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Offline Hecaton

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« on: 2012-01-04 10:44:39 »
Watcha.
Are there any known problems with running the rc4 and 5 gears demos on 32 bit vista machines?
I've tried them on 3 different ones, all with latest java and on both ie and firefox.
In all cases I get the request for accepting the certificate and after agreeing java simply shuts itself down.
That's for launcher only, napplet and both.

Here's the tail end of the trace file:
'com.jogamp.opengl.test.junit.jogl.demos.es2.GearsES2 has no 'window' field
class com.jogamp.opengl.test.junit.jogl.demos.es2.GearsES2 has no 'glWindow' field
Detected screen size 1280x1024
Thread[AWT-EventQueue-2-AWTAnimator-1,4,http://jogamp.org/deployment/webstart-next/-threadGroup] GearsES2.init ...
Chosen GLCapabilities: GLCaps[4 arb: on-scr, rgba 0x8/8/8/8, opaque, accum-rgba 16/16/16/16, dp/st/ms: 16/0/0, dbl, mono  , hw, GLProfile[GL2ES2/GL2]]
INIT GL IS: jogamp.opengl.gl4.GL4bcImpl
GL_VENDOR: Intel
GL_RENDERER: Intel Bear Lake B
GL_VERSION: 1.4.0 - Build 7.15.10.1666'

Up to this point it all looks fine - certificate checking and loading of libraries.
I can post the rest if it's pertinent, it's a bit big though.

The first thing that leaps out is the GL version - is 1.4 not sufficient to run the demo?
The gpu has the latest drivers but it is an old one.

If not that then since they all work fine on my 64bit windows 7 machine, could it be an issue with jogl-all-natives-windows-i586?

 Thanks, Hecaton.
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« Reply #1 on: 2012-01-04 10:48:36 »
Quote from: Hecaton on 2012-01-04 10:44:39
Chosen GLCapabilities: GLCaps[4 arb: on-scr, rgba 0x8/8/8/8, opaque, accum-rgba 16/16/16/16, dp/st/ms: 16/0/0, dbl, mono  , hw, GLProfile[GL2ES2/GL2]]
INIT GL IS: jogamp.opengl.gl4.GL4bcImpl
Intel cards with tessellation? o_O
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Offline Hecaton

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« Reply #2 on: 2012-01-04 11:48:43 »
Ah, the penny finally drops and it turns out I've gone gpu blind.
I've been staring at trace logs from various machines all day and for some reason decided to read intel as nvidia. Doh.
I didn't realise it would be using such recent opengl elements. Guess I need an upgrade.

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« Reply #3 on: 2012-01-04 11:59:53 »
Well, I don't think it actually DOES use OpenGL 4 commands, but I'd still just blame it on your card. Exactly which example are you running?
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« Reply #4 on: 2012-01-05 06:44:34 »
It fails in the same way on all the differently launched version of these:
jogl-applet-runner-newt-ElektronenMultiplizierer
jogl-applet-runner-newt-GraphTextDemo01
jogl-applet-runner-newt-GraphUISceneDemo01
jogl-applet-runner-newt-gears-normal
jogl-applet-runner-newt-gears-special

jogl-applet-version works fine and all the ones in jogl-demos work ok too (including the gears one in there).
So it seems the failing applets are built to pull in gl4 extensions by default, that about right?

 Thanks, Hecaton.
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« Reply #5 on: 2012-01-05 18:46:12 »
Hi

No, GL4bc is the best backward compatible profile but it does not mean that the hardware supports all GL4 features.

You have the same problem with TUER (pre-beta version), it comes from the bug 550 fixed recently by Sven (I have to test his fix), there is a crash when you use a 32 bits JVM on a 64 bits architecture. Best regards.

Edit.: I can't test this fix, I have no machine with Windows 64 bits. I will update the JARs in some days; when it is ready, please try my demo and let me know whether it works, it is the easiest way for you to be sure this bug is fixed.

Edit.2: Gears demos work even with OpenGL 1.3, the other one requires shader support. I tested them with an old graphics card and mine only supports OpenGL 2.1 anyway.
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« Reply #6 on: 2012-01-09 17:02:06 »
Hi

I have just updated my own demo with the latest fixes, please try to launch the pre-beta version of TUER with Vista 64 bits & your 32 bits JVM.
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« Reply #7 on: 2012-01-10 05:03:30 »
Well I tried Tuer and it worked fine but I think you misread my original post slightly.
The problem machine for me is 32 bit vista, the only 64 bit we have is on windows 7 and everything ran fine on that one anyway.

Actually, not sure if it was the pre-beta version of Tuer I tried or not. I ran the one at http://tuer.sourceforge.net/tuer.jnlp.

I did give it run on our 64 bit windows 7 machine - works fine there too, and it does have 32 bit java installed.

Thanks, Hecaton.
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« Reply #8 on: 2012-01-10 06:08:31 »
Hi

Sorry, you tested the alpha version of TUER (using JOGL 1.1.1a). The pre-beta version of TUER (using JOGL 2.0) is here:
http://tuer.sourceforge.net/very_experimental/tuer.jnlp

I hope it will work fine, it uses the last JogAmp auto build of... yesterday.
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« Reply #9 on: 2012-01-10 06:33:01 »
Tried that on both machines and it's sort of working but the resolution is messed up.
On both vista 32 and windows 7 64 bit I get a partial section of what I'm guessing is a loading screen (map turning gradually red).
 
On vista I then get a black screen with a mouse cursor that can only move in the top left quarter of the screen.
Windows 7 is similar but the cursor area is larger and there's a menu with add desktop shortcut on it.
Neither does anything else after this.

Resolutions are 1366x768 for the windows 7 machine and 1280x1024 for vista if that's at all significant.

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« Reply #10 on: 2012-01-10 10:39:20 »
Thank you very much for testing. The bug 550 has been fixed but there seems to have some problems in my own game, not in JOGL itself. The main menu is composed of 6 items, the first one ("Start") allows to go to the main sub menu. Then, you can select the menu item "New game" and the game starts. I think something is wrong with your Intel driver, it does not really depend on Vista. I'm quite disappointed to see that even a rudimentary menu cannot be displayed correctly on Intel. Please can you tell me more about your graphics card or chipset? I have just found this:
http://feedback.wildfiregames.com/report/opengl/device/Intel%20Bear%20Lake%20B

Edit.: I will give a try to the Gears demo on a very low end computer on Windows XP + a crappy Intel chip tonight, I will let you know what is wrong.

Edit.2: GL_MAX_ELEMENTS_VERTICES is very low on your hardware but Gears should work.

Edit.3: Please enable the Java console before testing, it will give us much more information.
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« Reply #11 on: 2012-01-10 11:00:39 »
The 32 bit vista machine has Intel(R) G33/G31 Express Chipset Family onboard graphics.
The 64 bit windows 7 one has an ATI Radeon HD 3200.

Latest drivers and java 32 bit on both.

If the menu should be the same as it was on http://tuer.sourceforge.net/tuer.jnlp then that definitely wasn't it. It looked like a java popup menu, hard to be sure as it was mostly off the edge of the screen though.

Wouldn't surprise me to find issues with both gpus. I've had problems while using display lists on the Radeon one in that past and the Intel is practically a fossil by this point.
Useful to develop on though - if it runs on that it'll run on anything.

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« Reply #12 on: 2012-01-10 13:06:17 »
Quote from: Hecaton on 2012-01-10 11:00:39
The 32 bit vista machine has Intel(R) G33/G31 Express Chipset Family onboard graphics.
Ok thank you so much for this information.

Quote from: Hecaton on 2012-01-10 11:00:39
The 64 bit windows 7 one has an ATI Radeon HD 3200.

Latest drivers and java 32 bit on both.
It should work like a charm on this hardware.

Quote from: Hecaton on 2012-01-10 11:00:39
If the menu should be the same as it was on http://tuer.sourceforge.net/tuer.jnlp then that definitely wasn't it. It looked like a java popup menu, hard to be sure as it was mostly off the edge of the screen though.
I see what you mean. Yes this is the expected result but the menu shouldn't be off the edges of the screen. It looks like a classic Java popup menu with 6 items.

Quote from: Hecaton on 2012-01-10 11:00:39
Wouldn't surprise me to find issues with both gpus. I've had problems while using display lists on the Radeon one in that past and the Intel is practically a fossil by this point.
Useful to develop on though - if it runs on that it'll run on anything.
Implementation of display lists are worse as time goes by; on some hardware (Nvidia Quadro FX), it works fine even on most recent graphics cards but on some "consumer" graphics cards, it is poorly implemented. I don't advise you to use it anyway. The Intel chip is a fossil but the Gears demo should work on it as it works fine on my previous graphics card (ATI Radeon 9250 Pro supporting OpenGL 1.3). Lol my fossil is older than yours  Tongue I agree with you; if it works on such craps, it will probably work on more recent hardwares.

Edit.: the problem on Windows 7 comes from the resolution of the screen (16/9), I will fix it at least in my demo.
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« Reply #13 on: 2012-01-10 17:26:03 »
Ok I fixed the problem you had with Windows 7. The machine I wanted to use with an Intel crappy chipset can't be used now, I will have to find another crappy one to reproduce your problem with Gears. Please can you post the full traces you get in the Java console when you launch Gears demo?
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« Reply #14 on: 2012-01-12 09:59:13 »
Yep - runs perfectly on the windows 7 machine now.

Ok, running http://jogamp.org/deployment/v2.0-rc4/jogl-applet-runner-newt-gears-normal.html on the intel machine gives this in the tracelog:

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More to follow in the next two posts. It's too big for just one apparently.
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« Reply #15 on: 2012-01-12 10:01:39 »
And then:

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« Reply #16 on: 2012-01-12 10:02:39 »
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basic: JNLP2ClassLoader.findLibrary: Looking up native library: libEGL.dll
network: Looking up native library in: C:\Users\johnharris.PROFACTUM\AppData\LocalLow\Sun\Java\Deployment\cache\6.0\1\afff801-3d455fa9-n\libEGL.dll
network: Looking up native library in: C:\Users\johnharris.PROFACTUM\AppData\LocalLow\Sun\Java\Deployment\cache\6.0\59\e0b4afb-4c3e31ff-n\libEGL.dll
basic: Native library libEGL.dll not found
basic: JNLP2ClassLoader.findLibrary: Looking up native library: nativewindow_x11.dll
network: Looking up native library in: C:\Users\johnharris.PROFACTUM\AppData\LocalLow\Sun\Java\Deployment\cache\6.0\1\afff801-3d455fa9-n\nativewindow_x11.dll
network: Looking up native library in: C:\Users\johnharris.PROFACTUM\AppData\LocalLow\Sun\Java\Deployment\cache\6.0\59\e0b4afb-4c3e31ff-n\nativewindow_x11.dll
basic: Native library nativewindow_x11.dll not found
basic: JNLP2ClassLoader.findClass: Windows.Display: try again ..
basic: JNLP2ClassLoader.findClass: Windows.Screen: try again ..
basic: JNLP2ClassLoader.findClass: Windows.Window: try again ..
Detected screen size 1280x1024
basic: JNLP2ClassLoader.findClass: com.jogamp.opengl.test.junit.jogl.demos.es2.GearsES2: try again ..
basic: JNLP2ClassLoader.getPermissions() ..
security: JAVAWS AppPolicy Permission requested for: http://jogamp.org/deployment/v2.0-rc4/jar/jogl.test.jar
security: Add sandbox permissions
basic: JNLP2ClassLoader.getPermissions() X
basic: JNLP2ClassLoader.findClass: com.jogamp.opengl.test.junit.jogl.demos.GearsObject: try again ..
basic: JNLP2ClassLoader.findClass: com.jogamp.opengl.test.junit.jogl.demos.es2.GearsObjectES2: try again ..
basic: JNLP2ClassLoader.findClass: com.jogamp.opengl.test.junit.jogl.demos.es2.GearsES2$GearsMouseAdapter: try again ..
basic: JNLP2ClassLoader.findClass: com.jogamp.opengl.test.junit.jogl.demos.es2.GearsES2$GearsKeyAdapter: try again ..
class com.jogamp.opengl.test.junit.jogl.demos.es2.GearsES2 has no 'window' field
class com.jogamp.opengl.test.junit.jogl.demos.es2.GearsES2 has no 'glWindow' field
basic: Applet initialized
basic: Removed progress listener: null
Thread[thread applet-com.jogamp.newt.awt.applet.JOGLNewtApplet1Run-1-Display-Windows_nil-1-EDT-1,4,http://jogamp.org/deployment/v2.0-rc4/-threadGroup] GearsES2.init ...
Chosen GLCapabilities: GLCaps[4 arb: on-scr, rgba 0x8/8/8/8, opaque, accum-rgba 16/16/16/16, dp/st/ms: 16/0/0, dbl, mono  , hw, GLProfile[GL2ES2/GL2]]
INIT GL IS: jogamp.opengl.gl4.GL4bcImpl
GL_VENDOR: Intel
GL_RENDERER: Intel Bear Lake B
GL_VERSION: 1.4.0 - Build 7.15.10.1666


Hope that's some use, Hecaton.
Offline gouessej

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« Reply #17 on: 2012-01-12 18:18:11 »
Hi

The most interesting files are javaws*.trace and javaws*.log, please launch the Java Web Start version of Gears to generate them.

I have tried TUER and Gears on my very old ATI Radeon 9250 Pro, both work fine on Mageia Linux 1 but they directly crash on Mandriva Linux 2006. I tried earlier to give them a try on Microsoft Windows with VMWare but a missing fix prevented me from succeeding.
Julien Gouesse
Offline gouessej

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TUER
« Reply #18 on: 2012-01-16 04:37:13 »
Hi

You used the RC4, you should use the RC5 or the latest autobuild. As TUER works (and uses the RC5), you should be able to use this release.
Julien Gouesse
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