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Offline Jari Särö

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« Posted 2012-04-28 23:21:23 »

Hello,

I have plans to use Linux with my Java hobby,
i have plan to make small Java games, mainly boardgames, my games will be only in my homie country, i dont want to be at global state, atleast yet.

What about Linux it has good Java support, and good drawing programs, like in windows too, inkscape, gimp and blender, + few others too.

Im wondering what antivirus to use, or do i ever need one, i currently have clamtk and f-prot, but do i need better.

Do you have Linux developers here at forum, what programs they use and recommend, LWJGL is too with Linux.
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« Reply #1 - Posted 2012-04-28 23:30:43 »

just take a decent linux distro of your choice (really, just anything you want). OpenJDK is an option, but I would stick with an oracle version. Also I would ditch all that java alteratives nonsense (stay away from GCJ) and install the JDK yourself - just unpack a suitable JDK in a dedicated development folder.

Other than that you can use Eclipse, Idea or Netbeans as IDE. Inkscape, Gimp and Blender a obviously no problem. Krita might also be interesting.

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« Reply #2 - Posted 2012-04-28 23:44:28 »

In no way shape or form use an ATI/AMD card with Linux. If you stick with Nvidia, things will run fine Smiley

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« Reply #3 - Posted 2012-04-28 23:51:04 »

What about Linux it has good Java support, and good drawing programs, like in windows too, inkscape, gimp and blender, + few others too.
Java runs well, all the above listed programs work there + a few others.

Im wondering what antivirus to use, or do i ever need one, i currently have clamtk and f-prot, but do i need better.
Don't really bother with an antivirus on Linux, its not OS that is usually targeted since its market share is so small, its root/user security model is pretty solid and all software is usually obtained from trusted repositories.

Do you have Linux developers here at forum, what programs they use and recommend, LWJGL is too with Linux.
Been using its as a main development system for a number of years, runs great, LWJGL works nicely too.
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« Reply #4 - Posted 2012-04-29 02:26:23 »

My ATI card works great with Linux ... as a VirtualBox guest.  Yeah, the native support sucks pretty bad I'm afraid... in the Linux world, it's pretty much go Nvidia or go home.

AV on linux is for things like mail and file servers.  You don't need it on your desktop.
Offline ReBirth
« Reply #5 - Posted 2012-04-29 03:34:49 »

Choose big supported distro like Ubuntu or Redhat.

Offline jonjava
« Reply #6 - Posted 2012-04-29 07:33:03 »

Hmm, why aren't ATI cards supported in linux as well as Nvidia? Is the JVM's fault or AMD's? or both?

Is this problem expressed only in speed or other horrible distortions? :p

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« Reply #7 - Posted 2012-04-29 07:51:11 »

It's ATI's fault. They made very very crappy drivers. Since AMD bought ATI, they have tried to better the drivers...with little success Wink

Offline gouessej
« Reply #8 - Posted 2012-04-29 08:38:28 »

Hi

What about Linux it has good Java support, and good drawing programs, like in windows too, inkscape, gimp and blender, + few others too.
I agree with you. If you find The Gimp too much complicated, you can use KolourPaint but this one has a very features.

Im wondering what antivirus to use, or do i ever need one, i currently have clamtk and f-prot, but do i need better.
You don't really need an antivirus. As far as I know, about 45 viruses have been created for GNU Linux whereas there are more than 500 000 viruses under Windows. If you don't want to be an affected carrier, just use ClamAv. I disagree with Kappa because GNU Linux is used on most of the servers, it is an interesting target, it is rarely used in desktop environments but it doesn't explain why there are a very few viruses under it.

Do you have Linux developers here at forum, what programs they use and recommend, LWJGL is too with Linux.
I have developped under GNU Linux for years. I don't want to start any flame war. I noticed that there were some problems with KDE 3 and LWJGL (straight lines in the taskbar and even in the whole desktop when leaving an application) but they are gone in KDE 4 except a small one (the icons of the right side of the task bar are anormally huge and a part of this bar is black, there is the same problem with some games using SDL or Irrlicht):


Generally, developping in Java under GNU Linux is not painful. As you plan to use LWJGL, you will use OpenAL, it works fine  Smiley

I advise you to use a distro with a good support like Mageia, Ubuntu or Fedora. Both ATI and NVIDIA cards are supported but NVIDIA is known to have a better support. Anyway, I used an open source driver for my previous graphics card (ATI Radeon 9250 Pro) and it was working fine. I now use an NVIDIA graphics card. There might be some problems with drivers but nothing that could be really blocking in most of the cases. The "Nouveau" driver is reliable but sometimes very slow, maybe I did something wrong. Don't overestimate driver "problems".

I advise you to use OpenJDK at least to perform some tests because most of GNU Linux distros use it by default. If you use only Oracle JDK, you will discover some problems later. I have noticed small differences in the windowing system, they affect applications using both AWT and SWT. There are some differences in sound support too, in fonts.

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« Reply #9 - Posted 2012-04-29 14:57:04 »

I love how Julien always says "GNU Linux"

reminds me of gnu/dad:




In no way shape or form use an ATI/AMD card with Linux. If you stick with Nvidia, things will run fine Smiley
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Offline gouessej
« Reply #10 - Posted 2012-04-29 16:29:03 »

I love how Julien always says "GNU Linux"

reminds me of gnu/dad:
These distros wouldn't exist without GNU tools. When someone helps me, I give him some credits, I don't say I did everything by myself. What is wrong with that? I already explained my position about GPL and I don't see anything funny in it. If your drawing was really coherent, "GNU dad" would provide another explanation, he would rather say : "prevent him from confiscating your toy so that you'll still be able to borrow it to your other friends later and don't borrow him any toy if he refuses to borrow his one(s) to children agreeing with borrowing theirs", it is about fairness, I don't see what is wrong with that. Secondly, GPL has nothing to do with Microsoft whereas you make a reference to "Gates". Sorry, my suggestion is less fun that your masterpiece but closer to the reality. You don't need to laugh about me when you disagree with me. I disagree with you but I don't try to make a caricature about your positions and I don't try to make a fool of you. Best regards.

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« Reply #11 - Posted 2012-04-29 17:14:24 »

Gosh, I bet we can win this debate if we have it here.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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« Reply #12 - Posted 2012-04-29 20:41:27 »

I didn't draw it, its a 4chan creation  ^^
I thought that'd be obvious =D

Offline Roquen
« Reply #13 - Posted 2012-04-30 14:36:40 »

I have to admit that the GNU/Linux thing is a source of amusement for me.  I suppose I need to get out more.  At first it was "linux is a horrible old skool monolithic kernel hunk of junk...just you wait until we release GNU/Hurd!".  Then linux hit the point where it's market share was representable as a non zero number in a 32-bit floating point and then the story changes.  Seriously the fact that L.T. thinks that it's dumb (to put it mildly) should be enough.

K&R (and the much forgotten T) create UNIX and C at bell labs.  All major UNIX flavors are written in C.  Linux is a UNIX flavor.  So why isn't it K&R&T+AT&T/Linux?  And why isn't GCC K&R&T&ATT&T/GCC?  That's actually more logical.  And why isn't Mr. S. insisting on calling all the BSD flavors GNU/BSD-flavor-name?  They're just as dependent (other than a couple of minor things not worth mentioning)
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« Reply #14 - Posted 2012-05-02 01:17:22 »

Not much to say, just...
It's "are" there any Linux java developers  Grin
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« Reply #15 - Posted 2012-05-02 01:22:10 »

Not much to say, just...
It's "are" there any Linux java developers  Grin
Who invited the grammar nazi?

Offline Z-Man
« Reply #16 - Posted 2012-05-02 01:35:40 »

Not much to say, just...
It's "are" there any Linux java developers  Grin
Who invited the grammar nazi?
We have references to 4Chan, might as well have a grammar nazi, also nazi is supposed to be censored? and this beats it?
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Offline ra4king

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« Reply #17 - Posted 2012-05-02 02:31:28 »

Haha yup, JGO apparently replaces nazi with 4 stars: ****. That is a workaround Smiley

Offline jonjava
« Reply #18 - Posted 2012-06-24 22:40:33 »

In no way shape or form use an ATI/AMD card with Linux. If you stick with Nvidia, things will run fine Smiley

nVidia > ATI for linux...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA&feature=youtu.be&hd=1&t=48m9s

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Offline ra4king

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« Reply #19 - Posted 2012-06-25 06:37:00 »

Yup I saw that video when it first came out and the reality is that almost all hardware support for Linux is terrible. Nvidia may be bad...but ATI is the absolute worst. For example: at least Nvidia drivers work somewhat stably.

Offline nsigma
« Reply #20 - Posted 2012-06-25 07:33:01 »

all hardware support for Linux is terrible.

Huh?  Judging from the "preferred OS" thread, you don't use a Linux distro, therefore, seriously, what the f**k do you know?  As I stated in that thread, I've had more problems with drivers on Windows in the past.  I haven't had a problem with any hardware on either system for years now.

In a slightly OT note, Nvidia just lost a Chinese market contract worth at least a quarter of a billion dollars because they wouldn't open-source their driver.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a change in Nvidia's approach to open-source in the near future if it continues to affect their bottom line.

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Offline Z-Man
« Reply #21 - Posted 2012-06-25 07:43:16 »

Nvidia may be bad...but ATI is the absolute worst. For example: at least Nvidia drivers work somewhat stably.
Lawl wut? Have you actually tried to run Linux with an AMD card recently? Works just fine for me. I've currently got Win7/Ubuntu 12.04 and don't have any problems. Also ATI at least tries to help, Nvidia just outright won't. Unless I'm misinterpreting.

EDIT: Also, to be fair, AMD can't really write drivers that work all that well on Windows Tongue the last few releases have all had problems for some people (mostly crossfire I think?).
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« Reply #22 - Posted 2012-06-25 08:33:57 »

Actually the proprietry AMT/ATI drivers are a complete PITA. But there are open sourced versions of the same which work better.

Cas Smiley

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« Reply #23 - Posted 2012-06-25 13:08:01 »


I am... confused... It really looks like nVidia did a bad job there. I do agree with ra4king, having a NVidia card with linux makes your life better. The ATI/AMD drivers were the worst drivers I have ever seen. They don't tell me the OGL version the card actually supports, they work really slow.

But switching to the propretary NVidia drivers made my games run about 2-3 times faster then with the noveau drivers (the open-source ones). Also, NVidia spends very much time into OpenGL development, which is indirectly a support for linux?!?

I'm so confused... Huh  persecutioncomplex

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Offline nsigma
« Reply #24 - Posted 2012-06-25 13:11:10 »

I'm so confused... Huh  persecutioncomplex

If you find that confusing - NVIDIA joined the Linux Foundation earlier this year!  Huh

EDIT:
The ATI/AMD drivers ... They don't tell me the OGL version the card actually supports

Not true.  Install the Catalyst control centre GUI or use fglrxinfo on the CLI and they'll tell you the OGL version support.

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« Reply #25 - Posted 2012-06-25 13:58:18 »

Not true.  Install the Catalyst control centre GUI or use fglrxinfo on the CLI and they'll tell you the OGL version support.

They didn't for me. They said I had support for version 1.4, but my card said to me, I would have support for 2.1, and even on windows GPU-Z said that too.

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Offline nsigma
« Reply #26 - Posted 2012-06-25 14:01:26 »

Not true.  Install the Catalyst control centre GUI or use fglrxinfo on the CLI and they'll tell you the OGL version support.

They didn't for me. They said I had support for version 1.4, but my card said to me, I would have support for 2.1, and even on windows GPU-Z said that too.

Surely that's down to what version the driver supports as much as the card.

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« Reply #27 - Posted 2012-06-25 16:16:36 »

Yup I saw that video when it first came out and the reality is that almost all hardware support for Linux is terrible. Nvidia may be bad...but ATI is the absolute worst. For example: at least Nvidia drivers work somewhat stably.

As someone who is really using "newer" GPUs from Nvidia and AMD... They are at the same level. Nvidia has problems with VSync sometimes, they fixed it a little with version 302 but it could be definitely better. The older version of the driver 295.xx (Ubuntu is shipped with 295.40) had also a performance problem for some GPUs.

AMD has the same problem with VSync, their drivers can't really handle it and they can't fix it. The funny thing is that the open source driver has excellent VSync support but the 3D performance is bad. But at least there are no performance holes in some versions as with Nvidia.

Both GPUs are "stable" for me, I don't have any crashes or freezes because of them. They also have the same 3D performance as the Windows drivers for me.

If you find that confusing - NVIDIA joined the Linux Foundation earlier this year!  Huh

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« Reply #28 - Posted 2012-06-25 18:12:29 »

I can't figure out why 99% of the driver code isn't completely common between all OSes.

Cas Smiley

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« Reply #29 - Posted 2012-06-25 20:22:58 »

I'm not seeing any issues with my GT430 on Ubuntu 12.04.

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