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Offline Riven
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Hand over your head.


« Reply #30 - Posted 2014-01-30 08:07:07 »

You've got a army of programmers, put em to work. Most of us do it for free anyway.
...
Allow the community to help make the site better in ways that you dont have time to?
There are enough security holes and potential sql injections as it is Smiley The cost of cleaning up after a hack, both in hours and in money spent, is enough to put this whole project to make money at risk. No 3rd party code is going to run on JGO, unless the site is actually hacked Smiley

What about contests with entry fees, maybe a 50/50 payout of whatever. I bet youd get alot of interest doing that. (Especially if you got notch to tweet a link to it).
Excluding people from a contest who cannot pay the fee, feels quite harsh. So that is not going to happen Smiley

Thanks for the input though!

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Offline moogie

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Medals: 11
Projects: 5
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« Reply #31 - Posted 2014-01-30 10:07:14 »

I have had a little ponder on this problem and I have come at it from another angle: Reduce the need to pay for bandwith.

I posit that members of this forum are more than willing to donate their spare bandwith to help reduce costs, so why not provide them with a program that will run in the background on their computers that will offload some of the bandwith.

What form this offloading will take is the question... initially I thought that they could host a webserver and then host static content but that may not provide sufficient reduction in bandiwith/server load. So my next thought was perhaps to have a faux-cloud solution where a member could host a VM which would be donated to our benevolent overload Riven to install some sort of distributed instancing of the forum and so the real java-gaming.org webserver simply redirects to one or more of these instances.

NOTE: that i have no idea on how this might be implemented Smiley
Offline Riven
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Hand over your head.


« Reply #32 - Posted 2014-01-30 10:14:15 »

Bandwidth/datatraffic is not really the problem, and distributing webservices and databases is a lot of work.

JGO sends about 80GB per month, and the smallest Linode account features 2TB of datatraffic, so there is not a penny to save on traffic.

If we really want to save a few bucks, I could disable the Linode Backup service, which saves $5 / month, but then we really ought to have people willing to setup their servers to receive this backup, and are available nearly 24/7 in case something terrible happens to the Linode VPS.

I'm not sure saving $5 / month is worth this hassle Smiley

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Offline moogie

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« Reply #33 - Posted 2014-01-30 10:24:04 »

hmm... good point. It is a shame that there is not already a P2P cloud solution ready made which JGO could transfer to Sad
Offline princec

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« Reply #34 - Posted 2014-01-30 10:33:21 »

I could sponsor JGO. It's not like a donation or a subscription or anything... just a sponsorship.

Cas Smiley

Offline KevinWorkman

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Medals: 21
Projects: 11
Exp: 12 years


klaatu barada nikto


« Reply #35 - Posted 2014-01-30 18:17:27 »

BTW: logged in members don't see the header/footer banners.

How much traffic is from logged in users compared to random people? I know I wouldn't mind seeing a couple non-obtrusive ads on here when I'm logged in, and I bet the people suggesting you take donations wouldn't mind either (especially if you had a little link explaining why you need ads under said ad). You could even hide some of the more obtrusive ads for logged-in users.

This would help your view count on PW go up, which in turn might attract higher bids.

Of course, if logged-in users are only a small percentage of your traffic, this advice is null and void.

I'm in a similar boat with my own website (although on a *much* smaller scale), and I understand your hesitation to take money from the users. So maybe just showing more ads (not in-your-face ads, but PW seems pretty good most of the time) is the simplest solution?

Edit: I'm an idiot. I see now that there is an ad on the side. Talk about unobtrusive, I didn't even notice it was there!

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Offline CommanderKeith
« Reply #36 - Posted 2014-01-30 19:52:50 »

Back in early 2010 when I added AdSense, everything seemed to go well. Within three months I reached the payout threshold of about $100, and I was a happy overlord. Unfortunately, in spring 2010 some guy from Belgium (according to his IP) clicked ~20 times on the same ad. I reported this activity to Google, with the offending IP address, and they quickly responded by suspending my AdSense account, indefinitely... in case you're wondering, yes, it is still banned and yes, I contested their decision to no avail.

That's totally unfair! I was reading about adsense and how to lift the ban and everyone says it's impossible.
But there's this discussion on google's product forum:
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/adsense/BQYp_jvO13k
Maybe if you raised the matter in a new thread there then they might notice? Seems bizarre that they ban you for doing the right thing.

Accepting donations from members would be fine. For the older members here a cost of $10 per year is nothing. I'm sure there'd be at least 30 members who'd pay $10 from their paypal account to keep JGO going. That would cover costs for about the next 2 years.

Another option may be to use the community more.
I have a VPS of which I use barely 1% which could be used to host JGO. I'm sure others are in the same situation.
But the hassle of moving JGO to new hosts would be a waste of labour.

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Exp: 3 years


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« Reply #37 - Posted 2014-01-31 01:03:11 »

Riven, I know you are hesitant to accept money, or exclude others who have not donated etc... (which is very respectable), but I think there's a point when you have to let that go, at least a little), so JGO can be self-funded. I would absolutely love to pay a few dollars in return for this amazing website, and I think it would be wise to accept these donations. Sure, people may only donate once, but think about all the extra money you could get by just taking donations. You never know, it may be enough to cover the costs for a while. Now I'm not saying have premium accounts, but just allow donations. I believe many people here would donate just because, and not expect anything in return. This forum is remarkably NOT selfish.

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