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Offline VIrtueeL
« Posted 2015-01-03 23:50:30 »

now "The Escapist" is a really funny game but am thinking there is alot the developer could have added to the game for ex:

Player vs Player - the one that escapes first wins, and players can sabotage one another
Selling Items to Gain Money
More Stuff to do with crafted Items
More Crafting's Over all

that is a small list of things

now what am thinking is creating a better version of the game with co-op and pvp
and more crafting's and more choices and bigger maps and harder guards
and create crafting's such as:

Chest that you can have underground
Bags
Upgrade Inventory
And more activities to to then just training and working with metal =P

tell me what you think or if you want to be a part of this project i have already started making a big list off stuff to be added to the game just started making the list so its not that big yet but well what am i suppose to do =D

- Indie

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« Reply #1 - Posted 2015-01-04 00:04:37 »

Did I miss something or does that post make no sense?

Offline Opiop
« Reply #2 - Posted 2015-01-04 00:39:07 »

Just... Slowly hit the back button. Possibly throw your hard drive in some liquid nitrogen.
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« Reply #3 - Posted 2015-01-04 00:55:14 »

@VIrtueeL: you're falling into a trap that a lot of novice (and not-so-novice) developers fall into: you're biting off way more than you should be chewing. The best advice anybody can give you is to start MUCH smaller.

Ideas are cheap. It's easy to say "we should make XYZ game, but with ABC instead!". The hard part is actually creating, finishing, and marketing the darn thing.

It's cool that you're thinking in terms of a developer and seeing opportunities to improve things, but this type of project is NOT something to take on lightly. Start with a much smaller project and work your way up- maybe create a series of mini-games that explore the different ideas you mentioned. After all, if you're going to create the whole big thing, you might as well start with the basics so people know to take you seriously, right?

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Offline NegativeZero

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« Reply #4 - Posted 2015-01-04 01:25:34 »

This video was on your YouTube channel:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/KqJNGDPusBY?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;start=" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/KqJNGDPusBY?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;start=</a>

I think that it is in incredibly bad taste that you, as a self proclaimed "Indie Developer", criticize a game that you presumably pirated and went on to create a video showing how to pirate the game. When questioned about the legality (or lack thereof) of your exploits, you replied (via YouTube comments)

Quote from: Indie Developer
yup a 100% - the number of hours i spend on coding so its 100% - 2511252e245% so that means its ilegal by -2.511252e+249% xD, rly i dont think anybody cares so =D

Yes, this is very illegal and yes, people care. The people who developed this game are using this as their income and you've just walked in and tried to shit on that. Imagine if someone started walking up to, taking your wallet, taking out 15 dollars out and walking off to give it to someone else, only to return the next day to do it again?

Looking at your channel, you've done the same thing to Bordlerands: The Pre-Sequel, Rust, Far Cry4, Sony Vegas and Fraps.

I don't see how you will ever be able to sell a game, when people will be able to look at your channel and see a thief! It's extremely unprofessional, especially if you're expecting people to play your games! If you want people to take you seriously at all, you need to go find yourself a small number of things:
  • Dictionary
  • A moral code
  • Some form of filter between what you think and what you do

Offline kingroka123
« Reply #5 - Posted 2015-01-04 02:41:47 »

I don't understand how you can be learning how to become an independent developer with the eventual goal of making money off of your games and promote the pirating of other games. How can you think that developers don't care about their product? Independent companies don't have a lot of money to begin with so every pirated download your video promotes can really hurt an indie company. In addition,  your videos tarnish your reputation among game developers and players alike. Here's my advice, delete the videos on pirating games, remove any links to any files you have off the internet, and take being an indie developer seriously.

(plus, why would you put a video on how to pirate Far Cry 4 on your channel. I'm sure a big name publisher like Ubisoft really doesn't appreciate that)
Offline Rayvolution

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« Reply #6 - Posted 2015-01-04 02:59:44 »

<snip>

Yeah, I noticed these videos a while back when I was looking at his channel, I think we were discussing in #JGO how old VIrtueeL may be and then we stumbled on those videos and thought to ourselves "seriously?"

It's one thing to be a developer, and not bothering to stop people from pirating. That's what I do, the only time I go after pirates for RPC is if the download is malware infested and it's harmful to the users, otherwise I don't care. It's another thing entirely to show people how to ripoff what should be your fellow developers.

These people are developers just like you, but who just happened to actually get off their asses and create something. You might as well put up a video about where to find a Retro-Pixel Castles. Farsky, Daedalus and Revenge of The Titans torrent while you're at it, because your behavior is very insulting to the real developers out there that you're striving to be someday. :/

I'm sure you just thought "But I would never put up a torrent of your guy's games! It's JGO and they're my friends!" .. but guess what? The people you don't know are just as important, and worked just as, or harder than we all did to get where we are. Just because you can't put a face on them doesn't make them any less important.

*wanders off grumbling about ethics, morals and maturity*

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Offline JESTERRRRRR
« Reply #7 - Posted 2015-01-04 03:18:06 »

Reported the video.

Creating a list of things to do is the easiest bit, I doubt he'll get beyond that stage - probably get distracted by something shiny.
Offline VIrtueeL
« Reply #8 - Posted 2015-01-04 08:51:47 »

"The Escapist"

well they basically created a game that was successful, and then don't give a f**k about it?

the project will probably end up as this game

"Cube World"

they made the game and released a early access to the game! and when lots off ppl bought it they stopt developing on it

"JackSepticEye" played "The Escapist" and around 500.000 ppl watch the video
at-least 10 - 30 % is gonna buy it coos of him lets just say!

game costs 13.99£

round that up to
14£

14£ to dollar

16.80$

round up to 17$

now 17 x 150.000 <-- lets say an easy 150.000 ppl has bought it - Thanks to "JackSepticEyes" videos that has 500.000 - 600.000 views

that is 2.55 million Dollars

even if we round down that's allot of f**king money =O

and they cant bother to add multiplayer and some new game-mode to the game?

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Offline Phased
« Reply #9 - Posted 2015-01-04 09:08:10 »

That 2.55 million is not pure profit. Only a fraction of that 2.55 million was actually profit.

So now.

firstSubtraction = 2.55 million - cost of development.

now we are getting closer to the profit.

secondSubtraction = firstSubtraction - money to be put into the next game to be developed.

now we have how much profit they actually made. I can't give you values, as I do not know them, and I do not know how much they got paid per developer.

you could even subtract the cost of what it takes to keep their office rent / power bills / internet bills / what ever else is needed to keep their business and office up.

thirdSubtraction = secondSubtraction - business or office costs.

that 2.55 million could actually mean their behind in profit, and lost money because of this game they made.
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Offline VIrtueeL
« Reply #10 - Posted 2015-01-04 09:17:26 »

still lots off money! why not update the game and grow a community with it then they can use that community to advertise there new games?

+ JackSepticEye

is not the only one that has played that game =O so it can be easily over 400.000 - 600.000
ppl that has bought it but we cant really see that can we so its just wild guess!

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« Reply #11 - Posted 2015-01-04 09:19:16 »

And how does this justify thievery?

Offline VIrtueeL
« Reply #12 - Posted 2015-01-04 09:34:06 »

coos they make ppl pay for something that is not even finished than stops developing on it -.-
so i think ppl can get it for free that they don't need to buy a game that has discontinued!

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« Reply #13 - Posted 2015-01-04 11:03:50 »

This post is a lot of shite and will do nothing but start a flame war.

VIrtueelL, go and make a successful game and you will see what it takes to maintain and update it. A lot of people make games and enjoy making them, they realise close to the end of the development cycle it is not what they wanted it to be, they get burned out and release it as planned. The money from this goes into another project, not one they have no interest in.

Stop making those videos, grow up.

To the chit-chat monster with this pish.

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Offline Rayvolution

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« Reply #14 - Posted 2015-01-04 11:54:43 »

"The Escapist"

<Snip of the 2-3 word "paragraphs">

coos they make ppl pay for something that is not even finished than stops developing on it -.-
so i think ppl can get it for free that they don't need to buy a game that has discontinued!

1) They have to give Steam their cut, so it's not really 2.5 millions
2) It doesn't matter if they made 10 billion off it, it's their money, their game, and they deserve to be paid for it, regardless of how much they've already been paid.
3) Last game update was December 23rd, 2014, with their last general announcement 2 fricken days ago.
4) If somehow 2 is wrong (even though their Steam page says otherwise), then explain Borderlands: TPS, Rust, Far Cry 4, Sony Vegas and Fraps?
5) You have no right to decide for yourself that their game should be free.
6) You, as a so-called game developer should know, you don't just "add multiplayer". If the game isn't designed to handle it, you're asking them to basically rewrite half the code for a feature you think it needs (and they obviously don't, and are doing fine without it)

Quit trying to justify yourself, your behavior is highly insulting to Indie Developers everywhere. :/

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Offline VIrtueeL
« Reply #15 - Posted 2015-01-04 14:09:39 »

ok well i have deleted those videos now btw  Cranky my rust video had 2300 views Sad

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« Reply #16 - Posted 2015-01-04 14:54:27 »

my rust video had 2300 views Sad

Good for you

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« Reply #17 - Posted 2015-01-04 17:20:15 »

they make ppl pay for something

They aren't *making* you pay for something. You don't have to buy it. You don't have to play it.

If you don't like the game, don't buy it. Don't play it.

You're trying to profit off of ripping people off (one of your other threads says that one of your main goals is to gain YouTube subscribers), which won't get you very far.

You've taken the videos down now just to stop us complaining at you, but I really hope you think long and hard about the type of developer, and the type of person you want to be.

You're probably young and have plenty of time to change your attitude, but hopefully that change starts sooner rather than later.

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Offline Rayvolution

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« Reply #18 - Posted 2015-01-04 20:45:17 »

they make ppl pay for something

They aren't *making* you pay for something. You don't have to buy it. You don't have to play it.

If you don't like the game, don't buy it. Don't play it.

You're trying to profit off of ripping people off (one of your other threads says that one of your main goals is to gain YouTube subscribers), which won't get you very far.

You've taken the videos down now just to stop us complaining at you, but I really hope you think long and hard about the type of developer, and the type of person you want to be.

You're probably young and have plenty of time to change your attitude, but hopefully that change starts sooner rather than later.

Something I learned a long time ago is humans tend to think it's "ok" to ripoff the faceless organization using justifications like "It won't hurt them", "they're rich anyway", or "they're somehow evil because I want them to be so I'm not bad", that's why even at this very moment VIrtueeL doesn't think it's wrong he was offering people a way to steal games like FarCry 4, he just dropped the videos because he was tired of us complaining. The fact he's worry about his 2,300 views and not the fact he's an unethical ass proves that without a shadow of a doubt. He's very short sighted, hopefully that will change when he's older. Sadly, it seldom does. The best we can do is call him out on it so he learns what his parents never taught him before he gets thrown in jail for some stupid crap, like stealing a hat at Walmart "because it's cool". Tongue

With that, I'm done ranting. This entire thread infuriates me, I don't understand how people can be this short sighted in the world. So I'm leaving the conversation before I force Riven to send me to the padded room. Cheesy

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Offline Ed_RockStarGuy
« Reply #19 - Posted 2015-01-04 20:48:00 »

14£
£14*
Offline kevglass

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« Reply #20 - Posted 2015-01-04 20:48:52 »

Lock and Ban?

Kev

Offline Ed_RockStarGuy
« Reply #21 - Posted 2015-01-04 20:50:50 »

I questioned him on the youtube subscribers asking why he had that as a goal and i had no reply, then he started to slate my game minnuts after xD
Offline kpars
« Reply #22 - Posted 2015-01-04 21:41:21 »

I've almost had enough of this thread. I think you're way too immature and inexperienced to justify any of the points you've mentioned in your OP and the following posts.

As much as I hate the "If you can't do any better, don't complain" argument, I think it applies here perfectly. Looking at your past games, they all have an amateur quality to them and are almost certainly nothing I would find on Steam. You're obviously not in the right position to criticize their work, especially noting you're lack of proper experience in both game design and game programming. Pirating the game with these criticisms in mind just makes me think you're an ass, nothing more.

The developers don't need to do anything off of your list. But they should make a demo in my opinion.

Maybe if people had decent demos you wouldn't be advocating piracy in your YouTube videos and showing people how to get these games without paying a single bit for them. I've reported every single one I've seen so far. Can you also refrain from being a complete jerk to the developers of the game? They're obviously working very hard on it and it's most likely their main source of income. By pirating the game because "The developers didn't add enough features" and "I'm too poor" is complete B.S.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/rfZv_lPwBFI?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;start=" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/rfZv_lPwBFI?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;start=</a>

This video lists some good points about piracy in the game industry and ways we can work around it. I highly recommend watching it.

The point made at 4:58 is what I'm talking about here.

Demos are an excellent, easy way to prevent people from pirating your game when done right. If more people could just realize this, I think the game industry would be a much better place. DRM exists just because of people like you.

If you can't deal with paying for something, you might as well not play any of those games to begin with.

Don't give me your "I'm too poor" B.S. either, nobody is going to believe that. Looking back on the video, there's also another point made at 5:18:

Quote from: Extra Credits
There's one other argument for piracy that we often hear in the U.S: the "I'm too poor" argument.

This argument doesn't really hold water for me when it comes to video games, because any machine that can run a modern video game is a luxury item to begin with. If you can afford a decent PC or a video game console, you can probably afford a game to play on it.

Simply put, "If you can game, you can pay for games."

What's your deal with Early Access too?

coos they make ppl pay for something that is not even finished than stops developing on it -.-
so i think ppl can get it for free that they don't need to buy a game that has discontinued!

They haven't stopped developing it. As Rayvolution mentioned, the last update was made on December 23rd.

Moreover, there's nothing wrong with paying for something that's incomplete. Ever heard of this game called Minecraft?

Just Stop.
- Jev
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« Reply #23 - Posted 2015-01-05 00:21:35 »

To surmise:

  • Incredibly ironic to encourage pirating and also claim to be an indie developer
  • Pirating is illegal and takes money away from developers, period.
  • Game developers are not entitled to give you anything other than what they explicitly promise
  • If you want people to listen to you seriously, then take our advice seriously

Overall, your behavior is immature, but it's not like you can't improve. I suggest you think before you post.

Now, everybody go back to your IDEs persecutioncomplex
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