Wurm Online

[Markus_Persson]

I get a 404 on the GLSLvalidate thing. =/
It seems like the most useful one of the two, as the other one just emulates nvidia cards.

I heard some rumors of the water looking "special" in the area where the sun would normally be reflected on ati cards, so that indicates something's happening with the faked HDR rendering for the sun at least, but I haven't gotten a screenshot of it yet to confirm.

I'll keep trying to fix it. =)

[Spasi]

If the problem was bad code, it would fail at compile time.

When writing a shader, both NVEmulate's "Strict Shader Portability Warnings" and 3DLabs' GLSL Validate are very helpful (if you're developing on NV hardware). Unfortunately, ATI has a perfect GLSL compiler (IIRC, they used the open source one from 3DLabs...), but (what seems like) a very bad linker/optimizer. So, no matter how well-formed your shader is, it still has to pass through there.

[Markus_Persson]

That doesn't mean I can't try to find workarounds for it. =D

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[Spasi]

I was replying to AndersDahlberg.

As for workarounds, if you make sure it's a shader problem, try reordering the operations (without breaking the result ). It sometimes helps with ATI cards. NV cards are not affected, they always produce the same order of low-level ops, depending on the card profile.

[AndersDahlberg]

I get a 404 on the GLSLvalidate thing. =/
It seems like the most useful one of the two, as the other one just emulates nvidia cards.

The link works now.

[Markus_Persson]

Ah great, thanks. =)

And because I'm incapable of not posting a screenshot, I won't not post one:

[bgilb]

Really cool game man, i especially like the GUI

[f.l.x]

Launches ok, runs fine untill i click on play, then there is a black error window titled "wrong jogl version", but I have the "july 12" release installed.

I have ran the game before, a month ago or so, whithout jogl localy installed (webstart downloaded the jogl components on the fly back then) and it ran great, but i've updated my video card and i would like to see how it does

[tom]

How did you "install" jogl? NEVER copy files into the jre/jdk folders as it will cause conflicts. Delete any files you've copied into the jre folders and try again.

[f.l.x]

I did that to run art of illusion with opengl and to code with jogl without having to add the library and classpath properties on every launch, but i'll look for some other solution, thanks.
btw, shouldn't webstart override the installed jogl and load his own?

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[kappa]

Ah great, thanks. =)

And because I'm incapable of not posting a screenshot, I won't not post one:

wow, thats beutiful, i've a screenshot where the sun is reflected in the water which looks very nice and think it would look very nice as a background, got any high res screenshots?

[barfy]

Ah great, thanks. =)

And because I'm incapable of not posting a screenshot, I won't not post one:

Very nice.

I'm curious - what are you using to generate soft shadows for the trees in the screenshot? Are those dynamic or they just static lightmaps?

[Riven]

Lightmaps

[Vorax]

It really does look amazing.  I haven't tried it in a while.  I am going to have to give it a whirl after work.

[hvor2]

Beautifull.
Some one year ago I started to code in Java, and wurm was my first inspiration for making games in java. I'm curious too - do you make trees in some 3d modeling tool of build them in your code? What about other objects?

[Markus_Persson]

Going gold June 1.

* Markus_Persson spends too little time on jgo these days.

[darkprophet]

Tried Wurm today (the update is installing, so not sure about the game), but in the jnlp, you specify "1.4.2* 1.5*" and your forgetting the 1.6 peeps.

Changing that to 1.4+ solved that

DP

[Markus_Persson]

1.6 isn't final yet, and there are bugs in it that break wurm.

Anyway, here's a recent (and bug free) screenshot of the new client test. :-D

[woogley]

that is an amazing screenshot!

you (and the wurm community) really have created your own little world ;P

[noblemaster]

Looks amazing 

[darkprophet]

I can see BLOOOM! Very nice; you seriously need some AA tho (look at the trees in the distance)

DP

[f.l.x]

it looks great! amazing.

[Breakfast]

I did a search for "sun" on google images and on the first page was a picture of Wurm...

[Markus_Persson]

darkprophet:

yeah, I guess those are pretty ugly.
Hmm, perhaps I can do alpha blending instead of depth testing, and still get decent results.


Breakfast:

Whoa, haha. Cool.

[darkprophet]

Depth testing? Or did you mean alpha testing ? If I was in a similar situation, i would use a combination of alpha testing and blending, make the edges of the leaves or whatnot slightly alpha to get a nice light scattering effect.

Or you could just implement sub surface scattering using ramp shaders, hint hint

DP

[darkprophet]

Wooo, Wurm got 4 stars in The Linux Game Tome http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Wurm%20Online. Well done!

DP

[kappa]

doesn't work on java 1.6 or at least the jnlp is set not to work with it!
i know 1.6 isn't final yet but i'd be nice if it could with all the performance improvements in 1.6,
besides only ppl running 1.6 are probably developers and could potentially help you iron out any problems with 1.6 and wurm.

[Markus_Persson]

all the terrain lower than 0 on the map turns into extremely tall terrain, like the short isn't signed.
I assume this is a bug in nio in java 1.6, but quite frankly, I don't feel very interested in finding out what causes it.. the game is unplayable (all lakes turns into huge plateaus), so I'd rather just disallow it, especially since we're going gold in two weeks.


Any developer who really wants to help debug java 1.6 by running wurm is free to do so by downloading the jnlp and modifying it to allow 1.6. :-)

[Markus_Persson]

[size=20pt]We're gold, by the way. :-D[/size]



Five euros per month, one euro per silver coin. Seems to be going very well so far.

[Timedancer]

Really nice job on the game. Its encouraging to see what you can do with Java and JOGL. JWS seems to be working well in this context, no trouble setting up the game or logging in.  I’ve been playing for a few days, and subscribed and bought some silver coins.

On the graphics options, most didn’t make a huge visible difference. The exception is turning the shaders on, with cloud and hills reflection. Really adds to the nice job you have done with the sky. Not much performance difference, except for large textures. That drops the framerate from about 15fps to 4fps. That could be the flaky AGP driver I have on that machine though, it causes all sorts of odd problems.

Large textures off is still OK for me graphically. I get used to the oddities like non animated chars and NPCs pretty quickly, and the gameplay is very good. Real tough even gathering enough food in the early days, but that feels right for a bunch of pioneers in a new world. I see someone just opened a restaurant, so I expect things will get easier and more civilized.

Looking forward to seeing how it goes.