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Offline Z-Man
« Reply #90 - Posted 2012-10-18 02:04:56 »


Hi folks ! I'm the Eclipse 4 (Juno) dev lead...this is one of the most interesting Juno threads I've found so far (likely thanks to the screening done by your account registration quiz...;-).

I figured I should jump in with a few comments...Juno *is* marginally slower than Indigo for most scenarios but just by a few %. There are configurations that do experience more serious performance issues though (see https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=385272 for details). We're working away at these issues and SR1 (just out) covers some but not all of them (as well as containing a fix to allow detached windows to be maximized...).

In any case thanks for the input and feel free to open defects about anything you think is really bad.

My major gripe with 4.2 (auto-complete being slow to pop up and load) isn't fixed in SR1 :/ Pops up much faster in Eclipse 3.8.
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« Reply #91 - Posted 2012-10-18 03:10:27 »

Hi folks ! I'm the Eclipse 4 (Juno) dev lead...this is one of the most interesting Juno threads I've found so far (likely thanks to the screening done by your account registration quiz...;-).

I find hippie completion to be 5x or more slower than Java completion. Hippie completion should be faster, that is the whole point to it -- to quickly complete some text you know is nearby without having to look at a popup and choose an item. I find myself using ctrl+space,enter because hippie completion is too slow, and this makes me sad. Sad

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« Reply #92 - Posted 2012-10-18 04:12:51 »

I was going to but didn't mention, without the need to reply on the communit / plugins

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« Reply #93 - Posted 2012-11-04 14:46:12 »

just to note: there was an update for Juno SR1 and afterwards most of my performance problems (such as switching between open files lagging for a second) happen to be gone.
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« Reply #94 - Posted 2012-11-05 00:19:18 »

Still hideous though, no?

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Offline Cero
« Reply #95 - Posted 2012-11-05 01:27:28 »

Still hideous though, no?
Yes.

Offline gouessej
« Reply #96 - Posted 2012-11-05 01:39:33 »

just to note: there was an update for Juno SR1 and afterwards most of my performance problems (such as switching between open files lagging for a second) happen to be gone.
I already use Kepler and it contains a fix for my problem occurring on text edition lol, it was so slow in the past.

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« Reply #97 - Posted 2012-11-05 09:13:22 »

Still hideous though, no?

Cas Smiley

Not with the classic look Wink

Not all performance problems are gone though, the CSS editor is still a turd. And for some reason the application has huge graphical glitches when dragging around file tabs (to re-order them). I actually managed to make the entire screen go black for like 5 seconds by just dragging and dropping a tab :/
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« Reply #98 - Posted 2012-11-05 10:52:51 »

Oh, I can get it to do that in 3.7+

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« Reply #99 - Posted 2012-11-05 13:30:06 »

Weird, I didn't have that until Juno. Are you using a Windows version? I've seen Juno (even before SR1) running on a colleague's Macbook and it is flawless.
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« Reply #100 - Posted 2012-11-05 13:39:21 »

Does Eclipse have Netbeans version of it's debugger, because I found being able to see variable values in real time, amazing for debugging. Which is why I moved over to Netbeans.

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« Reply #101 - Posted 2012-11-05 13:53:12 »

Yes - I even prefer the debugger of Eclipse. But in essence they're both talking to the debugger service of the JVM, its not like they'll have different features. Just a slightly different UI representation.

I did see some weird behavior in Juno - the variables view was empty while on the first line of a method. I had to step to the second line for at least 'this' to appear there :/
Offline gouessej
« Reply #102 - Posted 2012-11-05 21:06:39 »

Does Eclipse have Netbeans version of it's debugger, because I found being able to see variable values in real time, amazing for debugging. Which is why I moved over to Netbeans.
I sometimes use Netbeans 7.2.1 and I can't see variable values in real time, I can see them only in debug mode during a pause like in Eclipse.

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« Reply #103 - Posted 2012-11-06 09:24:31 »

Does Eclipse have Netbeans version of it's debugger, because I found being able to see variable values in real time, amazing for debugging. Which is why I moved over to Netbeans.
I sometimes use Netbeans 7.2.1 and I can't see variable values in real time, I can see them only in debug mode during a pause like in Eclipse.

*world implodes*

So now we have one person using Netbeans to see variables in real time because allegedly it is not possible in Eclipse (which I can testify is not true) and one person claiming it is the other way around. Perhaps you should give each other your IDE installation Smiley
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« Reply #104 - Posted 2012-11-06 09:28:17 »

I did ask the question if Eclipse had it as well, because I just didn't know of it being in eclipse. I'm hardly dedicated to one or other though as said before the moving tabs is really annoying when it goes haywire which always happened to me.

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« Reply #105 - Posted 2012-11-06 10:49:01 »

I can't see how realtime updating of variables is generally useful :/ Mine tend to update at 60Hz.

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Offline ReBirth
« Reply #106 - Posted 2012-11-06 12:27:28 »

After holding for long time, in order to use libgdx's html5 feature I downloaded eclipse juno for j2ee persecutioncomplex

Offline gimbal

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« Reply #107 - Posted 2012-11-06 21:42:27 »

I can't see how realtime updating of variables is generally useful :/ Mine tend to update at 60Hz.

Cas Smiley

Argh, through that joke I finally get the "realtime" aspect of the question. As in anytime when NOT halted on a breakpoint.

Indeed, Eclipse does not do that out of the box as far as I know.
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« Reply #108 - Posted 2012-11-08 07:00:47 »

I have eclipse 4.2.0. Is that bad?  persecutioncomplex

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« Reply #109 - Posted 2012-11-09 14:13:56 »

Depends. If you're on a Mac you're pretty much safe as whatever problems exist (other than looking hideous out of the box) seem to be locked to Windows 7 and Linux. This issue thread explains all:

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=385272

A big performance improvement is coming in the next service release apparently.
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