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Offline chosen01

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Packet monster.


« Posted 2005-02-09 03:00:30 »

Just wondering what IDE does everyone uses.  I have looked at netbeans but it can get really annoying, is it the most powerfull free IDE out their?  Or are there any others?

-Thanks

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Offline K.I.L.E.R

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Java games rock!


« Reply #1 - Posted 2005-02-09 05:02:59 »

Eclipse.

It can generate delegates, getters and setters(optionally, unlike NetBeans), you can move methods up and down a class hierarchy, you can extract interfaces and God knows what else you can do, but it's the most powerful IDE I've ever seen.

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Offline c_lilian

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« Reply #2 - Posted 2005-02-09 06:25:27 »

for J2SE programming, you can also have a look at jbuilder 2005 foundation (free, even for commercial use if i remember well).
JSP/J2EE requires a commercial license (developer license or more)

It includes ant support, a good debugger and a very good swing gui builder.
(i don't work for borland, but used jbuilder for quite a long time for my previous job)

Now I'm also evaluating other ide, including IDEA, eclipse and Netbeans.

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Offline blahblahblahh

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« Reply #3 - Posted 2005-02-09 07:41:09 »

look back through the first few pages of this forum and you'll find a poll with all the pro and anti arguments (there are several threads on this).

Don't start a new one, go and append to an old one. And don't just repeate everything that was said before! Smiley

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Offline chosen01

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Packet monster.


« Reply #4 - Posted 2005-02-09 12:00:38 »

Hah yeh I wasn't sure if I'd get flamed for starting a thread that is already probably some where in the forum.   Technology changes so maybe in that time another IDE came out  Tongue Anyways next time Ill do a sext before I post, sorry.

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Offline Markus_Persson

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« Reply #5 - Posted 2005-02-09 12:28:05 »

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... I kid, I kid!

I use Eclipse, and I will until anything else becomes good and free. Netbeans isn't. Idea isn't.

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Offline Spasi
« Reply #6 - Posted 2005-02-09 12:54:20 »

If anyone is interested:

http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/opensource
Offline blahblahblahh

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« Reply #7 - Posted 2005-02-09 14:33:54 »

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And don't just repeate everything that was said before! Smiley


Ah, that wasn't meant as a criticism. Just we've had a few people decide "I can't be bothered to read the whole thread before replying, so I'll just say what I think and ignore what's come before" and it's annoying and a waste of time.

malloc will be first against the wall when the revolution comes...
Offline chosen01

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Packet monster.


« Reply #8 - Posted 2005-02-09 23:57:38 »

Alright well eclipse it is, seems like everyone who uses it dosen't have a problem.  Nice joke Markus jez you guys are geeky Tongue.  

            Consider this thread..closed

  Thanks, for the info  Smiley

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Offline Herkules

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« Reply #9 - Posted 2005-02-14 05:42:59 »

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I applied but got no answer so far. Anybody been more successful?

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Offline mlk

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Muppet!


« Reply #10 - Posted 2005-02-22 03:59:13 »

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I applied but got no answer so far. Anybody been more successful?

I've been tempted, but I'm not sure if i (a) like Idea, or (b) have a big enough app. I plan to download the 30 day version at some point, and give it a play, see if it really is better than emacs.

Offline Spasi
« Reply #11 - Posted 2005-02-22 08:33:17 »

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Anybody been more successful?


I haven't tried, sorry. My guess is they're flooded with requests right now.

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but I'm not sure if i (a) like Idea


Yes, you will like it Smiley. Make sure you try the latest EAP too. They're currently adding support for multiple languages, javascript and html already play nice (has anyone refactored javascript before? Wink)
Offline mryzl

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Java games rock!


« Reply #12 - Posted 2005-03-10 20:51:12 »

NetBeans 4.0 (or 4.1 beta). It's much, much better than previous versions. And definitely the best choice for my J2ME projects.
Offline swpalmer

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Where's the Kaboom?


« Reply #13 - Posted 2005-03-20 19:31:07 »

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I plan to download the 30 day version at some point, and give it a play, see if it really is better than emacs.


HAHAHAA... that's a good one.
Wink

Offline zingbat

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« Reply #14 - Posted 2005-03-21 10:58:21 »

Hey, everyone knows Netbeans 4.0 rulez all.
Cool
Offline NewbTon

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Odejava games rock!


« Reply #15 - Posted 2005-11-19 21:13:08 »

I know im late in this thread. But just gotta say.. Eclipse (3.1  so far) . IT's absolutely amazing, it has keyshortcuts for everything (which i like because my hands are hurting). Eks. : You cant just type ctrl+shift+r, a dialog opens where u can search for a class. Enter it's name, ( or part of it) it finds it for you, you press enter and boom--there you are editing the class !! without even  touching the mouse.
YOu avoid the annoying and slow and painfull (for me because I have trouble with my hands) mouse scrolling  up and down with the stupid class three on the left.
It it jsut MARVELOUS and you can find extensions to about most everything. For example,  the other day I found a beatyfull little template (Java) language called Velocity. Its a script language for Java and i would like to be able to color syntax it and error check it. Of course
, someone allready created a plugin for eclipse ! And theres just so MANY examples like that, not single IDE comes close.
Try Visual Studio (For example, i know it's not java but it cost around 8000 , just to compare) and you will  not get a tenth of the Eclipse features, plus it will allways be limpering behing because of it's closed nature. So just go ahead. use Eclipse, its 20 levels above ANYTHING I've seen before and I've seen alot..And it's free  ! (And if it wasnt I would be paying for it, for sure).
PS Sorry about some spelling errors, I'm a busy man Smiley
Offline swpalmer

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Where's the Kaboom?


« Reply #16 - Posted 2005-11-19 22:16:28 »

I mainly use ctrl-click to go to class or function definitions.  That combined with alt-cursor left to go back to where I was is pretty good.  I see that they have added easire navigation like that to NetBeans 5, now if they speed it up by a factor of 10 or so,so it approaches the speed of Eclipse, I might even switch back Smiley

Offline Jeff

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« Reply #17 - Posted 2005-11-20 05:05:10 »

Odd,  having used both fairly recently, I see virtually no speed differences.

*shrug*

I uses Eclipse, but because its code completion/navigation/refactoring tools fit much better the way I work on large codebases.


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Offline swpalmer

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Where's the Kaboom?


« Reply #18 - Posted 2005-11-20 07:51:31 »

I can't figure it out.. code completion of NetBeans seem horribly slow most of the time, always puts up a "please wait" and I can't stand it.  Sometimes the delay is 10 seconds for the auto-complete popup to appear, sometime more, sometimes it is almost as fast as Eclipse.  I think maybe it has to do with the available RAM.  But all I know for sure is that it is frustrating.  This machine only has 512MB, so maybe that is the problem.

Offline NewbTon

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Odejava games rock!


« Reply #19 - Posted 2005-11-21 00:44:45 »

My computer has 512 mb. and it's never slow. Switch before it's 2 late. I tried NB first and was very thrilled.. until I tried Eclipse..
Offline swpalmer

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Where's the Kaboom?


« Reply #20 - Posted 2005-11-21 03:22:37 »

Switch before it's 2 late.
I use Eclipse normally.  I just fire up the NetBeans betas to see how it is coming along and to do things like profiling and sometimes I play with the new UI tool, Mattesse... but it looks like I won't be able to use it.  It's still basically a form making toy and not useful for real UI work.

Offline princec

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« Reply #21 - Posted 2005-11-22 12:04:58 »

I'm rather disappointed at the speed of Eclipse on my 2GHz iMac... was rather expecting it to be about the same speed as my laptop but it's far more sluggish. Apple JVM implementation woes?

Cas Smiley

Offline hvor2

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Beyond mind, there is an awareness...


« Reply #22 - Posted 2005-11-22 12:34:13 »

I'm rather disappointed at the speed of Eclipse on my 2GHz iMac... was rather expecting it to be about the same speed as my laptop but it's far more sluggish.
Speed of what? Loading time, building time...?

Offline swpalmer

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Where's the Kaboom?


« Reply #23 - Posted 2005-11-22 13:38:04 »

I'm rather disappointed at the speed of Eclipse on my 2GHz iMac... was rather expecting it to be about the same speed as my laptop but it's far more sluggish. Apple JVM implementation woes?

Cas Smiley

Maybe a little, but I think mainly SWT implementation woes.  Compare NetBeans on both systems to see..

Offline princec

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« Reply #24 - Posted 2005-11-22 17:08:35 »

Speed of both compilation and GUI is slow.

Cas Smiley

Offline hvor2

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Beyond mind, there is an awareness...


« Reply #25 - Posted 2005-11-22 17:17:47 »

Speed of both compilation and GUI is slow.
I have Eclipse 3.1 on 2Ghz machine (WinXp) and never noticed it is building something! Maybe it IS Apple.

Offline blahblahblahh

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« Reply #26 - Posted 2005-11-22 19:35:52 »

Speed of both compilation and GUI is slow.
I have Eclipse 3.1 on 2Ghz machine (WinXp) and never noticed it is building something! Maybe it IS Apple.

I have it on 1Ghz and below machines, and it's definitely noticeably faster than on much faster apple machines.

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Offline ryanm

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« Reply #27 - Posted 2005-11-22 22:08:21 »

In other news, the fact that the latest Eclipse stream-stable build supports linux's highlight-to-copy, middle-click-to-paste functionality has caused me to soil myself with pleasure.
Offline Vage

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learning++;


« Reply #28 - Posted 2005-11-23 00:29:37 »

Well, that does it. I'm going to go get Eclipse and ditch JCreator...

Personally, you could strap me into a mech cockpit with 47 virtual HUD displays, two complex hand controls and foot pedals and I'd be grinning like the gamer freak I am.
Offline swpalmer

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Where's the Kaboom?


« Reply #29 - Posted 2005-11-23 05:29:13 »

Speed of both compilation and GUI is slow.

Cas Smiley

Odd, I've never noticed a big difference in anything but the UI.  I find Swing seems faster than SWT on the Mac.  My Mac is only 1GHz. (Compared to a dual 1.7GHz PC here at home, and a dual 2.5GHz system at work.)

I recall that you normally use the server VM on windows, right?  Do you know that it doesn't exist for the Mac?  The -server option on the Mac is the client VM with a few tweaks to compile thresholds and GC parameters.

Could that be the main difference you are seeing?

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