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« Reply #60 - Posted 2012-05-09 20:42:43 »

18 months? Did you find out what was wrong with it? What were you doing with it? 18 months ago SSD's were quite small, how many GB was it? Either way those things should have 10+ years at least and be more secure than conventional HD's, even though they have that "limit".
SSD's are typically a tad worse in reliability. The write-limit has nothing to do with it. The controllers simply screw up, leaving your SSD bricked.

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« Reply #61 - Posted 2012-05-09 21:10:09 »

18 months? Did you find out what was wrong with it? What were you doing with it? 18 months ago SSD's were quite small, how many GB was it? Either way those things should have 10+ years at least and be more secure than conventional HD's, even though they have that "limit".
SSD's are typically a tad worse in reliability. The write-limit has nothing to do with it. The controllers simply screw up, leaving your SSD bricked.

What, really? I thought for sure an article I read... like a year+ ago Tongue, concluded that SSD are much more reliable. Maybe it just depends on the manufacturer, the first SSD's were basically exactly the same. Perhaps today they actually ARE more reliable? Afaik, SSD can't/shouldn't get bricked? You should be able to read as much as you want, only overwriting has a limit. ??

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« Reply #62 - Posted 2012-05-09 21:50:43 »

I hate to repeat myself, but I already explained that it had nothing to do with the write-limit. It's still 'buggy' controller firmware, even for Intel SSDs. These things simply take at least a decade to get all the kinks ironed out. Until then, we'll have bricked SSDs, just like we have HDD failures. Worst is, that once an SSD fails, there is absolutely no way to recover the data.

If you'd be working with lots of drives (not just buying 1 or 2), you'd see that the SSDs die all over the place. In servers, they are run at least in RAID1, obviously not for performance. Don't assume that because the SSD has no moving parts, it would be orders of magnitude more reliable, as said, it's slightly worse.

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« Reply #63 - Posted 2012-05-09 22:37:24 »

SSD quality varies like crazy between vendors.  Samsung SSDs have a pretty good reputation -- it's what Apple uses for the Macbook Air.
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« Reply #64 - Posted 2012-05-09 23:04:28 »

I recently bought a 60gb Intel ssd for families' PC. It was fine for a few weeks and then now there is this constant issue with it not being recognized by the bios. But it's also completely unreliable, sometimes you can just restart and others the only thing that works is power cycling.
From my point of view their more than they're cracked up to be.

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« Reply #65 - Posted 2012-05-09 23:06:21 »

I recently bought a 60gb Intel ssd for families' PC. It was fine for a few weeks and then now there is this constant issue with it not being recognized by the bios. But it's also completely unreliable, sometimes you can just restart and others the only thing that works is power cycling.
From my point of view their more than they're cracked up to be.
I have an SSD and even if I had to replace it every two months, I'd still not go back to a HDD for OS and apps. persecutioncomplex

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« Reply #66 - Posted 2012-05-09 23:09:33 »

I recently bought a 60gb Intel ssd for families' PC. It was fine for a few weeks and then now there is this constant issue with it not being recognized by the bios. But it's also completely unreliable, sometimes you can just restart and others the only thing that works is power cycling.
From my point of view their more than they're cracked up to be.
I have an SSD and even if I had to replace it every two months, I'd still not go back to a HDD for OS and apps. persecutioncomplex
I wouldn't want to go back to HDD either, but after a while I think it would not be worth the hassle. Sometimes I would happily sacrifice performance for reliability.

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« Reply #67 - Posted 2012-05-10 03:09:35 »

one day I turned the pc on and all screen just stayed black, no post, nothing...
spent a day trying to figure out which part is the culprit (I'm no hardware guy, and that a broken SSD/HDD could have that effect was new to me)
whenever I connected the SSD there would either be no post at all, or it would recognize the drive, depding on the SATA slot on the mainboard
however I was aware that this has nothing to do wit "the SSD limit" since thats only after PETA bytes of data.

So makes sense that it bricked

I have an SSD and even if I had to replace it every two months, I'd still not go back to a HDD for OS and apps. persecutioncomplex
Eh... *shrug* I think SSDs arent worth it. This was a 32GB SSD for 80 euro. I made the OS boot up, 10 seconds faster, linux actually lightning fast, and apps were starting faster marginally
but usually you dont notice and its just too expensive.
So I dont care for SSDs anymore. At least for now.

Reinstalling a highly customized OS is always fun...

I really need to backup my files though, to return to topic.
Actually I would like to do with the cloud... but internet services for this are quite expensive; on the other hand, like I said, the really important stuff isnt really all that much

maybe I should buy like 4  8GB USB drives and a hub, and backup everything occasionally on all of them

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« Reply #68 - Posted 2012-05-10 05:36:01 »

My cheap offsite backup is:

1) 7zip my VC directory
2) email it to myself at cycling addresses.
3) done.

Not very handy if you have assets in VC...but for code it's just fine.
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« Reply #69 - Posted 2012-05-10 05:50:09 »

F that SSD, they're expensive, let me go back to that shining circle disk!

For java code I have plan to use dropbox, but I'm still wondering how to change my Eclipse's workspace to that dropbox directory for auto-upload >.>

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« Reply #70 - Posted 2012-05-10 06:18:00 »

Simple, just use a symbolic link.

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« Reply #71 - Posted 2012-05-10 06:24:40 »

Simple, just use a symbolic link.
wth is that?
I know it looks like shortcut but telling eclipse to store my next and current workspace to a new directory?

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« Reply #72 - Posted 2012-05-10 06:52:41 »

It has nothing to do with Eclipse. Just create a symbolic link (I use this cool extension) of your workspace into the Dropbox folder. I use this to backup all my files which are spread out over different folders.

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« Reply #73 - Posted 2012-05-10 07:42:04 »

Oh I see, so dropbox will get deceived? Grin
Wait, updating my real workspace doesn't trigger upload??? Shocked

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« Reply #74 - Posted 2012-05-10 09:12:40 »

Oh I see, so dropbox will get deceived? Grin
Wait, updating my real workspace doesn't trigger upload??? Shocked
Yes, Dropbox will think it's a normal folder.

Of course it will! A symbolic link is like a shortcut...but more native. The link looks as if it belongs there but it really is a shortcut to the other folder. The folder appears at two places at once but the data is only at 1 place. It's quite confusing Tongue

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« Reply #75 - Posted 2012-05-10 09:16:51 »

No it won't. I dropped a junction on dropbox's folder. It uploaded. Then I deleted a file on real place, dropbox didn't move.

@theagentd: sorry for hijacking your thread, but this must be finished.

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« Reply #76 - Posted 2012-05-10 09:17:20 »

Dropbox isn't instant Wink

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« Reply #77 - Posted 2012-05-10 09:19:59 »

No it won't. I dropped a junction on dropbox's folder. It uploaded. Then I deleted a file on real place, dropbox didn't move.

@theagentd: sorry for hijacking your thread, but this must be finished.
I´m wondering this too, so you´re not really hijacking the thread. xd I was planning on simply putting my workspace folder in my Dropbox folder...

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« Reply #78 - Posted 2012-05-10 09:26:01 »

Dropbox isn't instant Wink
It is  Cranky wgen you modif something on its folder it'll go syncing except you disable it. Even adding a space to a text file will.

I´m wondering this too, so you´re not really hijacking the thread. xd I was planning on simply putting my workspace folder in my Dropbox folder...
Green light to go wild  Grin

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« Reply #79 - Posted 2012-05-10 09:32:15 »

Why don't we have apt-get install mycloud yet? Seriously. It isn't that hard to sync files through tubes... and as theagentd, for the time being, can't reach all his existing code anyway, I assign this task to him.

       

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« Reply #80 - Posted 2012-05-10 10:57:48 »

I have an SSD and even if I had to replace it every two months, I'd still not go back to a HDD for OS and apps. persecutioncomplex
Agreed, SSD's have been the biggest practical performance boost that PC's have seen in a long time. With all the other components having got faster and better year on year, standard HDD have pretty much become the performance bottleneck. As for reliability, it is massively better with the current generation of SSD's (probably on par with or better than HDD for average desktop use).
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« Reply #81 - Posted 2012-05-10 11:13:24 »

As for reliability, it is massively better with the current generation of SSD's (probably on par with or better than HDD for average desktop use).

Mm, delicious contradictions..

Sigh, I guess I just have to buy myself an SSD and decide for myself. I've been putting it off since I really don't need one, loading time isn't an issue and the SSD's are so small that not everything would fit anyway, only the OS basically. My PC is on 24/7 :l

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« Reply #82 - Posted 2012-05-10 11:19:19 »

I've been putting it off since I really don't need one, loading time isn't an issue and the SSD's are so small that not everything would fit anyway, only the OS basically. My PC is on 24/7 :l
It isn't that you need it. You get used to the (sudden) snappiness of the PC. When you go back to your other PC, with equal CPU, equal GPU, equal RAM, but running on an HDD, it feels sluggish. All those 1-2s delays you encounter troughout the day, will from now on be unforgivable. Buying an SSD will spoil you forever.

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« Reply #83 - Posted 2012-05-10 19:58:07 »

I've been putting it off since I really don't need one, loading time isn't an issue and the SSD's are so small that not everything would fit anyway, only the OS basically. My PC is on 24/7 :l
It isn't that you need it. You get used to the (sudden) snappiness of the PC. When you go back to your other PC, with equal CPU, equal GPU, equal RAM, but running on an HDD, it feels sluggish. All those 1-2s delays you encounter troughout the day, will from now on be unforgivable. Buying an SSD will spoil you forever.

Can't really agree. Well I'm patient.
If you have the money, to SSDs and replace them if they fail ok.
However reinstalling EVERYTHING is a tedious day of work...

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« Reply #84 - Posted 2012-05-10 20:11:25 »

I've been putting it off since I really don't need one, loading time isn't an issue and the SSD's are so small that not everything would fit anyway, only the OS basically. My PC is on 24/7 :l
It isn't that you need it. You get used to the (sudden) snappiness of the PC. When you go back to your other PC, with equal CPU, equal GPU, equal RAM, but running on an HDD, it feels sluggish. All those 1-2s delays you encounter troughout the day, will from now on be unforgivable. Buying an SSD will spoil you forever.

Can't really agree. Well I'm patient.
If you have the money, to SSDs and replace them if they fail ok.
However reinstalling EVERYTHING is a tedious day of work...
That's why I make a system image of my 60GB SSD 2-3 times a month to my HDD so if the SSD ever fails, I have an exact copy on hand Smiley

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« Reply #85 - Posted 2012-05-10 22:54:27 »

I've been putting it off since I really don't need one, loading time isn't an issue and the SSD's are so small that not everything would fit anyway, only the OS basically. My PC is on 24/7 :l
It isn't that you need it. You get used to the (sudden) snappiness of the PC. When you go back to your other PC, with equal CPU, equal GPU, equal RAM, but running on an HDD, it feels sluggish. All those 1-2s delays you encounter troughout the day, will from now on be unforgivable. Buying an SSD will spoil you forever.

Can't really agree. Well I'm patient.
If you have the money, to SSDs and replace them if they fail ok.
However reinstalling EVERYTHING is a tedious day of work...
That's why I make a system image of my 60GB SSD 2-3 times a month to my HDD so if the SSD ever fails, I have an exact copy on hand Smiley

Tried this once, didn't work really, but I dont remember specifics
gotta try again.
though a 60GB file is of course annoying, apart from making it...

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« Reply #86 - Posted 2012-05-10 23:00:06 »

Annoying making it? I have the built in system image creator set to run weekly.

And a 60GB file isn't that much on my 2TB 7200RPM HDD Grin

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« Reply #87 - Posted 2012-05-12 21:56:41 »

IT'S ALIIIIIIIIVE!!! And nothing important is lost!!!

Okay, ASUS can have my babies. Okay, they were slow (3-4 weeks), BUT:
 - Bought computer in Sweden, had it repaired in Japan.
 - They ordered parts (motherboard + charger) from Europe since it's not a model sold in Japan, which is why it took so long time in the first place.
 - Got an L connector on my power block this time. I had a straight connector last time which is what broke the charger pin in the first place.
 - Decent call center. Most of the time they had an English speaking person there. xd Most of the time. xD
 - THEY LISTENED. "Please don't erase the hard drive!" "Okay, we'll skip the hard drive test then, no problem."
 - Shipping like a pro. Computer got picked up from my home, packaged in a super special box for computers, and then delivered back to me the same way. Better packaging than when I bought it! >_>
 - New battery.
 - AND IT WAS ALL FREE! Warranty covered it all, probably since it's a very common problem with this computer model. Hopefully it won't happen again with the new motherboard and charger (or happen before the warranty runs out xD).


All my programming is safe on Dropbox now since they didn't erase the hard drive! Now I just need to pick up a new external one in Akiba!

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« Reply #88 - Posted 2012-05-12 23:37:33 »

What exactly was wrong with your laptop?

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« Reply #89 - Posted 2012-05-13 02:32:57 »

A metal pin inside the charger socket came off and got stuck in the charger --> impossible to charge the laptop since one of the connectors isn't touching. Said charger socket is attached to the motherboard. The connector had been designed by a 3-year-old. The metal pin about 1mm thick, but gets thinner to around 0.5mm just where it's attached to the laptop. It didn't even break off, the soldering just came off by putting and pulling out the charger. The charger cable was also a straight one, not an L shaped one, so it moves around even more. The problem is really common with my computer model, and there's a mile long thread on the ASUS forums about this problem.

Since the only real problem was that I couldn't charge the battery, I had battery time to back up everything to my external hard drive. Which broke. Since ASUS specifically said that they would have to format the internal hard drive for testing I thought all hope was gone.

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