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Offline VIrtueeL
« Posted 2014-08-06 15:28:59 »

well i think it is like a strategy game, if you make the right choice/pick the right path you succeed, if you make the wrong choice or path you lose and got to face with the consequences of wrong thinking.

so before you make your choice, look at the consequences! Smiley

what do you think life is?

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Offline trollwarrior1
« Reply #1 - Posted 2014-08-06 15:33:09 »

Life is a complicated version of this:

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« Reply #2 - Posted 2014-08-06 15:34:08 »

All life is suffering.

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« Reply #3 - Posted 2014-08-06 15:44:29 »

The whole notion of 'choice' is ridiculous, let alone 'strategy'.

I dare you to nudge an electron in a glass of water to the left, by pure will.
I dare you to affect electrons in your brain by pure will.

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« Reply #4 - Posted 2014-08-06 16:01:31 »

Define success.

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« Reply #5 - Posted 2014-08-06 16:03:57 »

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Offline VIrtueeL
« Reply #6 - Posted 2014-08-06 16:21:33 »

made me laugh Smiley

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Offline CogWheelz
« Reply #7 - Posted 2014-08-06 16:27:19 »

Isn't it supposed to be a box of chocolate? There's no strategy to that.
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« Reply #8 - Posted 2014-08-06 16:29:52 »

Isn't it supposed to be a box of chocolate? There's no strategy to that.

I beg to differ. You can let other people have a weird ones, but that dark truffle and english toffee... mmm.
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« Reply #9 - Posted 2014-08-06 16:33:20 »

The whole notion of 'choice' is ridiculous, let alone 'strategy'.

I dare you to nudge an electron in a glass of water to the left, by pure will.
I dare you to affect electrons in your brain by pure will.

We're here to enjoy the ride, so sit back and relax!

That has philosophical potential  Pointing

I pretty much agree, though Tongue
If I assume the world is like game of life: The initial conditions are the only thing needed to determine the outcome, then there is no "free will".
If I assume the world is somehow strange and due to quantum mechanics relies on randomness (Vertiasium argued that way), then I still don't know where the free will is coming from?!?

So I conclude, since I can't change the way the world works by thinking, I have no free will... Or: I need a better definition of "free will". (or "choice")

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Offline philfrei
« Reply #10 - Posted 2014-08-06 17:47:28 »

well i think it is like a strategy game, if you make the right choice/pick the right path you succeed, if you make the wrong choice or path you lose and got to face with the consequences of wrong thinking.

so before you make your choice, look at the consequences! Smiley

what do you think life is?

A really great game will either provide a rich mine of metaphors and ideas that one can apply to one's life, or it will be a much appreciated escape from the same.

There's no way of knowing how a strategy game's paths are mapped. There can be many different roads to success. The game can be tight or easy. There can be possibilities of redemption built in, or sudden death. A lot more depends on the game than the choices made.

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« Reply #11 - Posted 2014-08-06 18:17:04 »

Actually, the next time you are speaking to someone derail their train of thought by changing the subject. That way you change which electrons are firing in their brain, thereby directly affecting the future.


.....now that I think about it, maybe that's the perfect argument against free will  Shocked

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« Reply #12 - Posted 2014-08-06 18:22:00 »

Your thoughts affecting other peoples behavior, has as much to do with free will as a stream of water eroding a mountain has to do with free will.

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« Reply #13 - Posted 2014-08-06 18:44:59 »

Your thoughts affecting other peoples behavior, has as much to do with free will as a stream of water eroding a mountain has to do with free will.
You have a choice about whether or not you want to affect others, while a stream of water does not really have a choice over eroding a mountain.
Not only that but your choices have consequences and since different choices can have different consequences you do have some sort of control over the universe. Since choosing is up to you, you do have free will.

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« Reply #14 - Posted 2014-08-06 18:56:48 »

Explain to me how you have this... 'choice'. Do you control the electrons and protons in your brain? I'd like to know how you pull that off! Modern science would be all over you and your super-human powers.

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« Reply #15 - Posted 2014-08-06 18:58:11 »

Life is like your mom, it's the bomb.  Wink

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« Reply #16 - Posted 2014-08-06 19:01:49 »

I am reminded of why I don't take part in serious philosophical discussions.

If no one has been able to prove something or theorize a way to prove it for the millenia people have been asking about it, it is unlikely (as in statistically impossible) that anyone that I'm talking to will.
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« Reply #17 - Posted 2014-08-06 19:02:59 »

People confuse free will with emergent behavior, and I'm destined to point that out Pointing

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« Reply #18 - Posted 2014-08-06 19:04:01 »

Satirical philosophical discussions? Now that I can dig.
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« Reply #19 - Posted 2014-08-06 19:45:51 »

Have I ever mentioned that the universe runs in fixed time step?  Good enough for reality...good enough for the simulation part of your game.
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« Reply #20 - Posted 2014-08-06 19:52:35 »

Have I ever mentioned that the universe runs in fixed time step?  Good enough for reality...good enough for the simulation part of your game.
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« Reply #21 - Posted 2014-08-06 21:08:19 »

If life is a game, gameplay is seriously lacking!

Regarding free will... People behave in accordance with their character, so in that sense you can say they have "free will". The fact that " you" can't influence the brain's electrons is a red herring - you are the brain's electrons!

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« Reply #22 - Posted 2014-08-06 21:15:16 »

The fact that " you" can't influence the brain's electrons is a red herring - you are the brain's electrons!

That's funny, since electrons can't do anything on themselves... Smiley:
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« Reply #23 - Posted 2014-08-06 21:17:35 »

So much innocence is lost on JGO. Cry

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« Reply #24 - Posted 2014-08-06 21:27:35 »

Herjan, my point is that there is no self separate from the electrons and other physical bits in the brain. To say you can't influence the electrons is not even a statement. Its like saying vampires can't do math, well obviously, vampires don't exist.

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« Reply #25 - Posted 2014-08-06 21:50:06 »

Pour water and oil in a glass container and leave a little room for air, then shake it up a bit. After a few moments, you witness an intricate and highly efficient process that causes the oil to end up between the air and the water - a process solely governed by the laws of physics.

Pour water and a human specimen in a glass container and leave a little room for air, then shake it up a bit. After a few moments, you witness an intricate and highly efficient process that causes the human specimen to end up between the air and the water - a process solely governed by the laws of physics.

We like to think the first experiment shows the laws of physics without attaching meaning. We however like to think the second experiment shows the struggle for survival, in which a conscious decision was made to hold ones breath, swim to the surface and breathe. What we actually see in both cases is a demonstration of emergent behavior of complex systems that boil down to particles being governed solely by the laws of physics. The human specimen from the second experiment has as much free will as the oil in the first experiment, regardless of the difference in the order of magnitude of the complexity of these systems.

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« Reply #26 - Posted 2014-08-06 22:10:07 »

I agree with that. I just don't like the language of a disembodied "you" influencing electrons or even "sitting back and enjoying the ride". These are simply non-statements.

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« Reply #27 - Posted 2014-08-06 22:15:07 »

Regarding the first statement: the 'you' refers to 'your consciousness', which is indeed a non-statement, because there is no such thing as consciousness, but people were unwilling to let that concept go, hence refering to it as something that actually exists.

Regarding the second statement: that was a joke, as you are not able to 'decide' whether to take the advice to sit back and relax.


This is what atoms do when bouncing around for a few hundred million years...




And vampires do exist.

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Offline Cero
« Reply #28 - Posted 2014-08-06 23:58:12 »

The brain is the only device that yields true intelligence.
It is more than the sum of its parts.

Free Choice does exist, however that does not mean that it isn't deterministic. It's just that there are way too many factors, so much so that I myself can change my mind many times in a short time frame.

And we cant even predict the weather yet :<


But yes eventually we are just biological machines so everything is deterministic.
Although... neurology is on some level quantum physics and deals with inherent randomness, probably making it not completely deterministic afterall...

@electron argument :
I don't have to directly influence an electron to make a choice. Making a choice is a very high level cognitive function and electrons are super low level

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« Reply #29 - Posted 2014-08-07 00:01:37 »

It's possibly too lazy to say just that, but it's true: truth depends on your definitions. Even on your definition of truth.
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