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Offline dranonymous

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« Posted 2004-12-28 23:32:05 »

So, I've been having fun learning about this new computer of mine.  So far, I'm a happy camper.  I've tried posting some questions at the Apple Forums, but most people there seem to be interested in how hard it is to upgrade the RAM.  Tongue

I wondered if some of you macAddicts could point me in the right direction?

- I'm left handed.  How do I swap the mouse buttons on the USB mouse I use?  Prefs doesn't offer any such option.

- Will adding more RAM speed up DVD burning?  Making the image took 40 minutes for 4 gig of data files.  Then it took another 15'ish to actually burn the DVD.

- How will I live without being able to test new versions of Gravity Battle (winks to KevGlass)?

- Is it possible to get my win XP machine to use AppleTalk?  Would that make more sense than using the Windows sharing protocol?

- I've got an HP print server, should I set up AppleTalk on it or just use the JetDirect protocol?

- Anyone have any experience moving a CVS repository onto their mac?  I was running cvsNT on my win laptop and want to move the repository to the iBook.

Enough for now!

Cheers,
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Offline jbanes

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« Reply #1 - Posted 2004-12-29 00:18:15 »

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- I'm left handed.  How do I swap the mouse buttons on the USB mouse I use?  Prefs doesn't offer any such option.


No idea. I'm right handed. Besides, a "proper" Mac mouse only has one button. ;-)

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- Will adding more RAM speed up DVD burning?  Making the image took 40 minutes for 4 gig of data files.  Then it took another 15'ish to actually burn the DVD.


Ummm... no. Do you have any idea how much data is on a DVD?

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- How will I live without being able to test new versions of Gravity Battle (winks to KevGlass)?


Have you tried it? It should work fine.

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- Is it possible to get my win XP machine to use AppleTalk?  Would that make more sense than using the Windows sharing protocol?


Appletalk is more like TCP/IP. Just use Windows Sharing and be happy. Besides, this isn't your mother's Mac. This is actually a full Unix OS. Windows sharing is provided by Samba, which honestly tends to do a better job than Windows. My only complaint is that admin users are not allowed to be Samba users.

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- I've got an HP print server, should I set up AppleTalk on it or just use the JetDirect protocol?


Just install the HP drivers and be happy. Actually, I think you can just select the printer off the share and run it. The proper drivers should already be there.

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- Anyone have any experience moving a CVS repository onto their mac?  I was running cvsNT on my win laptop and want to move the repository to the iBook.


An iBook is an odd place for a CVS repository, but it shouldn't be any different than a Linux or BSD machine. That is to say, that it should work better than on CVSNT. BTW, I highly recommend that you drag the Terminal onto your Dock. You're going to be using it quite a bit. :-)

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Offline Malohkan

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while (true) System.out.println("WOO!!!!");


« Reply #2 - Posted 2004-12-30 03:12:47 »

If you can't play Gravity Battle... play Rimscape! Grin

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Offline dranonymous

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« Reply #3 - Posted 2004-12-30 16:00:09 »

Anyone have any software suggestions?  Any cool demos I can run just for effect?


jbanes -

Thanks for the info.

- DVDs - Yes, I realize they have 4+ gig of data on them.  I wasn't referring to how long it took to do the actual burn, I was referring to the first part.  When I drop files onto the DVD, it 'copies' them for about 40 minutes.  This is the part where I figured more RAM might help.  The CPU is doing almost nothing according to the performance monitor.  My RAM was maxed out, using 245'ish of the 256 available.

- Mouse - True, hardcore mac users only use 1 button I suppse, but I'm a newbie on a Mac, so I don't have to.  Smiley

- Terminal - No no no no no no.  I didn't get a mac from Santa so I could use the command line.  I got one to simplify my life.  Smiley  I used GUI and Command Line on my Amiga lots, but those were different days.  Smiley

- GB - Doesn't work.  At least when I last tried it.  Sad  Shame too, as I really like it.

Mal... -

- GB - Yes, I will have to try Rimscape on the new machine.  Smiley  I'll drop you a line on it.


Dr. A>
Offline Mojomonkey

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« Reply #4 - Posted 2004-12-30 16:06:24 »

OS X makes great use of RAM, i.e. the more RAM you have the better your system will run. And 256 is too little, I'd put in as much as you can afford. It will help everything.

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Offline jbanes

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« Reply #5 - Posted 2004-12-30 16:38:22 »

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- DVDs - Yes, I realize they have 4+ gig of data on them.  I wasn't referring to how long it took to do the actual burn, I was referring to the first part.  When I drop files onto the DVD, it 'copies' them for about 40 minutes.  This is the part where I figured more RAM might help.  The CPU is doing almost nothing according to the performance monitor.  My RAM was maxed out, using 245'ish of the 256 available.


It may help. Hard to say, since the process may be I/O bound. (i.e. writing to disk) Either way, MojoMonkey is right. 256 MB is WAY too little for a Mac. My iBook is 1 1/2 years old, and it has 640 MBs.

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- Mouse - True, hardcore mac users only use 1 button I suppse, but I'm a newbie on a Mac, so I don't have to.  Smiley


It was a joke. :-) Mac OS X users actually benefit from the use of a two button mouse, as all the context menus make life easier. BTW, I looked up your left-hand problem. There are two ways to solve it:

1. Get a mouse with drivers that support left-handed use.
2. Grab a copy of uControl.

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- Terminal - No no no no no no.  I didn't get a mac from Santa so I could use the command line.  I got one to simplify my life.  Smiley  I used GUI and Command Line on my Amiga lots, but those were different days.  Smiley


Umm... you want a CVS repository, but you don't want to use the command line? You got me there. Truth be told, you WILL find yourself using the command line if you do any development. Even if you're just doing a:

javac MyProgram.java
java MyProgram

The Unix utilities are nice, though. Nothing like being able to grep through a large file, or use SED to produce a valid file for a shell script that tars up all the files you want to move in one easy step. And sudo works out of the box! God I love Unix. :-)

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- GB - Doesn't work.  At least when I last tried it.  Sad  Shame too, as I really like it.


I looked at the JNLP file, and it looks like KevGlass didn't bother with OS X libraries for LWJGL. The solution is either to find a downloadable copy you can run on your machine (using an OS X copy of LWJGL), or pester KevGlass to fix it. My vote goes to the later. ;-)

Edit: If you ever find yourself needing software, everything you could possibly need for your Mac is here: http://www.versiontracker.com

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Offline Malohkan

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while (true) System.out.println("WOO!!!!");


« Reply #6 - Posted 2004-12-31 15:14:39 »

Get eclipse for your happy lil' mac.  It'll be beautiful, the new versions are much faster (used to be horribly slow on macs) and you won't need to do ANYTHING on a command line! Smiley

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Offline jbanes

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« Reply #7 - Posted 2004-12-31 15:19:23 »

Ugh. I HATE Eclipse. Sorry. I use NetBeans on my Mac, but there are far too many times when I just need to compile a simple test program. A complete IDE is an overkill for those situations. :-)

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Offline cfmdobbie

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« Reply #8 - Posted 2004-12-31 16:47:57 »

Hey, now - an IDE will help with your little test cases as well!  Right-click project, select New, select Class, check the "public static void main(String[] args)" checkbox, click Okay.  Write test.  Right click, select Run, select Application.  Viola!

One hell of a lot faster than doing it without.

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Offline jbanes

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« Reply #9 - Posted 2004-12-31 16:59:33 »

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Hey, now - an IDE will help with your little test cases as well!


Wait a minute and a half for the IDE to start...

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 Right-click project, select New,


Wait for the old project to close as all the settings get written to disk.

Create a new folder, or mount a temp directory.

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select Class, check the "public static void main(String[] args)" checkbox, click Okay.  Write test. Right click, select Run, select Application.  Viola!

One hell of a lot faster than doing it without.


Or not. My workflow for simple tests is:

cd ~/temp
vi MyClass.java
(write code)
javac MyClass.java
java MyClass

It's a LOT faster than going click, click, clack all over the place. As a bonus, I don't even have to switch out of my current IDE project! :-)

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Offline cfmdobbie

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« Reply #10 - Posted 2004-12-31 17:14:53 »

Now now now, if you have a project currently open you don't need to wait two minutes for the IDE to load now do you? Grin

And I don't suggest opening a new project at all - just create the test case right where you're working.  If it's a quick throwaway test, you can delete it right afterwards anyway.

Two right-clicks, four left-clicks, four keypresses ("Test") and a CTRL-S have got to be easier than your 121 keypresses, plus whatever you need to open a terminal... Tongue

*poke* Your turn! Grin

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Offline cfmdobbie

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« Reply #11 - Posted 2004-12-31 17:27:14 »

But to get back on topic, there are two blockers to me buying a Mac.  Trailing behind on Java releases is one of them, and the lack of two buttons built into the touchpad is the other.  If they ever fix those two, I'll buy one within a week.

After working on one project with a guy who used a Mac laptop, I'm convinced that they are the only sensible choice for a work machine.  (It did suffer from occasional complete lockups, but only when the VPN went down while the Mac was using it, and it sounds like a software issue that will be fixed eventually.)

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Offline jbanes

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« Reply #12 - Posted 2004-12-31 17:28:05 »

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Now now now, if you have a project currently open you don't need to wait two minutes for the IDE to load now do you? Grin


That's a big *if*. Most throwaway test code I write happens when my IDE isn't running. i.e. A quick class to test an algorithm, or a class to post here. ;-)

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And I don't suggest opening a new project at all - just create the test case right where you're working.  If it's a quick throwaway test, you can delete it right afterwards anyway.


That's always an option, and I occasionally do that. Unfortunately, many projects have something of a build super-structure, and I tend to not want to mix nonsense class files in there. Other people are going to be looking at my code, and I want it presentable. :-)

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Two right-clicks, four left-clicks, four keypresses ("Test") and a CTRL-S have got to be easier than your 121 keypresses, plus whatever you need to open a terminal... Tongue


cd ~/t\t [7 keypresses]
vi MyClass.java [15 keypresses]
javac M\t.\t [9 keypresses]
java M\t\b [8 keypresses]

I only get 39 keypresses. Grin At 40 WPM, that's about 10 seconds!

Compare that to clicks per minute. Your process would take at least 30 seconds to complete, AND I have to move my hands between keyboard and mouse. Not to mention the pauses inherent in switching Projects, loading Wizards, etc. in IDEs. ;-)

I love my IDE for large projects, but for a single class it is a massive overkill.

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*poke* Your turn! Grin


Back at you. Grin

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Offline jbanes

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« Reply #13 - Posted 2004-12-31 17:36:30 »

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But to get back on topic, there are two blockers to me buying a Mac.  Trailing behind on Java releases is one of them,


They're not far behind. 1.5 releases have already entered Beta testing. Not to mention that Java is a first class citizen on the Macs. You can even call Cocoa APIs from Java, and Java APIs from Cocoa!

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and the lack of two buttons built into the touchpad is the other.


I have a small optical mouse I carry in my pack. It plugs into the USB port on the side and gets me going in two seconds. For times like working on the bus, I've gotten quite adept at hitting CTRL+Click.

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After working on one project with a guy who used a Mac laptop, I'm convinced that they are the only sensible choice for a work machine.  (It did suffer from occasional complete lockups, but only when the VPN went down while the Mac was using it, and it sounds like a software issue that will be fixed eventually.)


I agree. The Windows laptops assigned to me by my various employers have always been heavier, slower, less feature complete, HOT, had useless battery lives (2 Hours? WTF?), and were simply not as useful overall. My Mac is small, light, fast, has all the gizmos build in (mic, speakers, 2 USB, Ethernet, Modem, Firewire, and I can get Bluetooth and WIFI), runs supercool and quiet, has a four hour battery life, and runs just about anything I need. As laptops go, I simply wouldn't choose anything else. :-)

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Offline swpalmer

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« Reply #14 - Posted 2005-01-01 15:57:46 »

Welcome to the wonderful world of the Mac.

Some software you might want if you haven't already found it:

Adium - Multi-protocol IM program

VLC media player (http://www.videolan.org/) for playing media with Windows-centric codecs that aren't supported by Quicktime.

MPlayer (alternative to VLC)

Panic software (http://www.panic.com/) has a nice FTP program (Transmit), and other great stuff

jEdit works well on the Mac.  It might be a good solution to your light-weight java editor issue.  Though I find Xcode starts up pretty quick.  I find the Xcode UI has quite a learning curve if you want to use it as a full-fledged IDE though.

Check out http://www.macosxhints.com/ for all the stuff you have to find out the hard way.

Offline cfmdobbie

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« Reply #15 - Posted 2005-01-01 16:11:26 »

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They're not far behind. 1.5 releases have already entered Beta testing.


No, not far behind at all.  But until Sun and Apple get their act together and start treating Mac OS X as a primary build target, a Windows, Solaris or Linux box will always be the best platform for cutting-edge Java development.

Before it was cancelled, we were intending to undertake a large greenfield project using the best technology Java has to offer.  The current state of things would have been a dealbreaker - rather than drop compile-time type-safety via Generics, we would have likely dropped the Mac.  What a shame.

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Not to mention that Java is a first class citizen on the Macs. You can even call Cocoa APIs from Java, and Java APIs from Cocoa!


Now that is cool!

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I have a small optical mouse I carry in my pack. It plugs into the USB port on the side and gets me going in two seconds. For times like working on the bus, I've gotten quite adept at hitting CTRL+Click.


No, no, no, no, no, no, no.  Wrong answer! Wink

Every Mac user I mention this to says, "yeah, that's really stupid, but I just carry around a two-button mouse!"  Does no one else but me think this is a preposterous situation?

Do they really think people who buy their kit aren't clever enough to handle two buttons?  Do they think two buttons are unnecessary?  That's rather been proved wrong by the fact that pretty much every Mac user buys themselves a two-button mouse - and they buy it because it makes their life easier!  Do they really need people to point this kind of thing out to them?

It can't be a technical issue - PC laptops have been shipping with multiple buttons for decades.  My current personal laptop has four buttons built in, and they make my life even easier than do two!

If Apple really think people aren't able to deal with two buttons, then the solution is simple - use two sensors so they can detect which end of the button was pressed, and add a new option to the Prefs: "[X] Enable touchpad two-button support".  It ain't rocket science!

This is a dealbreaker for me less because of the practical issues; I know I can always buy a two-button mouse, or if there isn't space for a mouse then I can Option-Click instead.  It's a dealbreaker because it's just so stupid that Apple aren't giving their users what they want, even though they're paying over the odds for the hardware.  It's ludicrous - it just makes no sense whatsoever! :-/

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Offline cfmdobbie

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Who, me?


« Reply #16 - Posted 2005-01-01 16:40:08 »

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That's a big *if*. Most throwaway test code I write happens when my IDE isn't running. i.e. A quick class to test an algorithm, or a class to post here. ;-)


Well, that was rather in response to your comment of "As a bonus, I don't even have to switch out of my current IDE project!"

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That's always an option, and I occasionally do that. Unfortunately, many projects have something of a build super-structure, and I tend to not want to mix nonsense class files in there. Other people are going to be looking at my code, and I want it presentable.


Not a problem! If you want to remove the class, that's just a <Del><Cr>, and if you want your test code to appear somewhere else, that's just a click-and-drag.  Any good IDE should take care of relocating source files, clearing generated classes, changing package statements and imports for you.

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cd ~/t\t [7 keypresses]
vi MyClass.java [15 keypresses]
javac M\t.\t [9 keypresses]
java M\t\b [8 keypresses]

I only get 39 keypresses. Grin At 40 WPM, that's about 10 seconds!


That's with sub-second compilation times then? Tongue

And, oh!  Regrettably you appear to have forgotten that after starting vi you need to type:

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ipublic class MyClass {<Cr><Tab>public static void main(String[] args) {<Cr>


And after writing your program logic you'll need a:

1  
<Tab>}<Cr>}<Cr><Escape>:wq<Cr>


Which adds an extra 76 keypresses I believe.  And at your theoretical 40 WPM, that just about takes us up to 30 seconds...

By the way, after a quick test, creating a class called "MyClass" with a main method, compiling, and running it takes me just under 10 seconds.  However, I fear I must point out that this process cannot really be shortened any further by any action on my part, and further speed-ups can only be gained by the purchase of a faster CPU.  I do concede that ignoring any application startup/shutdown time for vi, and ignoring startup/compilation/shutdown time for javac, theoretically if you increase your typing speed to about 120 WPM, you'll be done in under 10 seconds.

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Back at you. Grin


Zing! Kiss

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Offline cfmdobbie

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Who, me?


« Reply #17 - Posted 2005-01-01 16:50:04 »

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Some software you might want if you haven't already found it:


By the way, if you work with databases at all, the Aqua Data Studio comes highly recommended.

What CVS client do you gurus recommend under OS X?

The Microsoft bundle of Word, Excel and Entourage looked pretty good, if a little pricey.  Are there any better office and email packages available, or are those the best you're going to get?

Hellomynameis Charlie Dobbie.
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« Reply #18 - Posted 2005-01-01 19:52:03 »

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By the way, if you work with databases at all, the Aqua Data Studio comes highly recommended.


Actually, last time I tried Aqua DS, it didn't work quite right on my Mac. The menubar was in the wrong place, and several minor features didn't seem to operate. Of course, they may have fixed it since then.

At the risk of self-promotion, you may want to give DataDino a try. The professional version does some pretty cool stuff, including extracting source code for table and views!

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What CVS client do you gurus recommend under OS X?


If you don't like your IDE support, try SmartCVS

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The Microsoft bundle of Word, Excel and Entourage looked pretty good, if a little pricey.  Are there any better office and email packages available, or are those the best you're going to get?


If you need Outlook support, Entourage is the only game in town. Otherwise, try NeoOffice/J. I find it much more pleasent than Office v.X.

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Offline dranonymous

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« Reply #19 - Posted 2005-01-03 14:22:01 »

jbanes - Thanks a million for the ucontrol link!  I had to compile the source code, but it works great so far!  I'm a happy left handed mac user now.  Smiley

I looked at some of the other stuff as well.  I had already got vlc, based on a recommendation from another forum.  It does seem to be great.

I'm going to shop around a bit and see about getting at least 512meg of ram, possibly just max it out at 1gig.  I finally saw the computer having to swap on the drive, so its time.  Smiley

I love eclipse as well.  I've got it on all three systems on use (mac, win, lin).  It works just great on all of them.  I had already been using it for awhile swp, but thanks for the other infos.

smartCVS is THE greatest cvs client IMHO.  Thats another I've been using on win/lin for awhile, but haven't had the chance to put in on the iBook yet.  I'm sure it will be just as happy there.  winCVS is complete yuck.  It shows just why its free with that completely nasty UI.

2 quick questions -

- Does anyone have any recommendations on burning software?  Everyone seems to say - Roxio Titanium Toast, but nothing else.  Surely there is something else out there.  I'm not happy with how long it takes to copy striaght data to the DVD with the preimage it makes.

- How do you make a disk image show up with a background when you open it.  I've downloaded several .dmg files.  When they get mounted and then opened, they sometimes have backgrounds in the finder window.  How is that done?

Regards,
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Offline jbanes

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« Reply #20 - Posted 2005-01-03 14:39:35 »

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jbanes - Thanks a million for the ucontrol link!  I had to compile the source code, but it works great so far!  I'm a happy left handed mac user now.  Smiley


You're welcome. :-)

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I looked at some of the other stuff as well.  I had already got vlc, based on a recommendation from another forum.  It does seem to be great.


Excellent choice! I use VLC for all of my video watching as well. Not even Quicktime Pro seems quite as nice.


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- Does anyone have any recommendations on burning software?


How about, "I try to avoid it whenever possible?" Grin Check VersionTracker for a few very nice wrappers for burning CDs and DVDs. You should see a few good recommendations.

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- How do you make a disk image show up with a background when you open it.  I've downloaded several .dmg files.  When they get mounted and then opened, they sometimes have backgrounds in the finder window.  How is that done?


Open the folder, click on "View|Show View Options", and select the "Picture" radio button at the bottom. Be warned that this is a very tricky thing to do for DMG files. Most of the time the image points to everywhere but the copy embedded in the DMG. If you want to create install files, I highly recommend FileStorm. It will save you quite a few headaches. :-)

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Offline swpalmer

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« Reply #21 - Posted 2005-01-04 02:21:58 »

Buring software:  Try Dragon Burn, I haven't used it but, I've heard good things.  I usually just use the stuff built-in to finder or the iLife apps.

CVS, I use SmartCVS when I have to.  But for my work I've switched to Subversion (http://subversion.tigris.org) and find the command line for subversion is actually fast and easy to use, though there are GUIs that run on Mac.

On One Mouse Button:

It's that way because it is supposed to be easier for most non-technical people.  My father who has been using Windows for several years STILL asks "When to a left-click and when do I right-click?", of course he also asks "When do you single-click and when do you double-click?" so there is basically no hope for him ever...

Though I prefer 2 buttons and a scroll-wheel.  Anything more than that is too much if you ask me.  I never use the middle button.  Someone once told me that UI studies of years gone by indicated that 2 buttons was the sweet spot for function vs. confusion.

Offline dranonymous

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« Reply #22 - Posted 2005-01-05 02:51:33 »

So I want at least a 512 Meg SODIMM for my iBook.  I look at Crucial, per swpalmer's recommendation.  They list a 512 sodimm for about $120'ish.  They list the 1Gig version for $330'ish.  Checking around, I see about the same thing from everyone.  Why, oh why oh why?

If a 256Meg is about $50, then a 512Meg at about $100 seems resonable.  Why can't I find a 1Gig for about twice the price of a 512?  I'd really like to just max the memory out, but I'm not willing to pay $300'ish for the memory.

Anyone have suggestions?

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« Reply #23 - Posted 2005-01-05 04:27:36 »

It's a case of demand... more 256 units are made than 512 than 1024 units.

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Hmm. I just thought of something...


« Reply #24 - Posted 2005-01-05 11:44:33 »

I added 256 to my iBook to bring it up to 512. Works great although I kind of wish I had sprung for a 512 chip.

I can run eclipse, tomcat, mysql, itunes, firefox, mail, ichat, dreamweaver (several which are memory hogs) concurrently without much problem. but i think that's about pushing it.

Eclipse 3.0 runs well. i'm very happy with it's performance. Even though it runs faster on my 1.8 ghz p4 I choose to work on my iBook every time. I'll have to try smartcvs. I just use eclipse built in cvs right now.

I've installed subversion server on my mac server but have been having trouble getting the subclipse plugin to work in eclipse.

So my basic suggestion is get as much memory as you can comfortably afford. But dont break your bank to max out. I saw great gains with just a 256 chip.

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Offline dranonymous

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« Reply #25 - Posted 2005-01-05 14:03:36 »

I went looking about and found that newegg.com has a 1 gig stick for about $200.  Given what you said bwbrooklyn, I may just get the 512 afterall.  Anyone have any other experience with going from 256?

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« Reply #26 - Posted 2005-01-14 13:24:59 »

here is some additional tips:

- definitely go for as much RAM as you can buy. no matter what, you will be using all of it. i have 512 in my powerbook, and it's mostly OK, but when running Eclipse i can't run Photoshop and iPhoto (two other mem hogs) at the same time _comfortably_. OS X is very good about multitasking so you will kind of want to never quit any apps Smiley

- use Cyberduck for ftp. it's free, open source, and works extremely well. it's no-fuss, better than all other ftp programs i know on the mac (and i have tried a few). plus, it's free Smiley

- get iPulse (http://www.iconfactory.com/ip_home.asp). i always have this running. it looks _way_ cool and displays ALL your system stats, like mem use, HD, swapping, processor use, system processes, network I/O, and more in one small window.
in the beginning, it looks like a swirl of colors on your screen with which you can impress geek and non-geek friends alike. but after a while, you get used to what is what, and you can see instantly what your system is doing. it's fantastic.
for examle, i can see when i am running out of memory and when the swap file is accessed, and how much... :b

- OS X supports windows via SMB. usually, however, it's a lot faster to use ftp. just make the mac an FTP server with one click Smiley (System preferences - sharing - click on ftp or windows for smb). ftp usually works at network speed, whereas windows sharing is a lot slower.
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