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Offline sproingie

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« Reply #30 - Posted 2013-04-19 15:46:18 »

It's just the usual "they get big, they get evil".  Sometimes deserved, sometimes not.  Google was once the underdog, now they're the all-seeing panopticon of the internet.  Hell there was once this plucky upstart company taking on IBM, called themselves Micro-Soft or something like that.

I think Valve's got a long way to go before it gets even a tenth as bad as EA.
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« Reply #31 - Posted 2013-04-19 16:32:36 »

Didn't we already have this conversation? Oh yes, I started the thread persecutioncomplex
http://www.java-gaming.org/topics/preferred-os/26651/240/view.html, 1/3 down
Offline gene9

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« Reply #32 - Posted 2013-04-20 04:49:59 »

Funny how Valve was once praised into the heavens because they created Half-Life (and HL2, epicness) and now they are automatically turning into an evil organization because Steam has exploded in popularity Smiley

They are still praised to the heavens. Half Life 1/2 were completely mediocre FPS games but I never felt the need to object to other people enjoying it.

I do object to this notion that Steam has some rightful ownership of the marketplace of all PC games. I am not calling them "evil", that is unnecessarily emotional and dramatic. Steam is just grabbing more power and money than is healthy for the overall ecosystem. If I ever make a game, I don't want Valve taking a cut of the revenue, and I don't like this attitude that Valve somehow deserves to be the primary gatekeeper of the entire ecosystem.

I think Valve's got a long way to go before it gets even a tenth as bad as EA.

I don't see a valid reason to claim that either EA or Valve is immoral.

I do see a reason to claim that Valve is taking more control and money from the overall PC gaming ecosystem than makes sense. I'd like to see better, more dev friendly options. EA really doesn't do anything like this.
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Offline HeroesGraveDev

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« Reply #33 - Posted 2013-04-20 05:02:32 »

No company should have so much control over a certain market.

Unfortunately, they do (Microsoft, EA etc.)

Once they get control, they stop caring about helping the market/technology in the market, and just try to make loads of money, destroying anyone who tries to take some of that power away.

[off-off-topic]
On the other hand, Microsoft is what keeps Apple from destroying 'open-systems', but with the direction Windows 8 is heading, who knows what will happen...
(Personally I hope it all falls to pieces (due to developers not supporting a platform they can't use) and everyone ends up using Linux Grin)
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The only solution is indie developers.
They get one (or maybe a few) hit(s), things go forward, then they drop back and someone else picks it up.

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« Reply #34 - Posted 2013-04-20 08:21:28 »

EA have no control whatsoever. They are not gatekeepers; Valve are. This annoys EA a lot.

Cas Smiley

Offline Cero
« Reply #35 - Posted 2013-04-20 09:25:22 »

Once they get control, they stop caring about helping the market/technology in the market, and just try to make loads of money, destroying anyone who tries to take some of that power away.
 forward, then they drop back and someone else picks it

Yea,  but google certainly isn't like this.

Offline gene9

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« Reply #36 - Posted 2013-04-20 13:19:48 »

No company should have so much control over a certain market.

Unfortunately, they do (Microsoft, EA etc.)

What control does EA have over anything? They have power over EA internal game studios and their publishing relationships with devs like Bungie... That level of power seems very modest.

Once they get control, they stop caring about helping the market/technology in the market, and just try to make loads of money, destroying anyone who tries to take some of that power away.

EA only makes money on new games they create or games they help fund/create.

Valve rarely makes actual games and is now largely making money by charging rents on games from other developers.
Offline gimbal

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« Reply #37 - Posted 2013-04-23 12:43:44 »

The "influence" of such publishers (I'm not targeting EA specifically, they're all just about the money) is quite profound, to gamers and game developers. Take Westwood as an example. Bought out, ordered to work on shady projects outside of their comfort zone, low success rate, closed as a result of it. I don't know about you, but the developers at Westwood lost their team and the gamers lost a quite profound and loved game development company and that hurts. I certainly shook my head when that happened. Eidos + Looking Glass Technologies, same thing really and that one hurt me because I adored all LGT games. Microsoft + Ensemble, etc. etc.

That's why I fear a company like EA. They destroy good things through management decisions disregarding any sense.
Offline Cero
« Reply #38 - Posted 2013-04-23 17:12:21 »

The "influence" of such publishers (I'm not targeting EA specifically, they're all just about the money) is quite profound, to gamers and game developers. Take Westwood as an example. Bought out, ordered to work on shady projects outside of their comfort zone, low success rate, closed as a result of it. I don't know about you, but the developers at Westwood lost their team and the gamers lost a quite profound and loved game development company and that hurts. I certainly shook my head when that happened. Eidos + Looking Glass Technologies, same thing really and that one hurt me because I adored all LGT games. Microsoft + Ensemble, etc. etc.

That's why I fear a company like EA. They destroy good things through management decisions disregarding any sense.

That is true. However not every company has stock to buy, and a company makes a conscious decision to join the stock market.

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