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Offline gene9

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« Reply #150 - Posted 2014-03-27 13:43:37 »

Clientside Java pissed off developers: unstable plugin, no backwards compatibility whatsoever.
Clientside Java pissed off average Joe: unstable plugin, guaranteed browser freezes, constant nagging for updates shipped with nasty toolbars.

Clientside Java pissed everybody off. So there. That's the problem right there. You can't blame aforementioned Joe for a healthy aversion regarding Java, trying to obliterate every single JRE he can find, for the sake of browser security, too.

No! The Java applet plugin pissed everyone off. Every copy of Matlab embeds a JDK, just like Wakfu, or the Windows version of IntelliJ (IIRC). That is all client side and there are no complaints about that at all.
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« Reply #151 - Posted 2014-03-27 13:53:55 »

The toolbar crap and totally broken auto-updater cost them a vast amount of goodwill.

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Offline gene9

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« Reply #152 - Posted 2014-03-27 14:28:23 »

The toolbar crap and totally broken auto-updater cost them a vast amount of goodwill.

Cas Smiley

That is all the Java web plugin. If you just embed a client-side JRE like Matlab, Wakfu, IntelliJ, users aren't bothered by that stuff.
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« Reply #153 - Posted 2014-03-27 16:03:12 »

Wasn't talking about embedded there... just system VMs. The JRE is otherwise awesome, if a little overlarge these days.

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« Reply #154 - Posted 2014-03-28 15:31:16 »

Wasn't talking about embedded there... just system VMs. The JRE is otherwise awesome, if a little overlarge these days.

Cas Smiley

Oracle should kill or at least formally deprecate the system VMs.
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« Reply #155 - Posted 2014-03-28 17:22:06 »

... The JRE is otherwise awesome, if a little overlarge these days. ...
Hopefully this will get a little better when we get Jigsaw and a module-based JRE *glares at Oracle*. Although I haven't heard/read anything about it recently...
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« Reply #156 - Posted 2014-03-28 17:54:53 »

Although Stripped implementations were ruled out for java 8, they may show up in a point release prior to java 9. While it's not a full module system, it would at least allow for the removal of unneeded classes in a way that is compliant with the license.
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