If anything you have just proved the point that a free unbiased and "open to all" forum is the best place to discuss links.
Which is why, instead of touching the page, I came back here to ask you about it, and to try to understand.
Otherwise how could you have expanded on the strengths or weaknesses of two MMOG technologies (Zona & Grex)?
I didn't; I'm not posting here to advertise my company, and so I deliberately steered clear of doing that.
Nor did I mention the three companies that - IMO as a specialist in this area - all have a lot more relevance than Zona, and are all using Java.
My point was that you need a lot of intelligence and diligence, and research and peer-review, behind any useful collection of things that people are likely to be biased about (and any company with a single halfway decent salesman can be assumed to be as biased as possible, so commercial links nearly always fall into this category).
As to the link to Zona; I understand that Grex is your baby, excuse me for thinking you might be interested in what other companies are doing with Java rather than pandering to your ego. If you recall the whole purpose of sharing
links in the first place was to capture the state of Java in the games industry. Although I could send you a link to your own website or the feature on Javagaming if it makes you happy.
There's some misunderstanding here; I didn't request anything of the sort. I don't understand what my ego has to do with this (although, granted, it is rather huge
, as befits someone with a brain the size of a planet). My only interests here were:
- I don't like to see a useful page of resources turn into an advertising page for random games and one or two companies, especially if those things could *just as easily* have pages of their own. This is pollution of the original page, IMHO.
- Gathering links for companies is not a case of "oh, I'll just put one or two up there". It's either a major undertaking or it's simply not going to work. I'm sorry if you feel this is my ego talking, but I have direct experience of this stuff and would happily bet money that a page where someone posts just Zona as an MMOG system is *never* going to grow into something useful. Mainly because surfers are not stupid, and they recognize that a page with no effort gone into it is of little value to them, especially when - if they want that info - it's easier to get more of it elsewhere in more obvious places (like, say, any of the sites that appear on a google search for MMOG).
- OTOH, someone putting in the time to collate, evaluate, and sort a large collection of companies and products is an extremely valuable resource for everyone else. And I would do everything I could to help and encourage this.
- unregulated things - like the Wiki page - tend to become less and less valuable over time. I have participated in many wikis, and every time I've taken a back seat (usually in deference to the creators) I've regretted it when the wiki has just filled up with crap over time. The only exceptions are where the wiki creators/owners/users are themselves very proactive in pruning and maintaining it. I don't like wikis, in general, because they're usually used in places where they are inappropriate. But that doesn't mean I'm willing to just ignore the JGO one and let it rot.
Though not in sequence and gleaned from recent replies this should sound familiar and should not be misconstrued as a personal attack.
OK, I won't take it that way. But I admit I can't think why else you'd do this?
A forum and community should be a free exchange of ideas in my opinion, whether the views are in concert or diametrically opposed to ones own *Not Filtered*. This one also includes the Freedom to have you set fire to any of my posts, remove links from the Wiki (or even better) add your own. This way extreme ideas can be tempered for the common good.
You have openly admitted to being biased, hating applets and seem to think every post is a personal attack against you or Grex.
Maybe I'm not biased - I take the path of assuming I am in cases where the probability is that I am irrespective of my best efforts not to be; I'm just trying to be fair and up-front with things.
The comment about applets was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I don't see a problem with it anyway. You ask for a forum to be a free exchange of ideas, but don't allow ideas that you don't like?
And I'm afraid I can't see the quote that says I think every post is a personal attack
But I guess that was just the bile speaking