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« Reply #30 - Posted 2013-10-07 15:46:12 »

Yeah, the old cat herding problem. I wish someone like Torvalds was in charge of the desktop UI part as well.

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« Reply #31 - Posted 2013-10-07 21:25:11 »

Despite the problems with Linux as have been pointed out so far, I have found Linux to be better than Windows and OSX, and not just because I hate proprietary software.

With WINE working properly, I am even able to play my 'Windows-only' games easily. Although that did take a while as I had to install a lot of 32-bit packages on my 64-bit system for everything to work properly.

I think the degree to which Linux is useful to you is dependant on how comfortable you are with using the terminal. If you put a little bit of time into learning how to use it, then you are able to troubleshoot your own problems much faster than you could on Windows (and presumably OSX, which I don't have, but have had bad experiences trying to fix simple problems for it).

I am using Arch Linux, which may mean that some of these thoughts do not apply to all ways of using Linux, but the thing is that no matter what distro of Linux you use, there is the helpful community out there for when all else fails.

The one problem I have with Linux, and the open-source concept in general is exactly what @princec and some others have said above. There is potential in Linux, but people get too excited with the new freedom it brings and spiral off in many directions without getting anything useful done.

Perhaps one day open-source will become mature, and then Linux will be able to become the ultimate OS.

Offline Jeremy
« Reply #32 - Posted 2013-10-08 06:50:11 »

The reason I don't use linux as a desktop PC OS is because I don't believe that is where its strengths are.

Linux is a great operating system because it is open-sourced, free and very easily adapted to any platform. It is the OS to use when you don't have a compatible OS for what you are working on.

It is a great OS for microcontrollers, or control systems. It's great when you need the ability to fine-tune your kernel to do something as a software\hardware engineer.

As a desktop PC, it makes simple tasks very tedious. There are particular distributions of linux that are great for the casual desktop user, but I'd say more than 65% of the true linux community aren't targeting casual desktop users. This is an area Microsoft\Mac will always lead because they target casual to intermediate desktop users who are working on predictable platforms.

I only use Linux when I need to use linux.

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Offline SHC
« Reply #33 - Posted 2013-10-08 06:57:06 »

Linux even runs on playstation. The native operating system of the PlayStation 3 is CellOS, which is believed to be a branch from the FreeBSD project.

Offline Cero
« Reply #34 - Posted 2013-10-08 09:51:01 »

Linux even runs on playstation. The native operating system of the PlayStation 3 is CellOS, which is believed to be a branch from the FreeBSD project.

You are like 6 years behind with your knowledge.
Like 2-3 years ago Sony took away that feature, provoking all the hackers, including geohot

Offline gouessej
« Reply #35 - Posted 2013-10-08 10:49:50 »

As a desktop PC, it makes simple tasks very tedious. There are particular distributions of linux that are great for the casual desktop user, but I'd say more than 65% of the true linux community aren't targeting casual desktop users. This is an area Microsoft\Mac will always lead because they target casual to intermediate desktop users who are working on predictable platforms.
I know tons of casual GNU Linux users. Generally, they just ask me to install it and that's all. I use Mageia Linux on my machines and theirs. I accept to do so only when I'm sure that those people won't go back to Windows and I use a very simple distro so that people can "fix" the few problems by themselves and with the help of the community. The only person who asked me to install Linux and reinstalled Windows several months after got a virus directly in the boot loader and I no longer helped her as she got what she deserved. There are less than 50 known virus under GNU Linux whereas there are more than 500 000 virus under Windows.

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« Reply #36 - Posted 2013-10-08 11:07:34 »

Linux even runs on playstation. The native operating system of the PlayStation 3 is CellOS, which is believed to be a branch from the FreeBSD project.

You are like 6 years behind with your knowledge.
Like 2-3 years ago Sony took away that feature, provoking all the hackers, including geohot

He's saying that the OS the Playstation runs is linux based....not anything about the "Other OS" feature.
Offline SHC
« Reply #37 - Posted 2013-10-08 12:57:07 »

I think you mis-understood that. I just said that CellOS is a variant of FreeBSD which is type of unix/linux.

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« Reply #38 - Posted 2013-10-08 20:32:08 »

The only person who asked me to install Linux and reinstalled Windows several months after got a virus directly in the boot loader...

lol

As a desktop PC, it makes simple tasks very tedious. There are particular distributions of linux that are great for the casual desktop user, but I'd say more than 65% of the true linux community aren't targeting casual desktop users. This is an area Microsoft\Mac will always lead because they target casual to intermediate desktop users who are working on predictable platforms.

Windows and Mac are great that they make an easy-to-use system for simple tasks, but then they fall flat when you want to do something more complex (or even a simple task with one tiny difference). Meanwhile, Linux has a few glitches for doing simple tasks, but after a one-off fix, can be just as efficient, if not more so, than Windows/Mac. And even then, there is no overhead for doing complex tasks.

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Offline Agro
« Reply #39 - Posted 2013-10-08 21:36:59 »

I switch between windows and some linux distro every 6 months so I can have the feel for both cause i end up getting tired of one or the other. but yea, linux allows a lot more ways to do stuff dev wise.

But gabe is starting to bring the rise of linux 8D

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« Reply #40 - Posted 2013-10-08 22:20:06 »

Linux even runs on playstation.

OtherOS was removed from the PS3 in 2010.

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« Reply #41 - Posted 2013-10-09 00:36:27 »

See Troncoso's earlier post as well as Wikipedia's PS3 System Software Page:

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The native operating system of the PlayStation 3 is CellOS, which is believed to be a branch from the FreeBSD project.

SHC Is referring to the core OS, not the "OtherOS" feature. It looks like it uses a modified version of OpenGL for graphics. Smiley

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Offline Cero
« Reply #42 - Posted 2013-10-09 12:33:11 »

The video posted was originally very old and those devs specifically used and talked about otherOS

Offline SHC
« Reply #43 - Posted 2013-10-09 12:37:46 »

I didn't see the video actually. It's my fault.  Undecided

Offline Cero
« Reply #44 - Posted 2013-10-09 14:53:01 »

yeah anyway, that particular tech was based upon otherOS  D:

Offline deepthought
« Reply #45 - Posted 2013-10-09 15:28:34 »

"but yea, linux allows a lot more ways to do stuff dev wise."

Exactly what?
for one the command line is a lot easier to use

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Offline Roquen
« Reply #46 - Posted 2013-10-09 15:36:17 »

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« Reply #47 - Posted 2013-10-10 20:40:12 »

You forgot Haiku, an open source version of BeOS. It's a multimedia desktop system and runs pretty fluid.
You find software for it on haikuware.com.
Offline gouessej
« Reply #48 - Posted 2013-10-11 21:34:14 »

It looks like it uses a modified version of OpenGL for graphics. Smiley
It uses PSGL which is close to OpenGL-ES 2.0 but it doesn't fully follow the standard.

Offline SHC
« Reply #49 - Posted 2013-10-12 02:45:48 »

I found a new link - ReactOS. It's fully binary compatible with windows NT.


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« Reply #50 - Posted 2013-10-12 08:54:52 »

I remember seeing a review of this once. It doesn't seem that bad! Though I don't know about the theme-ing options.

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