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Offline HeroesGraveDev

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« Reply #30 - Posted 2013-02-01 22:12:39 »

A good reason for the age restriction is school.

It puts a huge dent in your available time.

So is anyone really interested, or are you just going to talk about it.

I would be happy to organise such an event here on JGO, if people had a good idea of want they want for each of these:

1. Restrictions & Rules. (Time limit, File size, Allowed Libraries, etc.)
2. Themes, if any. (and strictness on themes)
3. How entering works. (post on thread, submit to site)
4. How voting works. (Panel of judges, everyone who entered votes, everyone votes)
5. Categories for voting. (Graphics, Audio, Fun, Epicness etc.)

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« Reply #31 - Posted 2013-02-01 22:17:08 »

A good reason for the age restriction is school.

It puts a huge dent in your available time.

So is anyone really interested, or are you just going to talk about it.

I would be happy to organise such an event here on JGO, if people had a good idea of want they want for each of these:

1. Restrictions & Rules. (Time limit, File size, Allowed Libraries, etc.)
2. Themes, if any. (and strictness on themes)
3. How entering works. (post on thread, submit to site)
4. How voting works. (Panel of judges, everyone who entered votes, everyone votes)
5. Categories for voting. (Graphics, Audio, Fun, Epicness etc.)

All of those are fine by me. Cheesy Agreeing to this is scary though, because I find it hard to tell if I am able to put that time into that game at the time. I don't want to get crucified for wanting this jam, and then not being able to enter.

EDIT: Please be aware that anyone could be in school. In my country college is free, so people 40+ could still be studying full time.

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« Reply #32 - Posted 2013-02-01 22:21:31 »

Most people that aren't in school have a day job Wink

My thoughts on how it should go:
1. I think restrictions should be minimal, perhaps just a time limit. It should be your own code (except for graphics libraries of course), no copy-pasta. It should be *mostly* written during the competition, basic libraries should be allowed though (much like Ludum Dare).
2. I vote no restriction on theme.
3. Posting to a thread is probably easiest unless someone wants to throw together a site.
4. I think anyone on JGO should be able to vote if they want.
5. Fun, Innovation, Graphics, Audio, Originality
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Offline Mads

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« Reply #33 - Posted 2013-02-01 22:23:46 »

I think a theme should be set. What will make this different than normal game-making, except an accelerated process? Themes are fun. The LD themes tend to add a twist, which I quite enjoy.

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« Reply #34 - Posted 2013-02-01 22:42:23 »

Give this a name and ask Riven for a sub-forum here in JGO.

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« Reply #35 - Posted 2013-02-01 22:48:12 »

Don't think this deserves a sub-forum, not yet, until several people want to join. Until then maybe a free website or something.
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« Reply #36 - Posted 2013-02-01 22:50:06 »

Don't think this deserves a sub-forum, not yet, until several people want to join. Until then maybe a free website or something.

A "proper" contest takes a lot of administrative power though, and lot's of work. I think it'd be much faster and easier if we decide some rules and just post our games, like the 40x30 EGA thing back then. Smiley

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« Reply #37 - Posted 2013-02-01 23:04:59 »

So far:

Restrictions & Rules:
- 1 Week
- All content created during the week.
- Graphics libraries (LWJGL, Slick, LibGDX) are allowed.
- Personal libraries are allowed as long as they don't include any code for the actual game (ie: only utilities).
- Must work by yourself.

Theme:
- Undecided whether there is a theme or not.
- Maybe have an optional theme plus a category based on how well the theme was followed.

Submissions:
- Create a thread in a sub-forum if Riven helps with that.
- Otherwise, think of alternative options (blog, forum etc.).

Voting:
- Anyone on JGO can vote.
- If hosted here, then voting is done by posting your vote in the thread for that game.
- Vote 0-5 on each category.

Categories:
- Fun.
- Innovation.
- Originality.
- Graphics.
- Audio.
- Theme?

Overall rating by calculating the average of all the categories

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« Reply #38 - Posted 2013-02-02 00:14:37 »

@HeroesGraveDev that sounds pretty good to me although i think the one week limit may be too short :/
also if you would like to help i would be glad to if u wanna talk about it on skype or something

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« Reply #39 - Posted 2013-02-02 00:32:02 »

@HeroesGraveDev that sounds pretty good to me although i think the one week limit may be too short :/
also if you would like to help i would be glad to if u wanna talk about it on skype or something

1 week forces you to remove anything unneccessary and to get things done while giving you plenty of opportunities to restart and do something simpler.

So I assume that there are enough people to make this happen.

How about the 11th-17th February? Submissions closed on the 18th to account for time-zone differences. If this time is inconvenient then please say so.

Any suggestions for names?

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« Reply #40 - Posted 2013-02-02 00:35:38 »

1 week is a LOT. Remember, Ludum Dare is 48 hours and they produce some high quality stuff. Even with school 1 week should be enough.

I think a theme really needs to be mandatory to help the idea-impaired, and we would need judges (over 18) to judge the results. Also, I'm worried that some professional 30 year old will enter the competition and troll everyone...
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« Reply #41 - Posted 2013-02-02 01:55:54 »

1 week is a LOT. Remember, Ludum Dare is 48 hours and they produce some high quality stuff. Even with school 1 week should be enough.

I think a theme really needs to be mandatory to help the idea-impaired, and we would need judges (over 18) to judge the results. Also, I'm worried that some professional 30 year old will enter the competition and troll everyone...

If such a person would waste their time doing that, then they would have the mind of a <= 18 year old and therefore be eligible for the competition. Wink

The point about judges being > 18 is a good idea, except that there won't be too many people interested in a competition which they could not enter. I think if the voting is open to everyone it should be fine.

My biggest worry is that people will be too ambitious and hardly anyone will actually get anything done. That would be awkward. Undecided

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« Reply #42 - Posted 2013-02-02 03:06:38 »

Voting to everyone except the developers sounds fine. Solo only or groups allowed? (personal preference would be solo, allowing groups would be too complicated with the rules)
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« Reply #43 - Posted 2013-02-02 03:30:53 »

Voting to everyone except the developers sounds fine. Solo only or groups allowed? (personal preference would be solo, allowing groups would be too complicated with the rules)

Good point.

Solo only.

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« Reply #44 - Posted 2013-02-02 05:57:05 »

Took the liberty of making a google site so we can record opinions (gimme your gmail if you want edit privileges)

https://sites.google.com/site/javagaming18/

Don't worry, this is just for the stats, if the game competition needs a real website we'll use something other than google.
Post it if anything is off/doesn't work...

Current name suggestions:
1WU18 Comp (I think a bit too complicated but a decent start)
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« Reply #45 - Posted 2013-02-02 16:58:32 »

I think this is going to be great. @Jimmt my email is wreed58@gmail.com and i would love to be able to contribute to this since i started the post about this topic lol

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« Reply #46 - Posted 2013-02-02 17:15:48 »

Hah, added, apologies for me and heroesgrave hijacking the thread.
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« Reply #47 - Posted 2013-02-02 17:53:32 »

How can this contest ever be a success, if you limit the number of entrants to (realistically) 3-4 people.




A good reason for the age restriction is school.

It puts a huge dent in your available time.
As opposed to work and having a family, right? Let me burst that bubble: you have more free time now than you're going to have, until retirement.

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« Reply #48 - Posted 2013-02-02 18:13:14 »

@Riven most nights ill be lucky to get a half hour of free time (after track practice and homework and school). viewing most adults and my parents they seem to have much more then that

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« Reply #49 - Posted 2013-02-02 18:14:35 »

@Jimmt i agree with riven about the entrants. we shouldnt limit this contest to jgo users and java developers

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« Reply #50 - Posted 2013-02-02 19:36:01 »

Well the only other way to get more people is to open it up to all ages on JGO.

I am not against this, I would think a JGO competition would be cool, but it feels weird when this idea started off as a compo for <= 18 year olds.

Maybe we should remove the limit, or just have a private competition between the '3-4' people who are interested.

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« Reply #51 - Posted 2013-02-02 21:55:00 »

@Riven most nights ill be lucky to get a half hour of free time (after track practice and homework and school). viewing most adults and my parents they seem to have much more then that
Not really, are you going to want to start coding after 8-10 hours at work?

Non-jgo sounds ok, but I say stick with Java, there are enough java gamedev people.
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« Reply #52 - Posted 2013-02-02 21:58:46 »

Something like this, but covering a less complex topic and open for everyone would be cool imo. I think setting an age limit is a stupid idea. Being older may mean that you are able to produce higher-quality games, but it doesn't have to. And even if somebody who's older than 18 should win the contest than that's perfectly fine in my eyes. Contests of this kind are mainly not about winning but about gaining experience and stuff I guess.
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« Reply #53 - Posted 2013-02-02 22:19:38 »

That what categories are for.  In every normal sport competition there is gender category and age category. In physical contest its clear that a 12 year old will not beat a 21 year old (if both are trained) and also 50/60+ will have their own category. If there is any doubt if age matters then this can be a solution.  So there will be the best overall and the best in his own category.

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« Reply #54 - Posted 2013-02-02 22:37:37 »

Not really, are you going to want to start coding after 8-10 hours at work?
I def would. I still code after 14 hours of school/homework/practice every day
sometimes its less if i dont have that much hw
after only 8-10 hours i would most definitely be coding

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« Reply #55 - Posted 2013-02-02 22:53:01 »

That is only true for two player sports and board games. It's no fun to lose by sixty points, but such a situation occurs because the skill diference makes it easier to score 60 points. Contrast that with golf. The only theoretical limitation to contest entry is a minimum skill level. Another golfer's score does not change your own. I can think of a few titles of TV shows involving geeky contests with contestants age 10 to 80. They welcome anyone because the niche community is so small that they can't turn people away based on experience and they can't differentiate between ages because a 15 year old may just as likely have as much experience in medieval weaponry as a 40 year old.

"Large Dangerous Rockets" Exactly what it sounds like. (Separated by rocket fuel grade.)
"Chunkin Pumpkins" Launching pumpkins from trebuchets and cannons. (Separate by launching mechanism.)
"Kill Robots" Remote control robot contest involving flame throws, spikes, and saws. (Only one class; multiple contests. Many other robot related contests involve people of all ages.)
"Anvil Launching" People pack enough gun powder between two anvils to launch one of them a mile into the air and compete to see who can get the highest launch. (Separated into anvil weight classes.)
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« Reply #56 - Posted 2013-02-02 23:05:50 »

Private competition?

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« Reply #57 - Posted 2013-02-02 23:08:17 »

What about a 18+ competition ? only 18+ rated games allowed.

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« Reply #58 - Posted 2013-02-02 23:12:43 »

What about a 18+ competition ? only 18+ rated games allowed.

Now its getting interesting.

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« Reply #59 - Posted 2013-02-02 23:21:14 »

I like it when threads end up like this.


Sadly, I don't see this competition happening.

If someone does organise it, I will join, but I can't be bothered doing the work for nothing.

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