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Offline Hydroque

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« Posted 2016-06-06 01:05:35 »

I honestly think people are very dumb when determining if graphics cards are good.

I've been ripping performance out of every single computer I could get my hands on for smooth game place. I was never gifted with a computer that could play things at a steady frame rate. (now that I am waiting on my last component for my PC I am excite).

I saw some unboxing of a Zotex Nvidia GT 730 4gb 1600mhz and they complained about 120 fps on minecraft while it was raining D:
Minecraft is disgusting. Yet, when I run 15-30 all the time max on a crappy laptop with OGL < 2.0 Shader 1.2 you will inevitably see why I wouldn't complain. I almost can run League of Legends at 60 fps with my other laptop and it has about the same OGL and Shader, but it is much better in terms of CPU clock and ram.

The computer that I built is far beyond my expectations and I haven't even built it completely yet.
I can't wait to get back to coding too, my gfx card should be here tomorrow.

I am writing this on one of the crappy laptops that I was talking about, and the fact that I was using a loaned laptop for so long is funny. My computer specs are ATX, AMD 4.00ghz FM2+ socket quadcore, g.skill 2x4gb 1600mhz DDR3, GIGABYTE F2A88X motherboard, 450w coolermaster psu, and Zotex Nvidia GT 730 4gb 1600mhz graphics card.

My target for this computer was obviously budget and I think I did very well. I bought the assets for this computer for under 300$

I am going to love the hell out of this PC Cheesy

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Offline SuperMario
« Reply #1 - Posted 2016-06-06 01:10:59 »

Did you need a pc right now?
AMD's polaris gpu's are coming at the end of this month. for $200 you get VR experience.
They are also bringing out the new Zen cpu's which are 40% faster than the excavator series.
Offline Hydroque

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« Reply #2 - Posted 2016-06-06 01:24:46 »

I needed a pc right now sort of. I am in no way going to wait till the end of the month to spend 200$ on a gfx card. I spent 75$ and got me a 4gb one that fits all my needs (I am a minimalist). So I don't really have any problem skipping out of VR right now. I am SURE there will be a console for that.

I've actually had thought about VR games, but I mean I'll just use cardboard or something lol. I don't actually want to be part of VR until I get some actual good years under my belt, if that makes sense. Zen CPU which are 40% faster huh. CPU has never been a bottleneck for me. I don't think after a 4.00ghz quad core it even matters. Of course I am not talking about high end gaming. I rather not play GTA5 and all that, but some intelligent game you actually play. Such as a MOBA. Not something I just look at for aesthetics.

(Plus I promised to stream FF1 to any FF not online)

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Offline SuperMario
« Reply #3 - Posted 2016-06-06 01:29:51 »

But 40% increase means you can get a cheaper version cpu
Offline Hydroque

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« Reply #4 - Posted 2016-06-06 01:32:40 »

I already bought a CPU from a while ago so idk lol. Do I want to fork out even more money and sell my current one for less? Cheesy

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« Reply #5 - Posted 2016-06-06 02:14:27 »

Did you need a pc right now?
AMD's polaris gpu's are coming at the end of this month. for $200 you get VR experience.
They are also bringing out the new Zen cpu's which are 40% faster than the excavator series.


I'm going to be pedantic, but the Zen CPUs are 40% faster per clock than the excavator series. They will likely have higher clocks and more cores, so Zen should be significantly more than 40% faster than the excavator series.

Offline Hydroque

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« Reply #6 - Posted 2016-06-06 02:31:10 »

Thats good that they are getting that fast. It's a shame we have to put prices on all computer things. I wish google would take over with internet too. But they haven't. Sigh.

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« Reply #7 - Posted 2016-06-06 03:06:23 »

Wtf Hydroque.... wat

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« Reply #8 - Posted 2016-06-06 03:07:13 »

Thats good that they are getting that fast. It's a shame we have to put prices on all computer things. I wish google would take over with internet too. But they haven't. Sigh.

wat

I wish google would take over with internet too.
wat




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Offline Opiop
« Reply #9 - Posted 2016-06-06 03:08:38 »

I don't even know what is going in this thread.

Just why.
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Offline Hydroque

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« Reply #10 - Posted 2016-06-06 03:09:34 »

I'm saying I'm tired of computers being so expensive, but necessary in our lives. It should be dirt cheap like the mcburgerz.

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Offline DarkCart

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« Reply #11 - Posted 2016-06-06 03:11:49 »

I'm saying I'm tired of computers being so expensive, but necessary in our lives. It should be dirt cheap like the mcburgerz.

Ok, since you think that, I want you to do something. Dig up some sand, form it into sillicon, make a processor out of it, and then write an operating system for it. Then find some plastic and wires and make a keyboard and mouse. Not "dirt cheap like the mcburgerz", is it?

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Offline Opiop
« Reply #12 - Posted 2016-06-06 03:11:59 »

Oh man...

You don't need that desktop, I don't even have a desktop/laptop at my house and I live just fine. It would be great if everything were free/super cheap, but then why would anyone work? And then why would most people try to better the society they live in? Money is a necessary evil.

You can find a perfectly capable old-ish machine that will handle everything you need.  
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« Reply #13 - Posted 2016-06-06 03:13:18 »

I'm saying I'm tired of computers being so expensive, but necessary in our lives. It should be dirt cheap like the mcburgerz.

Ok, since you think that, I want you to do something. Dig up some sand, form it into silicon, make a processor out of it, and then write an operating system for it. Then find some plastic and wires and make a keyboard and mouse. Not "dirt cheap like the mcburgerz", is it?

NINJA EDIT: Got glass and silicon confused.

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Offline Hydroque

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« Reply #14 - Posted 2016-06-06 03:14:17 »

I won't feed the trolls. I won't.

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Offline ra4king

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« Reply #15 - Posted 2016-06-06 03:15:12 »

Computers can be dirt cheap. Go buy a Chromebook and do all your development there. There's online Java IDEs.

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« Reply #16 - Posted 2016-06-06 03:16:02 »

I won't feed the trolls. I won't.

This is like the stories where the villain thinks that they are the hero, and everyone else the villains.

Offline DarkCart

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« Reply #17 - Posted 2016-06-06 03:16:17 »

I won't feed the trolls. I won't.

and yet you somehow are

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« Reply #18 - Posted 2016-06-06 03:22:40 »

A Raspberry Pi Zero is only $5.

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« Reply #19 - Posted 2016-06-06 03:36:03 »

Computers can be dirt cheap. Go buy a Chromebook and do all your development there. There's online Java IDEs.

I use a toshiba chromebook 2 with an I3 and 1080p IPS display and it's very sleek-looking too. Although the bottom is kinda plastic-ey (I plan to paint it a metallic color maybe with a linux penguin stencil) it serves my needs!

As for the online Java IDEs, yuck... Let's keep java out of the browser, I thought we all learned from applets
If you use crouton you can get a full linux environment (that's not virtualized, it's completely bare-metal performance) that runs Civilization Beyond Earth, WINE, Minecraft and even Tuxracer & GLTron. I don't have any benchmarks but minecraft runs on 16 chunks and all the usual settings at 50-60FPS (This thing is passively cooled, give it a break). Plus it's a bit cheaper due to the whole free software thing. (I got mine from B&H photo for 600$)

If anyone has any questions about how games / development stuff runs in crouton PM me!

Offline SuperMario
« Reply #20 - Posted 2016-06-06 13:05:41 »

Anyways I suggest people to help AMD get a bigger share on the market. The last thing you want is Intel to be a monopoly and set prices skyhigh like back in the day when a simple cpu was $1000.
Offline Cero
« Reply #21 - Posted 2016-06-07 09:22:30 »

Honestly people should spend more money, not less.
The global economy is really bad, people are reluctant to buy shit. Amazon is huge and is not even really profitable.

How often does you PC break? You can't invest in some $300 machine once every 5 years?
Decreasing product prices even more is not gonna help the economy.

Also I dont get the logic. All people need pcs so they should be cheap. First of all that manufacturing cost with demand/supply. But also Phones and PCs ARE ubiquitous.
And cars dont cost 200 bucks in 2016 just because you need them to drive Shocked

Shit costs money to make.

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« Reply #22 - Posted 2016-06-07 09:27:39 »

I fear the internet has raised an entire generation of people who think everything costs nothing.

They are in for a terrible shock in a few years.

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« Reply #23 - Posted 2016-06-07 10:10:23 »

Why can't I get a free graphics card that is paid for by adverts? It could hijack the PC sound system every 60 seconds exhorting me to buy cheap hamburgers Smiley

Then I could buy a USB key to block hardware-delivered ads Smiley

etc etc.

I speak ironically of course.

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« Reply #24 - Posted 2016-06-07 10:17:17 »

The worst thing is to come of the battle to lower prices in the chip industry is that it gives rise to problems like conflict resources.
Basically, in the Democratic Republic of Congo, various paramilitary groups and gangs have taken over mines that create the resources used in various electronics and enslave children to work the mines.

Companies try to weed out the illicit minerals from the rest but it is very hard when they don't control the supply chain. So the sad reality is, at some point in your life, you've probably bought consumer electronics that was brought to you because of child slavery Sad

Fortunately, Intel [claims] that all their goods are now conflict-free, although whether they actually are is probably very hard to know.

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« Reply #25 - Posted 2016-06-07 10:49:28 »

I don't care if my shit is conflict free. I just want my shit when I pay for it.

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« Reply #26 - Posted 2016-06-07 11:20:45 »

I fear the internet has raised an entire generation of people who think everything costs nothing.

They are in for a terrible shock in a few years.

And the other side of that coin are people indoctrinated to believe hardware should be upgraded yearly or so (smartphones, I'm looking at you). Poor bastards.  Roll Eyes


I don't mind my hardware being expensive, as I build my rig to last, spreading the cost over several years (my laptop is pushing 5 years, and I recently changed the burnt out motherboard of my 9+ years old main rig).

Now, finding that stuff that is expensive because it is actually good, vs the stuff that is just overpriced (anything with the word "gamer" in it, in my experience), that's the trick.

Offline Icecore
« Reply #27 - Posted 2016-06-07 11:33:55 »

Why can't I get a free graphics card that is paid for by adverts? It could hijack the PC sound system every 60 seconds exhorting me to buy cheap hamburgers Smiley
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I fear the internet has raised an entire generation of people who think everything costs nothing.
it was inevitable..
the market can not be fair competition where the 100-million+ players

piracy, "free" services - everything that destroys fair competition

market has evolve and players receive income not from selling 1 expensive good,   
he receive it from goods quantity (aka free == ads, etc..)

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« Reply #28 - Posted 2016-06-07 12:20:02 »

pay little = get cheap low quality stuff
pay alot = maybe get something of good quality

anyway, here i see the general change in the way we percieve commodities.

industry tells us those things we used to use, like electrical household tools, we should not use, but consume.
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« Reply #29 - Posted 2016-06-07 14:14:40 »

I don't care if my shit is conflict free. I just want my shit when I pay for it.

Well, you should. And if you have no mercy of what happens to some people in some part of the world, you should at least do it because the thing may eventually turn back on yourself/people/country
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