Blue Saga

[Mads]

I'd really to see the window resizable. It's a pet peeve of mine.

EDIT: I found a really easily fixed bug.

Notice the particles are in front of the GUI.

[Connor]

Wow that looks pretty awesome.
Nice and neat, I love the trees.

[Morgan Allen]

Looks like I'll have to check this out at some point.  The art is super-adorbz.

If you're letting players allocate skill points directly rather than having a class system, are you planning to go bethesda and have skills advance through practice?

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[skullbox]

Wow that looks pretty awesome.
Nice and neat, I love the trees.

Thanks! Working on a new version with one single giant world map with open seas and island to explore by boat.
And in the new version you will be able to go behind trees and similar objects.

Looks like I'll have to check this out at some point.  The art is super-adorbz.

If you're letting players allocate skill points directly rather than having a class system, are you planning to go bethesda and have skills advance through practice?

Thank you! Yes you get better in your skill by using it, then you have your regular attributes such as STRENGTH, DEXTERITY and INTELLIGENCE that increases for each level depending on which class you've chosen. Not sure yet about the class-system, but I also have a lot of families of creatures to work with, so need to keep a bit simple in the beginning in order to balance it well.

[Morgan Allen]

Thank you! Yes you get better in your skill by using it, then you have your regular attributes such as STRENGTH, DEXTERITY and INTELLIGENCE that increases for each level depending on which class you've chosen. Not sure yet about the class-system, but I also have a lot of families of creatures to work with, so need to keep a bit simple in the beginning in order to balance it well.

Interesting.  One thing that occurs to me is that you could have root attributes increase along with practice in the skills they boost, and/or possibly allow PCs to train eachother in particular skills when their players are offline?

One complaint I've heard about practice-based progression is that PCs can eventually become omnicompetent in all areas.  Is that part of why you want to have a class system?

[kpars]

This is neither the beginning nor the end, but the end of the beginning, this is the start of legacy.
Good god, that sounds like something Morgan Freeman would say.

Really though, amazing work so far! I LOVE the art style.
Keep us updated.

[Quirq]

Amazing graphics! I'm astounded at the awesomeness of these.

It just keeps getting better.
I hope to see great things from this. Keep it up

[skullbox]

Amazing graphics! I'm astounded at the awesomeness of these.

It just keeps getting better.
I hope to see great things from this. Keep it up

Thanks!

I'm releasing a new version soon, with larger more open world, so no more loading times between areas, everything is just one big world, and you can go down into caves, making it just fade between the areas, it will be much smoother. And now you can travel the seas by boats as well, so you will all have your own boat that you will be able to upgrade.







Playable characters will be able to evolve


Working on the story now, perhaps someone can help me? Want to start from the beginning of time and this is what I have, but it is a bit long for an intro, maybe it can be shortened down a bit. I don't want players to have a lot of screens to skip through:

- At the beginning of time, the ancients roamed the seas. It was called the "Age of Ancients".
- Endless battles took place as their wrath clashed toghether. The fallen corpses became land and its souls sparked new life, and so the great families were created.
- As the remaining ancients wrath cooled down they dissappeared into the depths.
- The soulstones left behind gave strength to its creations til the day one of the families decided to collect them all.
- First the lord of fire gathered them with its burning armies, and so the "Age of Fire" began. The eternal flames grew taller and its heat could be felt all across the oceans.
- But their possession didn't last long, soon after the undead arose and swept their smouldering grounds as Death challenged the fire gods. As their armies collided, the soul stones got lost, and so began the "Lost Age". This is the age of adventure and discovery, as massive armadas of pirates set out on the great seas to try their luck on finding lost treasures.
- And so begins your adventure, or so you thought. As pirates roams the seas, ancient beasts awaken from their deep sleep. Many unfortunate sailors felt their wrath, and so did you.

[ctomni231]

If I may suggest/interject.

I would actually suggest that you slowly tell this story as you get farther and farther into the world. Maybe you can have the major quest be trying to avenge your ancestors in the world along with a lot of minor quests to keep the player interested for a longer period of time. People do love mysteries, and people also do not like reading blocks of text.

Revealing the story in one line excerpts little by little can give a little more insight in the world without bogging the people down with text. (Like I tend to do so much in my posts... )

[sproingie]

Not just bogging people down with exposition, but that if you tell the big story up front, the rest of the world is, well, just sitting there, and now it has the job of living up to the billing.  If you discover the story of the setting through interacting with the world itself, it gives the world you explore a sense of depth.

Gone are the days of CRPGs that ship in cardboard boxes with a manual, The Book Of Backstory, a stack of floppies, and a cloth map.  People, at least some people, do still love reading long color texts -- the Elder Scrolls games each practically have a novel's worth in the various books you come across -- but none of it is really required reading, and more importantly, it's all in-game.

Take a look at Bastion: the story starts with absolutely nothing, and you discover a strange and beautiful world through narration.  Now compare to the Heroes of Might and Magic series: there is actually a lot of lore in the HoMM world, and I mean a lot, with epic Tolkienesque histories of gods and races and empires and so on ... and it's all sitting in a bunch of docs on websites.  The games themselves tell virtually none of the story, and at least for me, are among the shallowest most tedious strategy games I've ever played, with each new installment feeling like a new graphical theme on the old game.  I'm told the games are getting a little better at the story, but I wouldn't know, I gave up about an hour through HoMM5.

Be like Bastion, not HoMM.

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[skullbox]

Thanks a lot for the feedback! I agree with you, I also love the mystery in certain games like dark souls.

So should I leave out everything, just start the game? Or should I have one sentence, something to just set the ambience? 

[HeroesGraveDev]

It crashes for me.

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Sat Jun 15 09:53:00  2013 INFO:Slick Build #274 Sat Jun 15 09:53:00  2013 INFO:LWJGL Version: 2.8.4 Sat Jun 15 09:53:00  2013 INFO:OriginalDisplayMode: 1366 x 768 x 32 @60Hz Sat Jun 15 09:53:00  2013 INFO:TargetDisplayMode: 1024 x 640 x 0 @0Hz Sat Jun 15 09:53:00  2013 INFO:Starting display 1024x640 Sat Jun 15 09:53:00  2013 INFO:Use Java PNG Loader = true Sat Jun 15 09:53:00  2013 INFO:Controllers not available opened database. startingpath: /C:/Users/(EDITED OUT)/BlueSaga/images/ Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException         at game.g.b(Unknown Source)         at game.g.a(Unknown Source)         at game.g.b(Unknown Source)         at game.g.a(Unknown Source)         at game.BlueSaga.init(Unknown Source)         at org.newdawn.slick.AppGameContainer.setup(AppGameContainer.java:390)         at org.newdawn.slick.AppGameContainer.start(AppGameContainer.java:314)         at game.BlueSaga.main(Unknown Source)

And I have to terminate the process manually.

[skullbox]

It crashes for me.

And I have to terminate the process manually.

Ok something had crashed on the server, try now.

[HeroesGraveDev]

Ok something had crashed on the server, try now.

Same error still.

[skullbox]

Ok something had crashed on the server, try now.

Same error still.

Ok, I'm releasing a new version soon, with the ability to run in browser as well, hopefully it will solve the problem.

[Geemili]

I am on linux, and when I try to run the game I get this error:

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Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no lwjgl in java.library.path    at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary(ClassLoader.java:1860)    at java.lang.Runtime.loadLibrary0(Runtime.java:845)    at java.lang.System.loadLibrary(System.java:1084)    at org.lwjgl.Sys$1.run(Sys.java:73)    at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)    at org.lwjgl.Sys.doLoadLibrary(Sys.java:66)    at org.lwjgl.Sys.loadLibrary(Sys.java:95)    at org.lwjgl.Sys.<clinit>(Sys.java:112)    at org.lwjgl.opengl.Display.<clinit>(Display.java:132)    at org.newdawn.slick.AppGameContainer$1.run(AppGameContainer.java:39)    at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)    at org.newdawn.slick.AppGameContainer.<clinit>(AppGameContainer.java:36)    at game.BlueSaga.main(Unknown Source)

And I have to terminate manually.

[skullbox]

Aah sorry forgot to include runtime files for linux, I will do it for the next version!
Thanks for pointing that out!

[Geemili]

Ok, hopefully I can run it on linux after that.

Also, I dual boot with windows, and I got the same error as HerosGraveDev when I tried to run it.

[skullbox]

Ok, the new version is completely different from the one available now, that is why I don't fix bugs in it, i will try and get the new version out as soon as possible so you guys can test it and give me feedback. Working on story-elements at the moment, and polishing the graphics and map design.

[NegativeZero]

I just went to play, but the server was offline :/

[Lestat]

I'm on linux also :p can't wait to play this game, it looks awesome!

[Bassex96]

Need a website for the game?

[skullbox]

Need a website for the game?

I will need a new site soon, but I put all my time in the game at the moment.
Will make a new design for it soon, I can post the design here later so you can give me feedback on it.

[skullbox]

New version v0.411 of the client is up!
Added runtime files for linux and now there is a new island available that you can go to with your own boat. But you need to complete the quests to get it first.

Download the client here -> www.bluesaga.org

[mrdeathjockey]

Amazing. I was hooked by the header image of this thread for some time now but never bothered to check it. Well, turns out that I'm missing out! Definitely a +1 on the art, simplistic and cute, looks very polished and good attention to detail.

Website is very good too, I really can't wait to play it! Good job, and keep it up

[skullbox]

Amazing. I was hooked by the header image of this thread for some time now but never bothered to check it. Well, turns out that I'm missing out! Definitely a +1 on the art, simplistic and cute, looks very polished and good attention to detail.

Website is very good too, I really can't wait to play it! Good job, and keep it up

Thank you!

Not so much content yet, but working on a shroom forest that I will hopefully be available tomorrow!

[Morgan Allen]

Be like Bastion, not HoMM.

Agreed on this point.  If the story is relevant to the game, you can introduce it bit by bit at the same time the player is learning to, well, play.  And if it isn't relevant, why have one?

I'll download the current version and trying playing around with it a bit.  But it's looking nice.

[Morgan Allen]

I'm afraid I'm getting an error myself, just before the main game launches:

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Sun Jul 07 15:55:24 IST 2013 INFO:Slick Build #274 Sun Jul 07 15:55:24 IST 2013 INFO:LWJGL Version: 2.9.1 Sun Jul 07 15:55:24 IST 2013 INFO:OriginalDisplayMode: 1280 x 800 x 32 @0Hz Sun Jul 07 15:55:24 IST 2013 INFO:TargetDisplayMode: 1024 x 640 x 0 @0Hz Sun Jul 07 15:55:24 IST 2013 INFO:Starting display 1024x640 Sun Jul 07 15:55:24 IST 2013 INFO:Use Java PNG Loader = true Sun Jul 07 15:55:24 IST 2013 INFO:Controllers not available Sun Jul 07 15:55:28 IST 2013 INFO:Initialising sounds.. Sun Jul 07 15:55:28 IST 2013 INFO:- Sound works Sun Jul 07 15:55:28 IST 2013 INFO:- 64 OpenAL source available Sun Jul 07 15:55:28 IST 2013 INFO:- Sounds source generated Sun Jul 07 15:55:46 IST 2013 ERROR:null java.lang.NullPointerException    at b.a.a(Unknown Source)    at c.q.a(Unknown Source)    at game.BlueSaga.update(Unknown Source)    at org.newdawn.slick.GameContainer.updateAndRender(GameContainer.java:657)    at org.newdawn.slick.AppGameContainer.gameLoop(AppGameContainer.java:408)    at org.newdawn.slick.AppGameContainer.start(AppGameContainer.java:318)    at game.BlueSaga.main(Unknown Source) Sun Jul 07 15:55:46 IST 2013 ERROR:Game.update() failure - check the game code. org.newdawn.slick.SlickException: Game.update() failure - check the game code.    at org.newdawn.slick.GameContainer.updateAndRender(GameContainer.java:663)    at org.newdawn.slick.AppGameContainer.gameLoop(AppGameContainer.java:408)    at org.newdawn.slick.AppGameContainer.start(AppGameContainer.java:318)    at game.BlueSaga.main(Unknown Source) AL lib: (WW) FreeContext: (0x7fbd9c1eac60) Deleting 64 Source(s) AL lib: (WW) FreeDevice: (0x7fbd9ebab400) Deleting 69 Buffer(s)

I quite like the theme tune, BTW.

[skullbox]

I quite like the theme tune, BTW.

Thank you! The server is up again, with updated client!

[Geemili]

I get a crash whenever I pick up a bag:

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java.lang.NullPointerException    at i.c.b(Unknown Source)    at c.i.a(Unknown Source)    at game.BlueSaga.update(Unknown Source)    at org.newdawn.slick.GameContainer.updateAndRender(GameContainer.java:657)    at org.newdawn.slick.AppGameContainer.gameLoop(AppGameContainer.java:408)    at org.newdawn.slick.AppGameContainer.start(AppGameContainer.java:318)    at game.BlueSaga.main(Unknown Source) Tue Jul 09 10:52:04 CDT 2013 ERROR:Game.update() failure - check the game code. org.newdawn.slick.SlickException: Game.update() failure - check the game code.    at org.newdawn.slick.GameContainer.updateAndRender(GameContainer.java:663)    at org.newdawn.slick.AppGameContainer.gameLoop(AppGameContainer.java:408)    at org.newdawn.slick.AppGameContainer.start(AppGameContainer.java:318)    at game.BlueSaga.main(Unknown Source)

But I love the game so far!