This is  a forgone conclusion.

uj, I think I understand your frustration, but there really is no point arguing Java vs. C++ on these boards.  This is a Java games development board, so the only question is -  Is Java good enough for developing games, and the answer is resounding yes.  We know this from experience.  I am developing with it (see my sig) and many already have completed games that are competing along side C++ games (and other languages).  You may or may not wish to use Java to program a game, that's your porogitive, but we have and are.  We know what it's capable of and we know it's limits and we know it's good enough for what *we* are doing.  You can choose to accept that or not, the decision is yours. 

Sure, you are convinced Java is the ultimate answer to gaming, but the question was why don't everybody think so?

And, to be more general, why hasn't Java been the language of choise for advanced desktop applications?

I did and the answer is that Java just didn't cut it at the time.

That's my main point really. Java hasn't been good enougth at every particular moment. Why is Eclipse using SWT for example and not Swing? I cannot be absolutely sure but a very good guess is that Swing wasn't a good enougth alternative at the moment.

Sorry, but the 'freedom of speech' argument doesn't apply. This is a moderated message board and the moderators do so as they see fit. When you first register there's a little checkbox at the bottom of the forum guidelines which reads "I Agree". You had to check that to register. One of the items you agreed to is that the moderators are free to remove content at their discretion (or something to that effect). It's actually very rare for a thread to get locked here. The other thread wasn't closed because your views were opposite of everyone else's. It broke down into mudslinging, so closing it was the appropriate thing to do. But this really, really, is the wrong place to discuss Java vs. C++. I don't know what you are trying to accomplish by doing so.

uj doesn't want to hear any arguments... given that they have already been presented and ignored in the other thread.  Ban this person so we don't have to put up with this nonsense.

Yes, you absolutely have the right to be wrong (or right) and you are welcome to shout your position at the top of your lungs on any street corner.  In fact, you are welcome to join any publicly open forum, assuming that you abide by their T&C, and state your position.   However, you started into a discussion thread (22 posts in) saying that people were whining, stating that Java has been crappy for 10 years, then (of course) validating that perhaps that Java being slow no longer holds true and pointing out that it now has OGL support and suitable for games.  Point there is, if it's good enough now, what's your beef?  You were argumentative almost from the start.

You then went on to get the whole Java3D thing wrong WRT to letting the users down and going to JOGL.  You then asked:


Now, I will point out that many answers were given to your question, but none seemed to satisfy you.  Fair enough.  However, your general insulting just continued.  Witness your next post in the thread:


Hmmm....KevGlass didn't attack you, as far as I could see in the thread, so why call him stupid and tell him he is caving in?  If you weren't here to pick a fight, then why use those words?  And, BTW, THAT is where the downward spiral started in that discussion.  I read through each of your posts in that thread and you were more argumentative and insulting than anyone else in there and when you were presented with answers and reasons to your comments or questions, you either dismissed them or ignored them.

Now, anyone that has been frequenting these boards for some time will tell you that I am, above all else, fair.  I rarely lock threads and I believe that we have banned only 1 or 2 subscribers since these boards went live.  However, I am perfectly willing to eject someone who comes here to do nothing more than pick fights or "play devil's advocate" when no one asked them to and for no reason other than to assert themselves.  You have made some arguments in favor of C++ over Java.  I have absolutely no problem with that.  But I do have one request.

Please inform the rest of us what your credentials are.  What games have you developed?  Which ones in C++ and which ones in Java?  If no games, than what kind of apps have you developed?  Can anyone witness your work?  Give us something so that we can respect your opinion and position.  You talk about Java's lack of credibility, in your opinion, and why should anyone just trust it, now that it is suitable for game development, overnight?  Well, why should anyone trust anything you have to say just because you waltzed in here and said it?  And we don't even know your history.

So, tell us why we should listen.  I'm open.

-Chris

True. Moderation equals dicatorship. If you dont like how the mods handle it, go away.

Its as simple as that.

I am actually interested too to find out what programs/games uj developed? uj?

Head to page 3 there and read about: The "Skarka Clone Wars",  too funny.

Gentlemen. We have here a professional troll. A troll who will stop at nothing - let no weakness of any forum unexploited - to incite flamewars, leaving in its path a trail of blackened, burnt-out bytes. It derives pleasure from, or perhaps even feeds on the very essence of outrage expressed in reply to its utterances. Utterances, laid out like bait on a hook, waiting for the unsuspecting javagamer to be dragged into an endless discussion. (sinister music should be played while reading this message)

I really don't care who people are and I don't think anybody should. I go by the arguments only. No one is better than their last argument.

For some reason some people here seems to think they don't have to argue their sake anymore. They feel they just have to state the "facts" and that's the way it is. I'm sorry to inform you that that's just pompous behaviour. Not even a Nobel prize guarantees the holder is always right and more worthy of being listened to than any other.

So Chris, I've been accused of many things but you've failed to show any situation where I did wrong, haven't you? Why did you lock that thread? The pressure got to high. Well if it wasn't that then show an example of where I was in the wrong.

Sure but this is a section called General Discussions.

And if you find a discussion meaningless your option is to stay out. If it's so meaningless why spend time trying to curb it?

Choose whichever language you want and leave the honest people sleep. Now please sh*t up. You may want to troll on *cough* slashdot *cough* (as somebody said) but not here.