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Offline erikd

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« Reply #60 - Posted 2012-07-14 12:10:30 »

There will always be cynical articles predicting doom and gloom.
Perhaps it will fail, but there are some big names behind it like Yves Behar whom I'm sure wouldn't want to be involved in a kickstarter scam.
I'd like to stay optimistic about this.

Offline Sickan

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« Reply #61 - Posted 2012-07-14 14:03:14 »

The price tag looks impossibly low I do agree - just a plain beagleboard costs more than that. Either it is a low introductory price, or they will recoup their losses in their game marketplace.
They get 30% of every purchase and each game is try-before-you-buy. I'm curious whether they will manage to go with profit.

On another note their Kickstarter pledges have more or less died off now, going from ~700,000 pledges/24 hours to somewhere around  ~7,000 pledges/24 hours. It's pretty much losing 99% of their Kickstarter-pledge-momentum.
Offline Mads

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« Reply #62 - Posted 2012-07-14 15:52:25 »

The price tag looks impossibly low I do agree - just a plain beagleboard costs more than that. Either it is a low introductory price, or they will recoup their losses in their game marketplace.
They get 30% of every purchase and each game is try-before-you-buy. I'm curious whether they will manage to go with profit.

On another note their Kickstarter pledges have more or less died off now, going from ~700,000 pledges/24 hours to somewhere around  ~7,000 pledges/24 hours. It's pretty much losing 99% of their Kickstarter-pledge-momentum.

Perhaps all the people interested bought the first day. 4M is quite the pool of money.

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Offline jdgamedev

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« Reply #63 - Posted 2012-07-14 16:05:49 »

The price tag looks impossibly low I do agree - just a plain beagleboard costs more than that. Either it is a low introductory price, or they will recoup their losses in their game marketplace.
They get 30% of every purchase and each game is try-before-you-buy. I'm curious whether they will manage to go with profit.

On another note their Kickstarter pledges have more or less died off now, going from ~700,000 pledges/24 hours to somewhere around  ~7,000 pledges/24 hours. It's pretty much losing 99% of their Kickstarter-pledge-momentum.

It was my understanding that the first couple days and the last couple days are the most intense for a lot of Kickstarter projects. They've also already exceeded the goal quite a bit which might be discouraging some from donating.

It ain't over til the fat lady sings.

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Offline pitbuller
« Reply #64 - Posted 2012-07-14 16:18:33 »

The price tag looks impossibly low I do agree - just a plain beagleboard costs more than that. Either it is a low introductory price, or they will recoup their losses in their game marketplace.
They get 30% of every purchase and each game is try-before-you-buy. I'm curious whether they will manage to go with profit.

On another note their Kickstarter pledges have more or less died off now, going from ~700,000 pledges/24 hours to somewhere around  ~7,000 pledges/24 hours. It's pretty much losing 99% of their Kickstarter-pledge-momentum.

Last time I checked last night it was 4.45M and now its 4.67M. It's still over 200k at around 17-19hours timeline.
Offline Cero
« Reply #65 - Posted 2012-07-14 17:54:47 »

Perhaps all the people interested bought the first day. 4M is quite the pool of money.

Personally I would just run away with it.

Offline theagentd
« Reply #66 - Posted 2012-07-14 21:56:30 »

Perhaps all the people interested bought the first day. 4M is quite the pool of money.

Personally I would just run away with it.
With 4.7 million dollars I could get quad SLI of 4 watercooled Geforce GTX 680's with 4GB VRAM and still have around 4.68 million left! I'm so economic!

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Offline ags1

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« Reply #67 - Posted 2012-07-14 22:24:54 »

You'd probably find that driver problems would prevent you from actually playing anything... :-( I advise you to spend 100k at least of a mean legal team, and another 50k on tax advice.

Offline Mads

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« Reply #68 - Posted 2012-07-14 22:42:13 »

Perhaps all the people interested bought the first day. 4M is quite the pool of money.

Personally I would just run away with it.
With 4.7 million dollars I could get quad SLI of 4 watercooled Geforce GTX 680's with 4GB VRAM and still have around 4.68 million left! I'm so economic!

20K on hardware? That's a little steep.

Offline theagentd
« Reply #69 - Posted 2012-07-15 01:10:57 »

Perhaps all the people interested bought the first day. 4M is quite the pool of money.

Personally I would just run away with it.
With 4.7 million dollars I could get quad SLI of 4 watercooled Geforce GTX 680's with 4GB VRAM and still have around 4.68 million left! I'm so economic!

20K on hardware? That's a little steep.
I estimated a $1000 cost per card + "misc". Indeed, I think I overestimated "misc" a bit. =S

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Offline ra4king

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« Reply #70 - Posted 2012-07-15 01:58:01 »

18-card SLI with the rest on "misc" Cheesy

Offline ReBirth
« Reply #71 - Posted 2012-07-15 03:04:01 »

Even if only I got 1M, I would still quit world boring life and went andventure!

Offline ags1

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« Reply #72 - Posted 2012-07-15 12:21:30 »

Perhaps all the people interested bought the first day. 4M is quite the pool of money.

Personally I would just run away with it.
With 4.7 million dollars I could get quad SLI of 4 watercooled Geforce GTX 680's with 4GB VRAM and still have around 4.68 million left! I'm so economic!


20K on hardware? That's a little steep.

Why would you need such awesome hardware when you could just get an ouya for 99$? :-)

Offline Roquen
« Reply #73 - Posted 2012-07-15 12:37:39 »

Cost of goods on the Nexus 7 is 199 USD.  I'm really not seeing this happen at 99 USD.
Offline pitbuller
« Reply #74 - Posted 2012-07-15 13:08:35 »

Cost of goods on the Nexus 7 is 199 USD.  I'm really not seeing this happen at 99 USD.

Big touch screen and good battery cost a lot. They have around 9months before they start selling it and that brings cost down even more.
Offline Roquen
« Reply #75 - Posted 2012-07-15 13:45:31 »

The lion's share of the cost is gotta be the integrated nvidia chip...so that has to come down.
Offline pitbuller
« Reply #76 - Posted 2012-07-15 16:27:28 »

The lion's share of the cost is gotta be the integrated nvidia chip...so that has to come down.
Its cost about 25$ for nvidia according from that. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nvidia-Tegra-3-Costs-Between-15-25-11-3-to-18-9-Says-Company-236695.shtml

Offline erikd

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« Reply #77 - Posted 2012-07-15 16:30:05 »

Tegra 3 is about $25...

One thing that brings down costs a lot is that it doesn't have to be crammed in a tiny little case, so you can use cheaper conventional production methods.
Also: no big OLED touch screen (the most expensive component),  no tiger glass, no battery, no 3G/4G antenna, no SIM slot, no speaker.
What I'm more worried about is the controller. Sure there are $10 controllers from China, but they can't exactly be described as "a love letter to games".

EDIT: pitbuller beat me to it  Smiley

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« Reply #78 - Posted 2012-07-15 17:23:31 »

Production runs of custom boards are still going to be pricey unless you do it in very large batches.  Then again if the Pi can sell for 25 quid, the costs must have come way way down.  Still lots of externalities to consider though, like "where are the games?", because "if you build it they will come" is their model, they're still as sunk as the Bismarck.
Offline erikd

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« Reply #79 - Posted 2012-07-15 18:05:48 »

Quote
Production runs of custom boards are still going to be pricey unless you do it in very large batches.

Don't you consider a budget for more than 48000 units a large batch?

Offline Roquen
« Reply #80 - Posted 2012-07-15 18:08:02 »

No even 100K isn't a large batch.
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« Reply #81 - Posted 2012-07-15 18:24:34 »

100K is a small production run, but a very respectable batch size.  FoxConn won't be beating down your door to send you a bid, but there are plenty of other manufacturers who would take that.  Still don't see the total cost staying below $100 unless they ship you a board with no case or box ... or warranty.

Offline erikd

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« Reply #82 - Posted 2012-07-15 18:57:30 »

Foxconn do iPads, iPhones, XBox 360s, PS3s etc. They're one of the most high-profile electronics assembly lines now.
They obviously won't do Ouya. But that doesn't mean that 48K units isn't a very respectable batch, especially considering it doesn't require a very specialized manufacturing process.

Offline Roquen
« Reply #83 - Posted 2012-07-15 20:53:16 »

I wasn't being clear.  50K, 100K initial run isn't sufficiently large enough to make a marked impact on your price-point.  You're buying enough stuff from folks that they'll return your calls, but they ain't going be cutting you slack on price.  Let's assume that the linked info on the nvidia chips is correct (because if it's on the internet, then it must be true) then they'll be falling at around the 25 USD end.  That's pretty much game over for hitting 99 USD (+shipping/handling) to the consumer.
Offline pitbuller
« Reply #84 - Posted 2012-07-15 21:40:27 »

I wasn't being clear.  50K, 100K initial run isn't sufficiently large enough to make a marked impact on your price-point.  You're buying enough stuff from folks that they'll return your calls, but they ain't going be cutting you slack on price.  Let's assume that the linked info on the nvidia chips is correct (because if it's on the internet, then it must be true) then they'll be falling at around the 25 USD end.  That's pretty much game over for hitting 99 USD (+shipping/handling) to the consumer.

From the original source 15-25$ almoust year ago. http://www.tegra3.org/tegra-3-set-for-fast-start-as-nvidia-announces-high-profits-for-q3/
So 99$ should be plausible but not profitable.
Offline ReBirth
« Reply #85 - Posted 2012-07-16 10:41:09 »


Why would you need such awesome hardware when you could just get an ouya for 99$? :-)
If only it comes true~

Offline theagentd
« Reply #86 - Posted 2012-07-16 11:42:20 »

18-card SLI with the rest on "misc" Cheesy
Hahaha, 18-card SLI would give you 60 FPS as long as each card can render a frame in 300ms. The input delay would be hilarious! xDDD


Why would you need such awesome hardware when you could just get an ouya for 99$? :-)
If only it comes true~
1. The Ouya doesn't exist yet.
2. I'm ready to spend a bit more than $99 for gaming hardware.

Myomyomyo.
Offline erikd

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« Reply #87 - Posted 2012-07-16 13:16:33 »

Interestingly you can buy an Android tablet for about $75 with twice the storage, the same amount of RAM, a battery, camera, speaker, touchscreen etc. Obviously it has a weaker CPU/GPU and no controller, but there you go.

Offline gouessej
« Reply #88 - Posted 2012-07-16 19:18:25 »

You're not blind, you should not have created this thread but you don't mind. I assume you will probably do it again and again. There is already a thread about Raspberry Pi, why not create yet another thread about it?

Offline Mads

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« Reply #89 - Posted 2012-07-16 19:46:28 »

You're not blind, you should not have created this thread but you don't mind. I assume you will probably do it again and again. There is already a thread about Raspberry Pi, why not create yet another thread about it?

Whoa. I hate to ask people to cool off. How angry can we possibly get about this? In this specific case I agree that it's inconvenient, but really?

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