This has been kept surprisingly quiet...

[princec]

http://servlet.java.sun.com/javaone/sf2003/conf/sessions/display-2125.en.jsp

It can only be a Good Thing. It's not really in competition with LWJGL whatever it is, so don't get in a kerfuffle about that.

Cas

[shawnkendall]

What's more, I am not familiar with of any of these guys from the typcial 3D Java graphics groups circles and conference activity.

Anyone comment of this?  Are any of you guys watching this forum?  You know these guys Jeff?

[princec]

(And an aside - nice of them to consult the community about it first, wasn't it...)

Cas :-/

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[Herkules]

Quiet? It was the first thing I saw when I looked up the J1 schedule....

But I was also wondering what they wanted to talk about. Maybe just summerizing GL4Java and LWJGL efforts?

[princec]

I was kinda under the impression they've just decided to create their own effort. I hope they've done the decent thing and settled on GL4Java with a view to keeping it up to date and fixing the bugs. It would be great if GL4Java became part of the J2SE. Not that I'd use it though

Cas

[William]

I do believe that Kenneth Russell, the first speaker on the list and someone who has held similar sessions (http://servlet.java.sun.com/javaone/sf2002/conf/sessions/display-3167.en.jsp)  at earlier JavaOnes, has posted a couple of times on these forums. I think he responded to some requests that Cas had about adding some performance functionality to the JVM (like escape analysis). It's nice to see that Apple appears to be on board for this session too.

[Jeff]

Yes,

I know Ken pretty well.  Hes been an advocate for performance feaatures in the VM (he really is the father of Native Byte Buffers) as ewll as having been a long standing advocate for Sun getting behind OGL.

He knows the primary gl4java developer pretty well and worked with him on the 1.4 upgrades to that library.

I do know he has been working on a bindings project of his own on his own time, I suspect thats what this talk is about but I don't know anything beyond that.

JK

[princec]

Aha. Could you perchance point Ken at the "structs" RFE for me? I think he'd like it.

Cas

[blahblahblahh]

Yes,

I know Ken pretty well.  Hes been an advocate for performance feaatures in the VM (he really is the father of Native Byte Buffers) as ewll as having been a long standing advocate for Sun getting behind OGL.

He doesn't happen to be the same guy I read about ages ago, that pushed hard for the 8 basic datatypes to be included in the JLS, rather than make Java a "purely" OO-language (i.e. only Object's allowed).

Whoever that person is, I've spent most of the last 8 years simultaneously cursing and worshipping them. Cursing for some of the hacks that Java *still* has to try and accomodate having basic datatypes in an Object world (although in most cases I believe they were less of an inevitability, and more a reflection that not everyone was enamoured of the BDT's - and perhaps rather hoped they'd go away?), and praising for their very existence (life would be hard if you couldn't have new int[ 10000 ][ 10000 ]).

Uh, yeah, and the [ ] type is also highly appreciated. If everything had to be a Collection... Argghhhh!