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Offline Slyth2727
« Posted 2013-11-30 20:11:01 »

On all forums I have ever been to or been a part of I have always seen the members with a higher title or whatever the ranking system may be on said forum look down on the new members or the low to mid rank members. I think that people need to understand that just because a person is new to a forum doesn't mean that he or she doesn't know anything. For all you know this person could be a veteran programmer with a decade or more of experience than you.

Now, I am in no way trying to offend anybody with these ranks or titles. I myself am not of a high rank on the forum. And, by having these titles you have proved that you are experienced and a smart programmer, however there is always someone out there better than you. Always. I'd like everybody to keep this in mind while they are on the internet and even while they are out there in the real world.

“When I look at a person, I see a person - not a rank, not a class, not a title.”
― Criss Jami

This is a great quote in my opinion.

This is my two cents on the topic.
Go on with your day.

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Offline Troubleshoots

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Damn maths.


« Reply #1 - Posted 2013-11-30 20:36:50 »

From my experience on this forum, a user's reputation doesn't seem to effect their 'status'. By that I mean that users with low reputation don't seem to get looked down on. This is a unique forum in my opinion. The common user's intent of using this forum is not to increase their rank on the social ladder, but to both gather and to spread knowledge. Some high-reputation users don't have years of experience, likewise some low-reputation users don't have years of experience and vise-versa.

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Offline jonjava
« Reply #2 - Posted 2013-11-30 22:45:45 »

What are you talking about? I don't recall this ever being an issue on JGO.

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Offline opiop65

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« Reply #3 - Posted 2013-11-30 23:10:50 »

Exactly, in my year of being on this forum I've never seen anyone be discriminated by their rank. Sure, some people talk down to others, but that's just their personality, and has nothing to do with their rank. You have to realize this is the internet, and some people will not be nice. This forum is unique in the fact that most of the people on here are rather intelligent and have lots of experience and are willing to help others. Some people have answered the same question many times over and over, so their responses because robotic, that may be why you think the more experienced members and talking down to people, when in reality its just because the question has already been answered.

Offline Slyth2727
« Reply #4 - Posted 2013-11-30 23:13:54 »

@opiop65
Good point actually. Responding to something a million times does become boring.
I didn't really mean this community but mostly other forums and real life as well. Just trying to make a point.

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Offline wessles

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« Reply #5 - Posted 2013-11-30 23:14:46 »

An excellent example of this is paulscode. Only a senior, and yet has made (IMHO) the best sound system java has!

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Offline Mads

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One for all!


« Reply #6 - Posted 2013-12-01 02:23:12 »

I'm a ninja and I did nothing noteworthy. It's really a matter of long-term activity, more than expertise. Smiley

Offline opiop65

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« Reply #7 - Posted 2013-12-01 03:49:53 »

I'm a ninja and I did nothing noteworthy. It's really a matter of long-term activity, more than expertise. Smiley
Exactly, I just finished my first game, yet I have the most medals this month (28 so far) and am a wizard now! I'm not some super guru at all, in fact I've only been programming for three years, but its just the commitment and my love for at least trying to help others that has allowed me to get the high rank on this forum. I still like to be fun sometimes and I enjoy answering people's questions, but I have seen a lot of threads about the same thing, or threads where I did one Google search and brought up an answer... if someone doesn't research first I won't be as helpful or friendly, because it honestly kind of annoys me. I understand everyone starts off small, but come on, almost every browser out there has a quick and easy way to Google something.

Offline ReBirth
« Reply #8 - Posted 2013-12-01 04:12:54 »

I'm a kernel and I can't create proper MVC pom without archetype.

Offline ctomni231

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« Reply #9 - Posted 2013-12-01 08:01:36 »

Well, I have to hand it to you Riven, changing the forum ranking system actually did exactly what you expected it to. It reduced spam (somewhat) and is actually encouraging people to help out each other more.

This forum is unique, but I think it is because people who aren't really interested in development don't get past the front gate. Case and point, you get a forum where everyone is invested in the improvement of development. If I were to be honest, this is actually one of the biggest plain Java developer forums currently. It just happens Java development has a lot of things to do with gaming.

About the new blood...

Regardless, I do wish sometimes that people would dig a little bit on the forums and web when they have a question. I mean, sometimes, people are very quick to start up a new thread. Most of the time, if you typed those exact same problems in the JGO or Google Search bar, you'd find a whole lot of topics for that situation. I still can't pinpoint whether this happens because of frustration, trolling, or just laziness. Maybe it is a mixture of all three... I dunno.

All I can say is that I don't think I ever had to ask a legitimate question when it came to coding here. Just typing in the right keywords usually led me straight to the answer. The funny part is, the more I read, the more of a varied opinion I got. I learned a lot more than I would have if I were to get it directly.

To put it a different way, you get a lot more knowledge looking for treasure, than having someone bring it to you. There is some joy avoiding a trap, crossing the forest, and avoid the tiger on the way finding the treasure. Alas, there is some joy to be found digging through the threads, finding answers to problems not discovered yet. In my coding, I'm able to avoid a lot of mistakes because I read about them before I got to them.

Closing

I know for me, it isn't about the medals, rank, or even looking down at other people. I believe there is something that can be learned even from the new people. The forum has a pretty wide mask, it completely shields us so no one knows who we really are. In some cases, it is great because we are able to have conversation with people we wouldn't know otherwise... (even if it is just a quick response).

What I would suggest for people who are new is to always search for answers. Don't expect everything to always land on your lap, and you'll go a long way into solving problems. Trust me, great programmers are measured by the lengths they go to find the answer to problems. If you want to improve your skills, always be willing to search for it. 100% of the time, you'll learn a lot more than a direct answer.

The other side is that you'll eat "flak" from higher ranks a lot less. People won't think of you as lazy, or a "troll". They would be a lot quicker to answer your responses, because you spent time doing the research. When you speak about the subject, you'll be much more in-tune with the lingo and the answers you get will be a lot more exact. I do not ever condone mistreatment of any member, but it truly helps if the new member shows a little effort into solving the question. 

So please, consider creating a "new thread" the last resort after you've exhausted all other options. Sometimes, the journey taken to get there offers greater knowledge than the answer itself.


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Offline Rayexar

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« Reply #10 - Posted 2013-12-01 14:01:39 »

I'm low ranked on this forum but I haven't experienced the problem of high ranks looking down on me, or other people because of their rank. People seem very nice here Smiley , that's why I love JGO, even though I don't post too much (I browse this forum almost daily)
Offline ra4king

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I'm the King!


« Reply #11 - Posted 2014-01-11 15:29:42 »

I judge people based on how many grammatical errors are in their posts. Grin



Also, terribly sorry to revive a 1-month old thread, but I'm going through 17 pages of unread JGO stuff Cheesy

Online matheus23

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« Reply #12 - Posted 2014-01-11 15:42:46 »

I judge people based on how many grammatical errors are in their posts.

Meh... I really don't like that. As a non-native-english speaker this is sometimes not easy. There can be two persons, both being equivalently intelligent, but one grew up in England/America and is therefore able to speak and write english fluently, and the other person grew up in - for example - Russia, where you aren't forced to learn english in school.

My Mother is from Russia and hasn't learned english in school. She can't speak english very well...
My Farther is from Germany, but back a couple of decades ago, he didn't need to choose to learn english in school, and so he chose french. Later he learned English by going to an English course for adults and by reading English books, but yeah...

I myself am 'lucky' that I live in the time of today, where I learn English in school from the first grade on. But still, I'm certainly not a perfect English speaker and I don't think I'll ever be, unless I spend a little time abroad.

I hope you understand my point and probably change your attitude towards people making grammatical mistakes in english. Smiley

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Offline Phibedy

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« Reply #13 - Posted 2014-01-11 15:43:37 »

I judge people based on how many grammatical errors are in their posts.
Also, Terribly sorry to revive a 1-month old thread, but I'm going through 17 pages of unread JGO stuff Cheesy
Never that is why I mistakes make!
Offline ra4king

JGO Kernel


Medals: 322
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I'm the King!


« Reply #14 - Posted 2014-01-11 15:47:41 »

I hope you understand my point and probably change your attitude towards people making grammatical mistakes in english. Smiley
Well it was mostly a joke but I meant it towards people who actually LIVE in an English-speaking country. Foreigners are exempt from the rule Smiley

Online matheus23

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« Reply #15 - Posted 2014-01-11 15:48:57 »

I hope you understand my point and probably change your attitude towards people making grammatical mistakes in english. Smiley
Well it was mostly a joke but I meant it towards people who actually LIVE in an English-speaking country. Foreigners are exempt from the rule Smiley

Oh, I feel reliefet now Smiley Tongue

EDIT: Apropos unread:

 persecutioncomplex Roll Eyes

Not going to read it, though ^^

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Offline MatthewNicholls

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« Reply #16 - Posted 2014-01-11 17:59:44 »

I am English and English is the only language I know Wink. I'am dyslexic and really struggle with spelling and am not good a proof reading my mistakes Roll Eyes. I often make typos and all sorts of errors Shocked. So when someone who is trying to communicate in English, no matter how bad it is or how many mistakes they make I don't mind one bit Cool. I don't like it when people judge Cranky you for how you write or speak. Cry  However if I make mistakes and errors in code it is fine and to point it out Pointing.  (please do!)

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Offline opiop65

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« Reply #17 - Posted 2014-01-11 19:09:44 »

I don't think anyone here judges on grammar, unless like Davedes said, you're a native English speaker and you have terrible grammar.

Offline Slyth2727
« Reply #18 - Posted 2014-01-11 19:37:39 »

I don't think anyone here judges on grammar, unless like Davedes said, you're a native English speaker and you have terrible grammar.
Can u helpz me hack teh  internetz wif jaffa pleez?
 Roll Eyes

How would one know that you're a native English speaker? Hell for all you guys know I'm a time travelling Irish terrorist from the future bent on taking down the world's leaders.
But I do agree with what you say there.

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Online Drenius
« Reply #19 - Posted 2014-01-11 20:47:12 »

Quote
Can u helpz me hack teh  internetz wif jaffa pleez?
But there is a difference between wrong grammar, mostly caused by not being english, and alienated (right word?) english.
Offline Slyth2727
« Reply #20 - Posted 2014-01-11 21:43:09 »

But there is a difference between wrong grammar, mostly caused by not being english, and alienated (right word?) english.

Of course, I was just saying that to be immature Smiley Everyone has their moments, right?

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Offline quew8

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« Reply #21 - Posted 2014-01-12 01:12:15 »

First of all, I am anal when it comes to grammar (although I don't really care about spelling) , I abhor any mistake I make and have too try very hard not to point them out in my friends. But a language exists to communicate. That's actually its purpose and its origin. I mean look at all the irregular verbs in every single language. So a lot of the things that people don't bother with / make mistakes on only exist because people were too lazy to bother with. In short language is there to communicate with. As long as that's happening it's all good for me. I shall finish with a quote from Moliere:

"If you are making yourself understood, then you are always speaking well."
Online Drenius
« Reply #22 - Posted 2014-01-12 01:23:37 »

This is true...
Language wasn't even the original topic, so let us return to it.
Offline ReBirth
« Reply #23 - Posted 2014-01-18 15:57:24 »

Hey, I feel insulted Angry lol j/k

And hey, the last time I visited JGO was last year Wink

Offline Andre Lopes
« Reply #24 - Posted 2014-01-20 03:20:11 »

When i started in this forum , some guys here told me to give up and go use Game Maker.

Yeah.Im about to finish my first 2D game.

..
In Java and Libgdx.
Deal with it.
Online Agro
« Reply #25 - Posted 2014-01-20 03:21:28 »

some people just stand out more than others Cheesy

Offline HeroesGraveDev

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« Reply #26 - Posted 2014-01-20 04:14:00 »

When i started in this forum , some guys here told me to give up and go use Game Maker.

Yeah.Im about to finish my first 2D game.

..
In Java and Libgdx.
Deal with it.

In my defence, as I was one of the people you are referring to, you had made ~20 topics in Newbie/Debugging questions, all of which could've been solved by simple debugging. And that was why someone originally recommended it to you.

And then you posted some sarcastic comment, I replied to it pretending to take you seriously, and then the whole thread collapsed into a flame war.

But that is long behind everyone.

Nevertheless, congratulations on getting this far. Pointing

Offline Oskuro

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Coding in Style


« Reply #27 - Posted 2014-01-20 18:50:30 »

I'm a ninja and I did nothing noteworthy.

But that's what a good ninja would want everyone to assume!  persecutioncomplex


More on topic: This is, by far, one of the less vitriolic forums I've participated in. And I pay more attention to the medals than to the rank, anyway.

Offline Andre Lopes
« Reply #28 - Posted 2014-01-20 19:34:42 »

When i started in this forum , some guys here told me to give up and go use Game Maker.

Yeah.Im about to finish my first 2D game.

..
In Java and Libgdx.
Deal with it.

In my defence, as I was one of the people you are referring to, you had made ~20 topics in Newbie/Debugging questions, all of which could've been solved by simple debugging. And that was why someone originally recommended it to you.

And then you posted some sarcastic comment, I replied to it pretending to take you seriously, and then the whole thread collapsed into a flame war.

But that is long behind everyone.

Nevertheless, congratulations on getting this far. Pointing

Everything was new to me.Before dermet/robin started making videos of libgdx, i had to learn all from myself and outdated tutorials.
The documentation wasnt explaining right and i had never made a game before.
So Yeah.

Its the past.

Offline Andre Lopes
« Reply #29 - Posted 2014-01-20 21:27:29 »

Past my ass :

Quote
Quote from: opiop65 on 23 minutes ago
Why don't you just research it. There are so many resources out there that will tell you exactly what you want to know.


Everytime i make a topic, he goes there and post that.

In this topic, i am currently researching everything in google but since my openGl bible havent arrived from amazon, im currently obligated to use google.


Opiop, Whats up dude? Do you think your little medals makes you superior to everyone else?

JGO KERNEL ==  JGO STUPID ARROGANT TROLL.

You wanted to piss me, you got it.
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