Wurm Online

[Markus_Persson]

The  game isn't properly packaged yet, and we're still  playing around with the certificates, so the download will  be a bit large at times.

Those training messages are just for testing, yes. We don't have any real world or inventory  interaction, and we wanted to test the skills early on, so the server just raises skills at random.

As for the FPS, I think I located  a potential bottleneck (can't test until I get back home).. I do half a dozen thousand sin()'s per frame.

[benny]

Wow, looks pretty good now! But when I turned the graphics up high, I was stuck at a lousy 15 fps. Butterflies! They looks like the ones in Splinter Cell!.

Can't join the server though.

Tip: I think that the close (X) buttons on the Swing windows will look better if you disable paintFocus.

[Markus_Persson]

Sorry about the lack of proper updates.


We've been focusing mostly on client/server communications lately.

The server should be fairly stable and up and running now for a while (= a week or two).

I'm currently working on reducing the traffic needed to stream the terrain from the server so the client only knows about the map nearest to him, but it's not exactly a trivial task. =/


Next up on the eye-candy front is proper water (streams, waterfalls and lakes at different altitudes), weather (rain, lightning, and maybe snow even though it probably won't be in the final game) and proper models for the character avatars.

I pushed the "smaller" cosmetic fixes like the flower bunching and GUI tweaks ahead a bit. We need to reach more milestones, so I'll be focusing on "broader" client tasks.

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[GergisKhan]

Markus,

I hear EXACTLY what you're saying.  I'm finding it hard to deal with myself.... oh, and btw, ARMI rocks.

[Markus_Persson]

Yeah, we considered using that for a while, as it ran circles around our own RMI over UDP package. =)

Now we're back to just plain TCP, however. We're going to have to do a LOT of benchmarking at one point.
If wurm ends up as laggy as, say, Project: Entropia, all the nice graphics in the world won't save it.

[pedro]

Hello everyone.

I tried running Wurm from the JavaStart and it complaints about my openGL not being 1.4.  I then downloaded the new drivers from nvidia, but still it says I  have openGl 1.2  

If I tick the "ignore check version" box, I don't see any textures and the entire world is just gray, which is interesting but not that fun  

My computer is a 850 Mhz laptop with GeForce2 Go. Does anyone know any reason why this is happening? Doesn't the new detonator drivers from nvidia have the newest opengl?

If some one could shed some light, I would really appreaciate. And btw, I keep bumping into some really amazing stuff in this java world. Really cool  

[Markus_Persson]

The GeForce2 go probably just sucks.

[Markus_Persson]

I integrated Dodgy's model loader/skeletal animation classes into the main client build. You'll now see other logged in players are strangely colored 3d humans instead of those flat sprites.

Screenshot: (click to enlarge)

[dodgy]

Sorry for the dorky looking model, we will get better ones as soon as a good graphics guys falls from the sky.

Thanks to TarmTarm who helped me with a nasty hard to find bug.

/d

[Themroc]

I'm sitting in front of this Linux box and have no idea what gfx chip and drivers it has installed, anyway, I get an error msg when I try your game:
Error starting Wurm Online: Illegally formatted OpenGL version identifier: "1.2 Mesa 3.4.2"

Hm ... I had this box get runnig the Gears demo 5 min. ago from the java-gaming.org site, but not much more so far, anyway, get happy with the error msg ;-)


P.S.: How do I find out the HW-config of a Linux box when I have no admin rights? (Better give me some shell command, as the desktop is "secured" and I had trouble enough opening a shell and installing J1.4.2 here ...)

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[benny]

Error starting Wurm Online: Illegally formatted OpenGL version identifier: "1.2 Mesa 3.4.2"

I don't think Mesa is true OpenGL. Isn't it like a software rendering version of it?

tried running Wurm from the JavaStart and it complaints about my openGL not being 1.4.  I then downloaded the new drivers from nvidia, but still it says I  have openGl 1.2    

I recently downloaded the Detonator XP drivers from NVIDIA for my Geforce 4 MX 440 SE. It says I have OpenGL 1.4. All Detonator XP drivers should have OpenGL 1.4

[troggan]

Yep, MESA is the Software Renderer. You need your Admin to get a OpenGL Driver installed. Good look

[benny]

Cool, server's running but when its nighttime you can't really see anything. Seriously, one time i thought that the game didn't even load. Then I saw the stars.   Maybe you could provide a torch?

[Markus_Persson]

Yeah, I know.. I raised the ambient light a bit until we get around to implementing light sources.


Btw, there are now 50 mobs hanging around the central plate. They're not very chatty, but they stress test the model rendering methods quite nicely. =)

[sugarshark]

How do I find out the HW-config of a Linux box when I have no admin rights? (Better give me some shell command, as the desktop is "secured" and I had trouble enough opening a shell and installing J1.4.2 here ...)

There are a lot of informational files in the /proc directory.
For example try this:

1   2   3

cat /proc/pci cat /proc/cpuinfo cat /proc/interrupts

If you have an nvidia card:

1	cat /proc/driver/nvidia/cards/*

Explore the other files in /proc by yourself. You also can see a list of loaded modules (drivers) by calling:

1	/sbin/lsmod

[sugarshark]

Btw, Markus: Wurm did once run on my Linux box, but now it terminates just after opening it's main window with: "Error starting Wurm Online: Error making context current".
I'm trying to start it in a window with OpenGL check enabled.
I have a Nvidia card with nvidia OpenGL and JDK 1.4.2.

[selendic]

It runs on my Suse8.2 + Nvidia nicely. (disclaimer: I haven't tried it for 5 days). I had the same err message, but when I put my Linux box in 16 color mode, it works perfectly. However, Markus, newer versions give me strange results on my new 3 GHz, hyperthreading, NVidia FX 5600 256 MG with newest drivers, Windows XP SP1 box. It starts around 20 FPS and newer goes more than 50,55. I have yet to install Suse onto that beast, so I don't know for Linux FPS. On my old 2.4 GHz Linux with NVidia 4200, I've had >70 FPS! What on earth am I doing wrong? Is opengl that much slower on Windoze? Or newer versions of Wurm are that much slower?

[Markus_Persson]

The absoluetely latest version of wurm is extremely slow, as the new dynamic clouds code is running at full detail.

[sugarshark]

I had the same err message, but when I put my Linux box in 16 color mode, it works perfectly.

Ahh, ok, mine runs at 24 bits color depth. It's probably the old problem, X reports a depth of 24 but really has a 32 bit framebuffer.

[benny]

There's something really wrong with the resolution and refresh rate of the game in fullscreen. My monitor keeps saying overange even though my monitor can support up to 1024x768 resolution at 75 Hz. Help!! I hate window mode.

[Markus_Persson]

Yeah.. it uses the best refresh rate it can find, so it's probably trying to use 100hz or some other insane rate.

The fullscreen code isn't exactly final yet, as I pretty much exclusively play it in windowed mode.
(makes debugging it a tad easier. )


Plans for this weekend: Clean up the cloud-code, add rain and thunder. Probably finally implement proper streams and bodies of water.

[Markus_Persson]

There, now it uses the lowest refresh rate it can find instead.

Uploaded a new version that has constant rain.

[troggan]

Setting the refreshrate to the lowest it finds ?! now it rans with 60 hz on my pc.
can't you add the mhz to the selector in the options-menu? or try to find a resolution with 75/85 hz and use that ?

troggan

[Markus_Persson]

You're just going to have to live with 60 hz for now. ;P

[Markus_Persson]

Yeah, lightning and rivers didn't really happen.. I got sidetracked writing an erosion engine for the landscape creation for some reason.

I was looking for articles on generating rivers on a heightmap and, well, it all went downhill from there.




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[swpalmer]

I just tried the latest version.. now I get an error message sometimes when I move the console window around or switch the focus to it.  This happens after walking around for a bit, or right away...
"Error starting Wurm Online: Error swapping buffers", press OK and the game goes bye bye.
Is this a JOGL problem?

[Markus_Persson]

I certainly hope so. =/

The exception comes from jogl, but I'm not certain if it's my fault or if jogl just isn't as awt/swing friendly as it claims.

[Orangy Tang]

I get the error swapping buffers exception infrequently in my own Jogl project, seems to be brought about by simple things like resizing the window or alt-tabbing, so i think its a Jogl bug..

[selendic]

Ups, very strange. Windows download says 1.6 Meg, Linux 2.2 Meg. And Linux never finishes. It says "corupted jar" or something like that. Btw. Linux Web start is working, I've downloaded few other programs without a glitch.  Help, Markus! I want to test my new machine!

[Markus_Persson]

I re-uploaded all the lib jars in case any of them were broken.. Try now.