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  EMERGENCY! Java & Eclipse on Surface Pro?  (Read 6359 times)
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Offline nerb
« Posted 2013-08-24 04:28:29 »

Hi chaps,

Not a real emergency, but the Microsoft Surface Pro is on sale at a nearby store today, and today only.

Before I rush out and buy one, does anyone know if it's possible to get Java and Eclipse running on them? I'm under the impression that I could do anything with it that I could do on a laptop? Are they running a standard version of Windows 8?

Cheers,
nerb.
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« Reply #1 - Posted 2013-08-24 04:40:15 »

Surface Pro uses Windows 8 RT which is different (worse) - no desktop, only the "Metro" l&f as well as the Tile-Based functionality.

Didn't know there were two versions persecutioncomplex
Offline nerb
« Reply #2 - Posted 2013-08-24 04:44:07 »

I thought that the Surface RT is running Windows 8 RT, and the Surface Pro was running a full blown version of Windows 8?
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Offline Jeremy
« Reply #3 - Posted 2013-08-24 04:48:21 »

Surface Pro uses Windows 8 RT which is different (worse) - no desktop, only the "Metro" l&f as well as the Tile-Based functionality.

Surface Pro runs over the x86 architecture, with a full version of Windows 8.

I.e, you can run virtually anything you do on a basic desktop computer on this tablet, so yes you can use Eclipse and the JDK on it.

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Offline nerb
« Reply #4 - Posted 2013-08-24 06:55:13 »

You just made a bit of money for Microsoft Jeremy Wink. Thanks for that.

Well I got one. It's a groovy little thing, but I think it will take me a little while to get used to it. Not to mention I have to wrap my head around Windows 8  Clueless.

Will try and get the JDK and Eclipse running a bit later. I foresee it being very handy when travelling, at work, or too lazy to get out of bed. It beats having to lug my monster of a laptop around.

Cheers,
nerb.
Offline nerb
« Reply #5 - Posted 2013-08-24 14:28:25 »

For anyone reading this now or into the future, it's all good. I successfully installed the JRE, JDK and eclipse and they all run fine.

Cheers,
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« Reply #6 - Posted 2013-08-24 19:33:53 »

How does the programming on a tablet go, i imagine its really bad with a on schreen keyboard.
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« Reply #7 - Posted 2013-08-24 20:18:31 »

I imagine it would be if you were using an on screen keyboard, but the surface pro has a removable keyboard:
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« Reply #8 - Posted 2013-08-24 20:58:02 »

Oh didnt know, thanks for the info Smiley
Offline Cero
« Reply #9 - Posted 2013-08-25 00:57:02 »

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Microsoft Q4 2013 Earnings: Company Lost $900 Million On Surface
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Surface Pro Is No Bargain Even After $100 Price Cut

Spoiler: Nobody wants them for a reason.

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Offline nerb
« Reply #10 - Posted 2013-08-25 09:00:57 »

Yep, you can purchase the detachable keyboard for them. There is both a fancy looking 'touch' keyboard, or a more traditional mechanical keyboard; the latter of which is more suitable if you are doing a lot of typing. Unfortunately however, it is an optional extra, priced at about $130.

I think making the keyboards optional extras is a bit dirty. A machine like this is targeted towards the 'mobile office' crowd, as opposed to the casual tablet user. As such I guess the vast majority of users will need a keyboard, and I think they are trying to make an easy quid from that.

Overall I think the surface is quite expensive for what it is. It hovers in the realm between a tablet and an 'ultrabook'. There are similar ultrabooks for sale at considerably lesser prices, some more than $300 cheaper. So I think it really pays to look around at your options before purchasing something like this; you may be able to find something that fits your needs and save a quid or two.

Personally however, I am quite happy with it. It is a good mobile workstation, but at the same time can easily be used as a traditional tablet for light entertainment. The only problem is that I now cry every time I look at my bank account! Nonetheless, that was the choice I made.

Cheers,
nerb.
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