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Offline kingroka123
« Posted 2015-07-29 21:18:56 »

So I just updated to windows 10 and I am loving it so far. Here are some things that I have noticed so far:

1. Microsoft Edge
- I've been using Microsoft Edge for about a half hour and I already know that it will be my default browser from now on. Not only is it faster than chrome, it is much more fluid and consumes less resources. The only downside to Edge is no extensions but that will be coming later so it's not that big of a deal. To get an idea on the speed and lightweightness of edge, on chrome ive had this problem with playing 4k video on youtube. Whenever I tried to play videos at 4k the video would stutter (despite have the content loaded) and my whole computer would lag. I thought it was just a sign that I need a new cpu (which I do but that is beside the point) but when I play 4K video in Edge, it is smooth and doesn't bog down my computer.

2. The Xbox App
- The new Xbox app is much better. Whenever I download a game from the windows store, a little windows will pop up telling me that I can press the windows key+G to open the xbox game bar. On this game bar there, you can take a screen shot or record the game being played. The thing is, you can open that bar in any program and record that program. The only drawback is that it seems to be locked to that window but the program seems great for capturing game footage.

3. The Windows Store and other new Windows apps
- The windows store is vastly improved. Not much to say about it other than I have experience 2 crashes so far which is not ideal. I have had a similar experience with other new windows apps but since (I think) they are still in beta, I can forgive.

So that's about all I have noticed other than the general stuff like Cortana, Smoothness, and the Start Menu (which are all great). Anybody else have Windows 10 and if so what do you think about it?
Offline chrislo27
« Reply #1 - Posted 2015-07-29 21:26:18 »

I am considering upgrading from Windows 7 to 10 (albeit a bit later when it's a bit more stable).

I want to ask how's the start menu compared to Windows 7. Is it familiar enough that it'll be easy to get used to or is it too Windows 8-esque? That's really all I have to ask for now, Windows 10 looks so much better than Windows 8 so my interest has been piqued.
Offline kingroka123
« Reply #2 - Posted 2015-07-29 21:38:11 »

I am considering upgrading from Windows 7 to 10 (albeit a bit later when it's a bit more stable).

I want to ask how's the start menu compared to Windows 7. Is it familiar enough that it'll be easy to get used to or is it too Windows 8-esque? That's really all I have to ask for now, Windows 10 looks so much better than Windows 8 so my interest has been piqued.

The start menu is kind of combination between the two. It feels like windows 7 and 8 at the same time but never too much of either one.

I believe Microsoft is releasing a Day 1 patch some time soon so I'll say if that fixes any of the crashes.

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« Reply #3 - Posted 2015-07-29 22:26:55 »

Personally don't like the new start menu in Windows 10, seems to try to do too much, cluttered, not easily customisable and still partially uses the horrid metro UI. Installed Classic Shell which works great and restores the simple straight forward start menu.
Offline mcela
« Reply #4 - Posted 2015-07-29 23:46:11 »

Just a friendly remainder for everyone: please read the privacy statements and fully undestand what you're actually installing when making the desicion to use Windows 10.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx
https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/

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Offline Longarmx
« Reply #5 - Posted 2015-07-29 23:53:34 »

meh.

I still have my windows 7 disk if I ever want to go back to the good times.

Offline Jervac
« Reply #6 - Posted 2015-07-30 00:57:49 »

I gave it a go after backing up files on my Linux partition (Apparently windows is greedy with partitioning) and I really like how they made the metro view on the desktop and made multitasking more efficient. The start menu is alright, but I dislike how "Search Windows" is always there when I could easily hit the home key and start typing. This adds more clutter to the task bar. I prefer the windows 8 window borders. Apparently their white windows with thin borders with your theme color. Their automatic color theme (when enabled) was pretty clever as it changed the theme based off the background colors. The privacy statements that mcela linked were a bit of a turn down for me. I don't care much for it   Stare
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« Reply #7 - Posted 2015-07-30 04:05:20 »

I install win10 today and just change all the effects, visuals, configs to my win7 setup.

Waiting for the DirectX12 now.

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Offline kingroka123
« Reply #8 - Posted 2015-07-30 13:37:48 »

I install win10 today and just change all the effects, visuals, configs to my win7 setup.

Waiting for the DirectX12 now.
DirectX 12 is out and you should be able to download the NVidia driver for it.

An unexpected plus from windows 10 is that most of my games run just a bit smoother. For example, on windows 8, Watchdogs would have 6 minute loading times and when it did finally load, it would stutter (until I died once and it reset which is weird) but now I have about a 2-3 minute loading time with no stutter and lag in the beginning. I would imagine this is because of the lightweight nature of windows 10 since Watchdogs doesn't use DirectX 12.
Offline Neoptolemus
« Reply #9 - Posted 2015-08-04 18:47:24 »

I too like Edge a lot, but there's a problem. Video playback, such as Youtube or even ads, is completely messed up. The sound is corrupted and the video kind of lurches and skips forwards and backwards. I don't have this issue in Chrome.

I've updated my audio and video drivers to the latest Windows 10 specific ones, no improvement. Any suggestions?

Other than that, I'm liking Windows 10. I'm particularly impressed by how fast a cold boot is. I used to never shut down my laptop and just put it to sleep instead with Windows 7, but now a proper shutdown is almost as fast.
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Offline gouessej
« Reply #10 - Posted 2015-08-04 20:46:52 »

Hi

In my humble opinion, it looks like an unfinished and very buggy operating system like the previous versions. When I resize the file explorer, there is still a black area at the top right corner, this bug was already in Vista and even XP. The performance of WebGL is still noticeably worse with Edge than with Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome, it's a bit less catastrophic than with Internet Explorer. Some design choices are completely counter-intuitive to me, I don't understand why some build-in "apps" have a colorized bar at the top and others just have a white bar. When you have to mimic the behaviour of this OS in a Java software, you might spend some time in looking for the expected "natural" appearance to provide a comfortable integration. The very thin border around the windows is almost invisible, is it really useful? Now the resize cursor appears only when you move the cursor close to the border inside of the window, not outside, I find it just weird. Microsoft's transparency seems to be less bad than Google's one but some sentences of the 23 pages in the privacy statement are enough to confirm that this operating system will never get installed on my computers at home. "Freedom only wears out when it is not used". The secure boot is a nightmare when you want to switch to GNU Linux.

I'm still under Mageia Linux  Grin Ghostery and uBlock are enabled  Wink

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« Reply #11 - Posted 2015-08-04 21:17:14 »

Windows 10 forced me to append "_optout" to my wifi SSID.
That's all I know so far.  Angry

How approachable is Win10's UI for those of us who use Win7 and skin it to work as much like WinXP as possible?

Have they finally sorted out the Explorer UI?
By sorted out, I mean have they got rid of the cluttered, wasteful, redundant (and worst of all compulsory!) Explorer navigation, status, tool & ribbon bars?

That would be the 1 thing that might make me upgrade from Win 7, that and a restored Windows search that is capable of doing *exhaustive* searches.

Basically I want the best bits of Win7 + best bits of WinXP, and none of the shiz that's in Win 8.
Is Win 10 configurable enough to satisfy these desires?
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« Reply #12 - Posted 2015-08-05 05:17:40 »

Windows 10 forced me to append "_optout" to my wifi SSID.
That's all I know so far.  Angry

How approachable is Win10's UI for those of us who use Win7 and skin it to work as much like WinXP as possible?

Have they finally sorted out the Explorer UI?
By sorted out, I mean have they got rid of the cluttered, wasteful, redundant (and worst of all compulsory!) Explorer navigation, status, tool & ribbon bars?

That would be the 1 thing that might make me upgrade from Win 7, that and a restored Windows search that is capable of doing *exhaustive* searches.

Basically I want the best bits of Win7 + best bits of WinXP, and none of the shiz that's in Win 8.
Is Win 10 configurable enough to satisfy these desires?
Windows 10 has the same Windows menu as Windows 7 but with the "metro look" of Windows 8 like this :


Well do you mean by explorer the file explorer or internet explorer. In the first case nothing changed but the icons. And i'd say that Internet Explorer is deprecated haha. Windows 10 use Microsoft edge which is a lot faster than Internet Explorer and if you look at some benchmarks it's almost as fast at Firefox or Chrome and even faster for JavaScript. Also Microsoft Edge doesn't allow any extension and but it has a really clear UI ( just the necessary : favorites, read mode, options and even a write on the page mode ).


For the exhaustive search in Windows, in fact you have in your task bar a direct access search field wich enables you to search though your files ( the list is very exhaustive : 1 item if one is found ) or to click on a link to access bing search page for that page on your default browser.

You also have Cortana your kind of personal assistant which i think is some service to face against the siri and ok Google tool, but seriously it is almost useless as it only manages your calendar and shows you in a condensed view some articles about what you're interested in ( that you configurated). After enabling Cortana she is enabled in the search bar in your task bar but that doesn't change anything, she doesn't understand any input ( which would be actually simpler than handling voice input ) like : what is the weather today ? or Is it going to rain ?
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« Reply #13 - Posted 2015-08-05 11:39:58 »

For people who use Windows 8.1 still and get lost with the so-called start menu: try right clicking on it rather than left click which brings up that annoying tiles view.

I actually love the Windows 8.1 interface, all I need in one tiny context menu and the rest just gets pinned to the task bar like usual.
Offline gouessej
« Reply #14 - Posted 2015-08-06 15:34:33 »

Well do you mean by explorer the file explorer or internet explorer. In the first case nothing changed but the icons.
I mean the file explorer ("Explorateur de fichiers" in French), it's crystal clear.

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Offline Longarmx
« Reply #15 - Posted 2015-08-06 15:49:14 »

I actually got worse game performance on Windows 10, either due to the OS itself or the newest Nvidia display driver. On games that I normally got a solid 60+ fps turned into 30-50 fps. I searched on the internet (other people have this same issue) and found a temporary solution provided by Nvidia which included turning off Vsync and a few other settings in the Nvidia control panel. This is of course not desirable, so I am hoping that a driver update is coming soon to remedy this solution.

Just a word of caution to those who haven't upgraded already.

Offline Cero
« Reply #16 - Posted 2015-08-07 12:20:54 »

"upgrading"

Offline Opiop
« Reply #17 - Posted 2015-08-07 13:12:55 »

At first I was a fan, but now I just don't like it. The new search menu (i.e. Cortana) is cluttered and huge and doesn't activate when I hit the Windows key. All the metro animations seem to suffer from "lag spikes" which make them look... just bad. The top window bar seems bigger, making everything on my laptop that much smaller (on my desktop it is fine). Performance seems to have taken a huge hit, on 7 I could have a TON of programs open, and if I opened another it would open in a blink of an eye. On 10 if I open more than maybe four programs then I have to say bye to my performance.

I do like the four way snap now, where you can drag a window into a corner of the display and it will snap there. That, however, is the only feature I actually like. If they would completely get rid of the metro design with their strange animations that don't fit with the rest of the OS then I would be fine with 10. Just yet again they tried far too hard to push two design languages together and they just couldn't get it right.
Offline Icecore
« Reply #18 - Posted 2015-08-07 13:34:02 »

Still on Xp  Cool and don't want change it XD

All the metro animations seem to suffer from "lag spikes" ...

Imho: The Trend of last years fears me:
from year to year we have more buggy and laggy software’s each year
- and now even big corporations create so low quality products.

What be next.
in 50 years we will have 100 core cpu that run new tetris with lags 10- FPS
because you don’t have top pc with 378 cores ?  persecutioncomplex  

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« Reply #19 - Posted 2015-08-07 13:39:02 »

Performance seems to have taken a huge hit, on 7 I could have a TON of programs open, and if I opened another it would open in a blink of an eye. On 10 if I open more than maybe four programs then I have to say bye to my performance.

Sounds like the same problem I was having, which I fixed by disabling the Superfetch service. You can verify it by the memory usage of the System process in the Task Manager. It was many hundred megabytes before, now it is 0.1 MB. You may have to restart after disabling the service for the memory to be released.
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« Reply #20 - Posted 2015-08-08 01:15:37 »

I've been using Windows 10 for a little over a week now. Apart from performance improvements, everything makes me want to go back to Windows 7. I really don't find it any different to 8, apart from the start menu, and other minor things.

- Metro design in the start menu still hinders me more than helps, I want to pin things to the left in a list. I've installed Classic Shell to fix this.
- Less customization options, I like the theme to be black, but that's not even an option any more.
- Can't click power tray icon to change power modes, you have to go right in to the actual settings window.
- Edge is alright, though I won't use it as I don't like it's UI, it's another thing to test webpages on though hopefully replacing IE completely in time.
- It really could have fixed the current path limit length issue existing with Windows Explorer... but nope...

My main issue is currently with Skype. After installing Windows 10, the Skype Desktop client has been having severe issues. After a while of usage, Skype receives typing slower, to the point I can type whole sentences before even the first few letters appear. It also affects everything else. The mouse starts moving at 5FPS, any clicking, or opening of stuff can take well over a minute. Often Skype will just permanently freeze upon opening. As soon as I end it in task manager, all is good again. There's no excess CPU usages, memory usage, faults, problems in resource monitor, etc. I currently have to use the terrible web version.

Offline Opiop
« Reply #21 - Posted 2015-08-08 02:07:34 »

Performance seems to have taken a huge hit, on 7 I could have a TON of programs open, and if I opened another it would open in a blink of an eye. On 10 if I open more than maybe four programs then I have to say bye to my performance.

Sounds like the same problem I was having, which I fixed by disabling the Superfetch service. You can verify it by the memory usage of the System process in the Task Manager. It was many hundred megabytes before, now it is 0.1 MB. You may have to restart after disabling the service for the memory to be released.

Hmm, my System process on my laptop is taking up around 300MB (I don't know if this is normal or not), but I don't see a way to disable the Superfetch service you are talking about.

I'm just getting tired of the performance hits that Windows seems to accumulate with each major OS iteration. My laptop isn't high end, but it is by no means low end and should have no issues navigating the OS (context menus, settings pages etc...). 7 was the last OS I truly liked because it was so stable and I had amazing performance across the board. 8 and 10 just seem to slow down everything even after re-installs and disk de-frags. It's incredibly frustrating. I was hoping 10 would be something new and have a few cool new features that would speed up my workflow, but all I seem to get is a less consistent OS in terms of design and performance.

Now if only on Ubuntu my WiFi actually worked correctly... for some reason my Ubuntu install has terrible network speeds. That's the only thing keeping me from making a complete switch from Windows.
Offline Phased
« Reply #22 - Posted 2015-08-08 10:29:45 »

I have yet to see an animation suffering from a lag spike, it all seems pretty smooth for me so far.

The title bar does look a little bigger, and just putting file explorer ontop of chrome, its like a few pixels bigger.

Putting windows explorer on top of chrome, and using the X shows that windows explorers tile bar is 5 pixels bigger then chrome.
But chrome's title bar is the same size as windows 7.
Also Visual Studio is smaller then windows explorer title bar too, about the same size as chrome, so windows 7 size.

Only problem I have is with the snap, the edge between multi monitors is now snappable, you need to move a window at a certain speed to move it across.

even with my mouse at a fairly high speed, I still seem to get stuck by it a fair bit.

Also the corners of each of my monitors are "solid" on windows 7, I could put my mouse to the top, and drag it from one monitor to the other, but now it gets stuck on the corner of my monitor between the two screens, as if it was only one screen.

Performance, I think my computer actually improved with Windows 10. I did have some game performance issues 10 mins after upgrading, the game would go really low fps every now and again. but after turning my compute off after updating, I have had no problems.

I seemed to be keep a more stable higher FPS in GTAV, in certain parts I would drop down to 50-55 and sit there, but I seemed to sit at 63 a fair bit, to begin with when I was checking my FPS, didnt keep an eye on it though.

General computer performance seems fine as well.
2 desktops open (the virtual desktops they added).
Main desktop consisting of, steam, windows explorer, 6 tabs on chrome, a dvd player program, paint.net, eclipse, visual studio, epic games launcher, unreal engine 4 open, in play mode on the game, fraps, and playing we shall wake at 60 fps with no fps drop on ultra settings, and minecraft open up in chat so the game keeps updating and rendering running at 150 fps.

second desktop consts of 5 chrome tabs open.

I think your install may of been bad, not actually windows 10.
I did have a problem for a few days, once a day my task bar would go not responding, and I had to hold the power button in to to get it to respond back (or at least it didn't fix after like 2 mins of waiting so I gave up waiting), but I havnt had that issue since like 2-3 days after upgrading to windows 10.

I have been on windows10 since the day it got released.

I saw a video of a guy running windows 10 on a single core computer, and it seemed to perform really well as well link to video if anyone is interested, it is from a tech preview build from last year, so theoretically the performance should be even worse then it is now.
or a 10 year old laptop (according to him it is 10 years old, didn't check for myself) link to video.
Offline gouessej
« Reply #23 - Posted 2015-08-08 13:48:23 »

Imho: The Trend of last years fears me:
from year to year we have more buggy and laggy software’s each year
- and now even big corporations create so low quality products.

What be next.
in 50 years we will have 100 core cpu that run new tetris with lags 10- FPS
because you don’t have top pc with 378 cores ?  persecutioncomplex  
I agree with you. That's why I expect a game that looks like Quake 2 to be able to run smoothly on a computer bought in 1997.

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Offline nerb
« Reply #24 - Posted 2015-08-10 10:10:41 »


1. Microsoft Edge


Doesn't present an option to save downloads anywhere but the Downloads folder. I really don't like that.

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« Reply #25 - Posted 2015-08-10 19:28:30 »

I have Win10 ready to be installed (and my laptop is reminding me of that quite often).
But reading about a lot of the problems, I'm thinking maybe I should just stick with Win8.1 just to be safe. I have some quite specialized drivers installed that I depend on and they were not quite straightforward to get to work on Win8 in the first place, so I wouldn't be surprised if that will give me problems in Win10.
And knowing Windows, every new iteration takes a while to get used to, so I'm not sure it'll be worth the trouble.

Anyway, I learned to live with Win8.1. It's not as nice and user-friendly as a good Linux distro (which was my first choice, but I had problems installing it on my laptop), but it's is still fine for me.

Offline Cero
« Reply #26 - Posted 2015-08-11 13:15:20 »

Why would you ever adopt any technology early, unless your current system is broken?

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« Reply #27 - Posted 2015-08-11 17:50:05 »

Why would you ever adopt any technology early, unless your current system is broken?

Good point Smiley
My personal reason to consider upgrading is that Win10 seems to offer a better desktop experience than Win8, and I've heard that Win10 uses less memory (my laptop only has 4GB).
But yeah, I'll probably wait (if I upgrade at all) since Win8 is working fine now.

Offline J0
« Reply #28 - Posted 2015-08-12 07:33:56 »

I have Win10 ready to be installed (and my laptop is reminding me of that quite often).
But reading about a lot of the problems, I'm thinking maybe I should just stick with Win8.1 just to be safe.
I'm personnally two weeks into my three-weeks holiday without my laptop, and the win10 update should be ready when I come back home... but after having read there are quite a few issues with 10 (such as the extremely simple error message that only says something has 'happened'...) I think I will do as you did and won't let my pc quit win8.1 for now. Maybe I'll try out Edge though, if it is available for 8.1.

J0

Offline gouessej
« Reply #29 - Posted 2015-08-26 11:30:24 »

The spying feature is in Windows 7 and 8 too, enjoy  Kiss
http://www.hakspek.com/security/updates-make-windows-7-and-8-spy-on-you-like-windows-10/

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