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Offline Roquen
« Reply #30 - Posted 2014-03-09 19:01:11 »

A development environment like Eclipse does not compile anything, its just a glorified text editor.
Wow...that's like totally wrong.  (I'm not advocating Eclipse in any way...this statement is totally incorrect).  Now all compliant java AOT sdon't perform any transformations (other than lowering to bytecodes) but that's required to be compliant.
Offline Gibbo3771
« Reply #31 - Posted 2014-03-09 19:03:07 »


Eclipse has css themeing, code formatting and templates, auto import etc.

I have no idea if netbeans has any of this, my attempt to use multiple logical hot keys leads to random commands that make no sense.

Also the android ST kit that you can plug into it...is amazing and extremely simple to use.


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Offline zngga
« Reply #32 - Posted 2014-03-09 19:40:24 »

Eclipse > Intellij > Netbeans. IMO

...


but what about BlueJ?

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Offline Grunnt

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« Reply #33 - Posted 2014-03-10 07:22:51 »

A development environment like Eclipse does not compile anything, its just a glorified text editor.
Wow...that's like totally wrong.  (I'm not advocating Eclipse in any way...this statement is totally incorrect). 

Would you mind sharing with me why this statement would like be totally wrong?  Wink

Offline Roquen
« Reply #34 - Posted 2014-03-10 08:32:07 »

Because it's like saying: "X is just a glorified binary image loader" where X is any OS that is or ever will be.
Offline tom_mai78101
« Reply #35 - Posted 2014-03-10 08:38:18 »

ITT: IDE debate on Eclipse/Netbeans/IntelliJ.
Offline Grunnt

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« Reply #36 - Posted 2014-03-10 10:31:34 »

Because it's like saying: "X is just a glorified binary image loader" where X is any OS that is or ever will be.

Yeah ok, you have a point. What I was trying to say is: Eclipse is not a compiler, it is an IDE (which is essentially a glorified text editor).  Wink

Offline Troubleshoots

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« Reply #37 - Posted 2014-03-10 10:36:42 »

**yawn**

IDE wars v242.

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Offline Roquen
« Reply #38 - Posted 2014-03-10 10:39:51 »

Bzzz.  Wrong answer.  Eclipse has a built-in compiler framework. Wink  Examples: http://strategoxt.org/Spoofax, https://www.eclipse.org/xtend/, etc. etc.  Like binary image loading in a OS...text editing is required but only a tiny part.

@Troubleshoots: I'm advocating any IDE...just partial sanity.
Offline Grunnt

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« Reply #39 - Posted 2014-03-10 12:26:39 »

Whoa, I kind of knew that but I also did not know that. You are right, of course.

Anyways, using an IDE is definitely very very useful. However, for learning purposes notepad(++ with syntax highlight) + command line works quite well.

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Offline Roquen
« Reply #40 - Posted 2014-03-10 12:52:36 »

Personally I think using an editor + command-line is a poor first choice.  It adds a needless extra complication for a beginner...keep it simple use an IDE which gives you realtime feedback.
Offline Grunnt

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« Reply #41 - Posted 2014-03-10 13:03:42 »

Yeah maybe youre right, depends a bit on the beginner I guess. When I was learning Java I already knew C, Assembly and quite a bit about the hardware and operation system. But if you miss that background it may be a bit too much to start with learning how a virtual machine works etc..

Offline Andre Lopes
« Reply #42 - Posted 2014-03-11 18:09:32 »

No, I genuinely think Netbeans is a bad IDE. Don't tell me I can't hate it, I do because I have used it before and have had bad experiences with it. I like Eclipse better. If you are offended because I do not like your favorite IDE then you need to take a step back and cool off.

You just said you hate Eclipse yourself Andre. Don't be a hipocrite and then tell others not to be one.

WOWOWOWOWO

Where did that come from opiop?
First of all, im not a hipocrite, and i didnt say that you cant hate netbeans, i didnt even mention you, so why are you coming and attacking me personally?

If you dont like me, thats fine but dont come out in the open calling me a hipocrite.

And i dont like to code in eclipse, i just use it to build.I just dont like its interface.Though i know i can change with plugins.But i do prefer netbeans.

What i said, smarty one, is that both IDE's work fine.Its just a matter of choice or what the guy up there said, your first IDE = love.

Period.


"You just said you hate Eclipse yourself Andre. Don't be a hipocrite and then tell others not to be one."

Tell me, where did i specifically said  you cant be a hater? You can hate anything you want.

Im kinda pissed that you called me a hipocrite.And i can get pissed all i want because its my right as a human being and being in a free country.







Offline orange451

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« Reply #43 - Posted 2014-03-11 18:27:18 »

I started with BlueJ, used it for a year, then switched to Eclipse, and never looked back Wink

In my opinion, I think that when you're first starting out with java, it is much easier/nicer to use BlueJ. Why? Because it forces you to learn the language. If your intent is to learn Java to say, take the AP Comp-Sci exam at your school, use BlueJ. But once you've learned most things about the language, then switch to whatever IDE you're most comfortable with Smiley

Things like netbeans/eclipse are really useful for speedy development. But using them can make you pick up some nasty habits (without proper knowledge of Java) :x

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Offline Andre Lopes
« Reply #44 - Posted 2014-03-11 18:30:43 »

I started with BlueJ, used it for a year, then switched to Eclipse, and never looked back Wink

In my opinion, I think that when you're first starting out with java, it is much easier/nicer to use BlueJ. Why? Because it forces you to learn the language. If your intent is to learn Java to say, take the AP Comp-Sci exam at your school, use BlueJ. But once you've learned most things about the language, then switch to whatever IDE you're most comfortable with Smiley

Exactly.
Nobody needs to fight for the better IDE. just learn to use Eclipse and Netbeans and you will be fine.
Then pick the one you like and there you go.


Offline opiop65

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« Reply #45 - Posted 2014-03-11 18:44:16 »

I hate Eclipse with all my beloved hate.

Now, dont come saying eclipse is better because both are good.
What do you call that then? I'm calling you out because you started off by saying you hate Eclipse with all your hate. Then you said no one should hate on other IDEs. I could care less which one is better, because its your opinion and that is fine. But don't be a hypocrite.

Offline Andre Lopes
« Reply #46 - Posted 2014-03-11 18:53:55 »

I hate Eclipse with all my beloved hate.

Now, dont come saying eclipse is better because both are good.
What do you call that then? I'm calling you out because you started off by saying you hate Eclipse with all your hate. Then you said no one should hate on other IDEs. I could care less which one is better, because its your opinion and that is fine. But don't be a hypocrite.

Yes i do hate eclipse because its interface.
But i do know how to use it and i do use it.

Now let me explain something to you, you little troll, attention-seeker.

The fact that i dont like eclipse or hate it ( was a joke but doesnt matter ) doesnt mean that eclipse sucks.
It just mean that I DONT LIKE IT.
I have friends who made exceptional programs on eclipse as i did in netbeans.
Therefore those two IDE's arent a big factor in the outcome of the Project.


What i said was that we dont need to fight over which IDE is best, they all do their job (eclipse/netbeans/intelliJ).
Dont be a ignorant troll.

"Then you said no one should hate on other IDEs"

Where did i say that? Dont put words on my post. Learn to read because i never said that. Your lack of interpretation is preety stupid.

I realize you just trying to piss me off and start a big discussion, but go do that elsewhere kid.And grow up, immature fella.
Offline opiop65

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« Reply #47 - Posted 2014-03-11 19:06:19 »

Andre could you go one post without calling me a troll? Jesus, it's like you're incapable of having a conversation with someone if they say something bad about you in the slightest. I called you a hypocrite, not to piss you off, but to show you that what you said contradicted itself. Whether or not it was a joke is irrelevant, you said it so you have to own up to the fact that you sounded like a hypocrite.

Now, like I said above, I could care less what IDE you like. I just wanted to point out the flaw in your post, which is when you completely contradicted yourself. Maybe I shouldn't have called you a hypocrite, but the past is the past and I cannot change it.

If you are going to say something on the internet, you have to realize you will always annoy someone. The key is not to fly off the handle like you do all the time. Neither of us are in the right here, but I just don't understand why you feel the need to swear at me and call me a troll. Quite obviously I am not or else I would be banned from JGO.

But, of course you will not listen to me because you take my words as a plot to kill you or something ridiculous. You need to understand that most of the time I'm just trying to help you, and that means I have to criticize you sometimes. If someone in real life criticizes you, do you go off on them and call them a "little troll attention seeker"? Because if you do, then you really need to rethink how you treat human beings.

Offline Andre Lopes
« Reply #48 - Posted 2014-03-11 19:11:42 »

Andre could you go one post without calling me a troll? Jesus, it's like you're incapable of having a conversation with someone if they say something bad about you in the slightest. I called you a hypocrite, not to piss you off, but to show you that what you said contradicted itself. Whether or not it was a joke is irrelevant, you said it so you have to own up to the fact that you sounded like a hypocrite.

Now, like I said above, I could care less what IDE you like. I just wanted to point out the flaw in your post, which is when you completely contradicted yourself. Maybe I shouldn't have called you a hypocrite, but the past is the past and I cannot change it.

If you are going to say something on the internet, you have to realize you will always annoy someone. The key is not to fly off the handle like you do all the time. Neither of us are in the right here, but I just don't understand why you feel the need to swear at me and call me a troll. Quite obviously I am not or else I would be banned from JGO.

But, of course you will not listen to me because you take my words as a plot to kill you or something ridiculous. You need to understand that most of the time I'm just trying to help you, and that means I have to criticize you sometimes. If someone in real life criticizes you, do you go off on them and call them a "little troll attention seeker"? Because if you do, then you really need to rethink how you treat human beings.

I'm calling you out because you started off by saying you hate Eclipse with all your hate. Then you said no one should hate on other IDEs.

"Then you said no one should hate on other IDEs. "

Where did i say that?

C mon , show me.
You are wrong this time.And you know it.

If i had said :

"I hate eclipse.Stop hating other IDE's because you are all idiots"

Then you would be right.But i didnt so i don got to own anything.



Offline opiop65

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« Reply #49 - Posted 2014-03-11 19:14:01 »



Then tell me Andre, what is it you are saying here?

Offline Andre Lopes
« Reply #50 - Posted 2014-03-11 19:21:00 »



Then tell me Andre, what is it you are saying here?

"I hate eclipse..."

"Dont come saying eclipse is better -Let me add this- THAN something else"

Now lets understand what that means.

I first mean that eclipse dont have such a large advantage over any other IDE that it makes others useless.Though i do like some advanced features that im unsure netbeans have.
What i also mean is that IDE's wars is useless. Like this arguments.

So, lets read again :

"DONT COME SAYING ECLIPSE IS BETTER"
"BOTH ARE GOOD"

"BOTH
ARE
GOOD"

Both netbeans and eclipse are good, im not taking any sides. I like both IDE's though i hate eclipse interface.

Get it? I hope i was clear on this, though if you think im a hypocrite, i dont care, i was preety clear here.

Offline opiop65

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« Reply #51 - Posted 2014-03-11 19:22:53 »

Excuse me, read the first damn line you posted.

I hate Eclipse with all my beloved hate.

You clearly said right there that you hated Eclipse.

I'm done, this is getting ridiculous. If you're just going to keep going in circles and denying what you clearly posted then this argument has no value because you will refuse to accept what I have said. Have a nice day.

Offline Andre Lopes
« Reply #52 - Posted 2014-03-11 19:28:40 »

Excuse me, read the first damn line you posted.

I hate Eclipse with all my beloved hate.

You clearly said right there that you hated Eclipse.

I'm done, this is getting ridiculous. If you're just going to keep going in circles and denying what you clearly posted then this argument has no value because you will refuse to accept what I have said. Have a nice day.

Im not denying anything.

I do hate eclipse interface.Its too much purple for me and i cant read the code properly.

But both IDE's are good,in my opinion.PERIOD.

I like them both.

Wheres the hipocrisy on that?

You could say that im a hypocrite for hating it and using it and enjoying using it for android and web builds ( which i do). Then i totally agree.

But say that im a hipocryte for saying that i hate its interface and saying they are both good, its non-sense.

Tell me. When i ever went after your posts and started calling you things? Never. Because i dont like making others look bad or anything. So yeah.

Im also a bit pissed with RL stuff so i may have replied to your argument a bit "enrageous" if that word even exists, Im sorry for that.

But i wasnt hipocryte.You cant say i am one for saying that i hate your IDE. I just hate its interface though. I do.I cant change how i feel because it is how i feel.Jesus dude.But as i said,both IDE's are good, the fact that i dont like it doesnt mean that we should all fight in some forum or anything at all.We dont have to go around calling other names for that.
Thats what i meant with : "Dont come saying eclipse is better BECAUSE BOTH ARE GOOD"

Both have advantages.Period.*In my opinion*

I like you opiop, really, but sometimes you get on my nerves when you come calling me stuff when you are mis-interpreting what i said.

Im sorry if i hurted your feelings im not in a good mood today.
But i still stand up for this, i wasnt hipocryte for the reason you described but maybe for saying that i hate it and still use it.

Are we okay now?


Offline opiop65

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« Reply #53 - Posted 2014-03-11 19:30:31 »

We are fine Andre, like I said earlier I'm just trying to help you just like people help me sometimes too. I shouldn't have called you a hypocrite, I'm sorry for that.

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« Reply #54 - Posted 2014-03-11 19:37:13 »

Andre, why do you hate eclipse? I acknowledge some have a preference, but I never have found someone who hates it. What flaw brought you to this?

-wes

Offline Andre Lopes
« Reply #55 - Posted 2014-03-11 19:45:17 »

Andre, why do you hate eclipse? I acknowledge some have a preference, but I never have found someone who hates it. What flaw brought you to this?

-wes

I used the word "hate" which is too strong, i didnt realize it would have such an impact.
Anyway, i dont like eclipse because of its interface.
I get lost real easily with it.

Though i like android cap in it and i do like its web capabilities as well.

I tried changing interface before and it didnt help.

But i do use it. Call me hipo for that haha. '-' Cheesy
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« Reply #56 - Posted 2014-03-11 19:46:12 »

Why fighting over which IDE is the best?
I switched from Eclipse to NetBeans some time ago, so what?
Fighting over this is like fighting over which engine/graphic api is the best Roll Eyes

In the end it is you who decides what you do with it or how you use it Smiley
Offline saucymeatman
« Reply #57 - Posted 2014-03-11 19:46:59 »

If the colors hurt your eyes, goto the eclipse settings or you can download a theme.
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« Reply #58 - Posted 2014-03-11 19:48:05 »

Fighting over this is like fighting over which engine/graphic api is the best Roll Eyes

Oh well we had that too Wink

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Offline Andre Lopes
« Reply #59 - Posted 2014-03-11 19:48:23 »

If the colors hurt your eyes, goto the eclipse settings or you can download a theme.


I tried but i couldnt make a copy of NB theme lol.
But i can use it np.

Though i wanted to try oracle IDE, forgot the name...
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