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Offline princec

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« Posted 2004-06-11 08:28:46 »

I'd quite like to get this board upgraded now; YaBB really can't cut it for a board of this size.

VBulletin appears to be the bestest. What think you?

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Offline blahblahblahh

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« Reply #1 - Posted 2004-06-11 10:22:08 »

VBulletin doesn't sound particularly good:

http://www.vbulletin.com/features.php

Do you know any good poster children for it that make you like it?

Mainly I've used Invision, which is pretty good, but if you want to go to more feature-rich / paid-for ones there's also Gossamer Threads (although they have a very good rep, and good support, I don't think much of their programming skills - their product is immature (but a lot better than YABB!)).

IIRC there are some that are actually *good* if you have multiple hundreds of dollars to spend?

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Offline cfmdobbie

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« Reply #2 - Posted 2004-06-11 11:27:10 »

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Do you know any good poster children for it that make you like it?


Dexterity use vBulletin, and as Cas is top of the post-count there (as well), I expect that's the one he's thinking about! Grin

http://www.dexterity.com/forums/

Personally I like phpBB2 as general forum software, but have no idea whether it has syntax-colouring and all that lovely stuff that a development forum should have.  However, before we get to all that, two questions:

1) Why is YaBB not considered to be able to cut it?  I've not seen any down-time for at least six months and the server always seems very responsive.  Why do we need to change?

2) We will need an upgrade path that allows us to keep both our member data and our archive of messages.  Does that alter the choice at all?

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Offline blahblahblahh

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« Reply #3 - Posted 2004-06-11 11:33:46 »

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1) Why is YaBB not considered to be able to cut it?  I've not seen any down-time for at least six months and the server always seems very responsive.  Why do we need to change?


Boggle. This is in the top 2% of slowest websites I ever use! Seriosuly, it's REALLY slow! (bad/excessive SQL queries is my guess...)

Definitely DB performance, because I get the first few bytes rapidly, then big pauses before the rest comes down. Sometimes it's painfully slow trying to surf the site Sad.

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2) We will need an upgrade path that allows us to keep both our member data and our archive of messages.  Does that alter the choice at all?


IME YABB is one of those that *everything* has an import routine for Smiley.

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Offline princec

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« Reply #4 - Posted 2004-06-11 11:59:45 »

vBulletin has threaded views, a search feature that works, proper moderatorial wotsits, etc, etc. It's everything that the free bulletin boards don't quite do right. We're still on the old version at Dexterity and it's still ahead of YaBB in terms of functionality.

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« Reply #5 - Posted 2004-06-11 12:38:55 »

>This is in the top 2% of slowest websites I ever use!

Can't believe that. It works very well for me and much better than most of the other pages (especially the pq.de board wich is powered by an outdated version of vBulletin [1.1.3 with a million ugly hacks]).

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Offline swpalmer

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« Reply #6 - Posted 2004-06-11 16:33:58 »

I like the forums at http://javadesktop.org/  - Jive I think.  I figured that since there is already a group at Sun that uses it they may be more able to justify the change.

Offline DanK

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« Reply #7 - Posted 2004-06-12 07:07:07 »

My vote goes for any software that has a 'new posts since last visit' feature, should a change be needed. That's a pretty handy feature for browsing... and probably an ultra useful feature for mods who need to be keeping an eye on anything new.

Offline 20thCenturyBoy

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« Reply #8 - Posted 2004-06-12 07:39:11 »

I agree with this board being slow, but I don't know whether it's because of YaBB, the hardware, the Net or whatever. I am in Australia and I find access to US sites can be slow. But this one is definitely one of the slowest, if not the slowest.  The Dexterity forum is much snappier.

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« Reply #9 - Posted 2004-06-12 11:45:52 »

I would also like to note that I find this board quite slow at times.  The speed thing isn't that crucial to me, although I would really like to have the option to "watch" certain threads.

The forums created by the Jive guys are nice and functional.

How would we go about actually implementing this change?

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Offline JasonB

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« Reply #10 - Posted 2004-06-12 21:40:41 »

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I agree with this board being slow, but I don't know whether it's because of YaBB, the hardware, the Net or whatever. I am in Australia and I find access to US sites can be slow.

That's cause you're in the arse-end of the world...  Grin


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Offline ribot

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« Reply #11 - Posted 2004-06-12 23:27:27 »

..but, what I'm thinking is - do we actually have the power to make these changes???

Looking at vBulletin - I'm liking it the more I look at it, although I wish there was a user function to change or supply a custom css style sheet.  Cheesy

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« Reply #12 - Posted 2004-06-13 01:03:24 »

Just don't lose the post history *again* PLEASE!!!!

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Offline DanK

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« Reply #13 - Posted 2004-06-13 04:53:31 »

Seems like a job for the game community board thingy discussed here. While they don't actually have the ability to do it themselves, they should be able to convince the people at sun that we need a better bit of software for forums, software that will provide more usability features, moderating features, speed, etc.

One of the biggest things I hate about this particular forum software is the search feature, really really sucks, it's easier to just read through the thread listing. For some reason the search feature defaults to threads only 7 days old... something that recent is likely still a hot topic and on the front page of any forum, when I'm doin a search I'm hoping to find something a little older. Until now I hadn't really figured out why the search sucks so bad... I'm probably not the only one who tried to find something, and ended up asking a question that had probably been covered because the search feature has such an odd default (and is hidden way below the options people are likely to notice).

Anyway, the games community board should be taking up the cause, or at least providing us with a reason that they shouldn't take up the cause. I occassionally suffer from the same slowness problems that others have mentioned here, normally the boards are reasonably responsive for me though.

Offline DrBizzar0

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« Reply #14 - Posted 2004-06-13 08:18:06 »

Here's a quote from Sun why it defaults to 7 days.

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Here's why.  The resources that the search requires of the server due to the format of the data is significant.  To keep the load down so there arent many "resource exceeded" messages, is the reason for the 7 day default.


http://www.java-gaming.org/cgi-bin/JGNetForums/YaBB.cgi?board=suggestions;action=display;num=1073553039

Guess that's yet another reason to getting a new forum software.
Offline Mithrandir

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« Reply #15 - Posted 2004-06-14 17:30:27 »

Hmmm... never have any performance problems at all regardless of the time of day or night I access it. I think you guys complaining actually have issues with your bandwidth rather than the site software. I sit on a 1MB DSL link that is one hop from Mae West, so I have pretty huge bandwidth straight to the JGO server (ie no bottlenecks) and never see a delay in the pages coming up. Click and it's there.

Can't see a need to move to any other software for the bulletin as they all provide the same capabilities roughly. The threads don't get long enough to justify needing internal threading/nesting here.  It's not like it's slashdot where you get 500+ comments on a single thread.

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« Reply #16 - Posted 2004-06-14 17:54:36 »

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never see a delay in the pages coming up. Click and it's there.

Even with the 'recent replies' page? Thats horribly slow here, even though any other page will load in a snap.

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« Reply #17 - Posted 2004-06-14 18:19:29 »

Yeah, last 10 posts is crazy slow, but not a showstopper in my opinion. Idunno, this forum works out pretty well for what he need. It's definitely no frills tho.

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