ethics are in tact.

People often confuse $$$ for selling out. It's not the same thing in all cases.

He built up his reputation on giving the finger to big business, it's actually his fault people are reacting the way they are.

Not his fault, make your own mind up. Perhaps it was sold to Microsoft because it is substantial enough that it requires a much larger corporation to protect the IP, maintain the variety of platforms, keep servers in line, etc.?

Again, congrats to him and the team. Well deserved.

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« Reply #79 - Posted 2014-09-15 20:29:17 »

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« Reply #80 - Posted 2014-09-15 21:31:20 »

He built up his reputation on giving the finger to big business, it's actually his fault people are reacting the way they are.
Not his fault, make your own mind up.

Exactly. To quote Notch again: "I’ve become a symbol. I don’t want to be a symbol."

It seems like a bunch of people have imposed some persona on Notch, and now they're angry that he doesn't fit into *their* ideas about how he should act. "He's selling out his core ethics" really means "some of my assumptions were wrong and that makes me mad".

I suppose this is an example of the fan entitlement that so many indie developers are (rightfully) complaining about lately. It's sad to see, but I guess this is a symptom of "indie" becoming a marketable thing.

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« Reply #81 - Posted 2014-09-16 02:20:18 »

When will people learn that it's not the names or titles or promises or anything we say that brings success.

It's what we do and how we do it.

"Minecraft", "Mojang", and "Indie" can be corrupted, but the original ideas behind them will carry on. Lots of people are stupid and can be fooled at first, but even they will eventually realise the words they are told are just empty.

If Minecraft falls because of Microsoft, it opens the door for something new. While I think this is the beginning of the end for Minecraft, I don't really care.

My one concern is the future of Oxeye and their game Cobalt, who were publishing through Mojang. Microsoft better keep their grubby hands of that.

Offline Agro
« Reply #82 - Posted 2014-09-16 04:42:37 »

would be nice to see notch venture back on here Tongue

Offline SwampChicken
« Reply #83 - Posted 2014-09-16 05:30:38 »

^ hahaha, totally agree. It would be so cool if he 'came back home' to JGO and continued to create posts on kooky side projects again.

ps: Regardless, I'm very happy for him...couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke! Onya n0tch!

pps: I hope he aint leaving java though. That would be sad imho.
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« Reply #84 - Posted 2014-09-16 07:42:03 »

pps: I hope he aint leaving java though. That would be sad imho.

He already "left" Java two years ago. He's been working on things with Unity and Dart/WebGL in the meantime.

Quote from: Notch
I’ve become a symbol. I don’t want to be a symbol, responsible for something huge that I don’t understand, that I don’t want to work on, that keeps coming back to me.

I'm going to be 100% honest here, I don't blame him.

As @KevinWorkman had said earlier, people have basically turned Notch's public image into an arrogant, clichéd hipster that calls himself an 'Indie Game Developer', who is some kind of sage of the video games industry and spews out controversial opinions on Twitter every once in a while. The reality is that Notch is just a hobbyist game developer who had become successful for once. He isn't a god, he isn't a complete hipster either. He isn't a game design genius, nor is he an authority on video game development. He's just a hobbyist programmer just like you and me, just like most of the people who go on this forum. He literally just is a JGO-tier game programmer. People should stop seeing and treating him as to that of how others see and treat him.

As for the Mojang/Microsoft deal itself... I don't really give a damn. More power to Mojang for actually going through with it. Now I haven't played Minecraft in a while, but I'm pretty sure everybody who's played it knows that it's pretty much a gigantic clusterf**k right now. If Microsoft has any impact on Minecraft's development, let's hope to goodness it's a positive one. Maybe they'll get professional developers in on the project so it will, as people have suggested earlier, stop looking like the world's biggest hobbyist/pet project.

I think everybody, including myself, is just being a douche about the deal.
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« Reply #85 - Posted 2014-09-16 14:14:11 »

pps: I hope he aint leaving java though. That would be sad imho.

He already "left" Java two years ago. He's been working on things with Unity and Dart/WebGL in the meantime.

Quote from: Notch
I’ve become a symbol. I don’t want to be a symbol, responsible for something huge that I don’t understand, that I don’t want to work on, that keeps coming back to me.

I'm going to be 100% honest here, I don't blame him.

As @KevinWorkman had said earlier, people have basically turned Notch's public image into an arrogant, clichéd hipster that calls himself an 'Indie Game Developer', who is some kind of sage of the video games industry and spews out controversial opinions on Twitter every once in a while. The reality is that Notch is just a hobbyist game developer who had become successful for once. He isn't a god, he isn't a complete hipster either. He isn't a game design genius, nor is he an authority on video game development. He's just a hobbyist programmer just like you and me, just like most of the people who go on this forum. He literally just is a JGO-tier game programmer. People should stop seeing and treating him as to that of how others see and treat him.

What does that mean? There is a broad mix of hobbyist to seasoned developers here. Wear JGO -tier programmer as a badge of honor Smiley

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As for the Mojang/Microsoft deal itself... I don't really give a damn. More power to Mojang for actually going through with it. Now I haven't played Minecraft in a while, but I'm pretty sure everybody who's played it knows that it's pretty much a gigantic clusterf**k right now.

You do?!? Hmmm...millions of players don't, I guess? Oh, you haven't played it in a while. Got it Wink

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If Microsoft has any impact on Minecraft's development, let's hope to goodness it's a positive one. Maybe they'll get professional developers in on the project so it will, as people have suggested earlier, stop looking like the world's biggest hobbyist/pet project.

I think everybody, including myself, is just being a douche about the deal.

Please, just speak for yourself.

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« Reply #86 - Posted 2014-09-16 14:38:43 »

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« Reply #87 - Posted 2014-09-16 15:31:08 »

He's probably flooded with financial pleas, and he'll be regarded arrogant for not granting them (all). Emo

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Offline Damocles
« Reply #88 - Posted 2014-09-16 15:41:11 »

Well having lots of money is a good way to have a neverending supply of new friends.   Grin
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« Reply #89 - Posted 2014-09-16 15:42:26 »

For certain powers of "friend"

And seriously, go check out Cas's Patreon. He's been round JGO longer than anyone - if anyone deserves your support its him!

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