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Offline aazimon
« Posted 2011-09-22 20:28:40 »

Is there a link to social status?
Are there other pages like this that are 'hidden'?
Offline ra4king

JGO Kernel


Medals: 336
Projects: 2
Exp: 5 years


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« Reply #1 - Posted 2011-09-22 22:29:09 »

http://www.java-gaming.org/?action=social

It's not really hidden. The link shows up if you click on "You have received ## medals." If you haven't received any medals yet, well help someone out already!

Offline Riven
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Hand over your head.


« Reply #2 - Posted 2011-09-22 22:42:06 »

Are there other pages like this that are 'hidden'?
Yes.

Hi, appreciate more people! Σ ♥ = ¾
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Offline theagentd
« Reply #3 - Posted 2011-09-22 22:55:41 »

Unhide them! Want to see!

Quote
Not won any medals yet? Change your personality. Everybody wins!
Lol.

Myomyomyo.
Offline Riven
« League of Dukes »

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Medals: 742
Projects: 4
Exp: 16 years


Hand over your head.


« Reply #4 - Posted 2011-09-22 22:56:18 »

Well, okay, one of them you can find next to the 'social rankings' link, so it isn't really hidden.

http://www.java-gaming.org/index.php?action=dialog
You can browse through it, wasting a few minutes of your time.

It will be the foundation of the JGO dating service.

Hi, appreciate more people! Σ ♥ = ¾
Learn how to award medals... and work your way up the social rankings
Offline aazimon
« Reply #5 - Posted 2011-09-24 00:04:35 »

http://www.java-gaming.org/?action=social

It's not really hidden. The link shows up if you click on "You have received ## medals." If you haven't received any medals yet, well help someone out already!
I have help some people already. They have even said thank you. I made it into the top 32 most awesome members (whatever that means). I can't help it if that don't give me medals.

Nothing like hearing about something interesting and not being able to access it.  Sad
Offline aazimon
« Reply #6 - Posted 2011-09-24 00:09:36 »

Well, okay, one of them you can find next to the 'social rankings' link, so it isn't really hidden.

http://www.java-gaming.org/index.php?action=dialog
You can browse through it, wasting a few minutes of your time.

It will be the foundation of the JGO dating service.
Dating?? Great.. now my fiance is going ban me from this site.  Sad
I don't think she will approve of who I'm getting matched with either.
Offline Cero
« Reply #7 - Posted 2011-09-24 00:23:37 »

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top 32 most awesome members (whatever that means)

thats actually the only one I wondered about

Offline aazimon
« Reply #8 - Posted 2011-09-24 00:50:31 »

I was curious how I got in there, too.  Huh
Offline Riven
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Medals: 742
Projects: 4
Exp: 16 years


Hand over your head.


« Reply #9 - Posted 2011-09-24 01:00:48 »

It's actually a beast of a query. It calculates everybodies 'weight' on how important the medals are they awarded others.

Now that everybody has this weight-value, we can, for every member, sum up the weighted-value of all received medals.

Taking post-count and online-time into account, you can make an assumption on what their score should (roughly) have been.

Subtracting that from the actual score, and you get a value that goes negative if you did worse, and positive if you did better.

From that list, I pick the best 32, multiply the value by 13.37 and raise it to the power of 1.8, which doesn't change a thing, really.

Hi, appreciate more people! Σ ♥ = ¾
Learn how to award medals... and work your way up the social rankings
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Offline lhkbob

JGO Knight


Medals: 32



« Reply #10 - Posted 2011-09-24 01:39:05 »

I've always wondered how you were computing that.  But how do you decide "how important the medals are they awarded others"?

Offline Riven
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« Reply #11 - Posted 2011-09-24 01:47:39 »

That's actually quite simple. When you award them in bursts, the cumulative score of those bursts becomes less (!) than when a single medal awarded in a longer period.

In short: when you hand out lots of medals to others, the value your medals have for their scores drops, rapidly.

Hi, appreciate more people! Σ ♥ = ¾
Learn how to award medals... and work your way up the social rankings
Offline theagentd
« Reply #12 - Posted 2011-09-24 02:02:38 »

So if I were to not award a medal to anyone in 10 years, I would be able to completely medal nuke someone? xD

Myomyomyo.
Offline Riven
« League of Dukes »

JGO Overlord


Medals: 742
Projects: 4
Exp: 16 years


Hand over your head.


« Reply #13 - Posted 2011-09-24 02:29:40 »

Nope Smiley

Hi, appreciate more people! Σ ♥ = ¾
Learn how to award medals... and work your way up the social rankings
Offline ra4king

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Medals: 336
Projects: 2
Exp: 5 years


I'm the King!


« Reply #14 - Posted 2011-09-24 02:42:36 »

@Riven
How do we know how many medals we gave out total?

Nothing like hearing about something interesting and not being able to access it.  Sad
Here's a free one. Enjoy Smiley

Offline Riven
« League of Dukes »

JGO Overlord


Medals: 742
Projects: 4
Exp: 16 years


Hand over your head.


« Reply #15 - Posted 2011-09-24 02:43:52 »

@Riven
How do we know how many medals we gave out total?
You should know.

Hi, appreciate more people! Σ ♥ = ¾
Learn how to award medals... and work your way up the social rankings
Offline ra4king

JGO Kernel


Medals: 336
Projects: 2
Exp: 5 years


I'm the King!


« Reply #16 - Posted 2011-09-24 02:45:21 »

I never actually started counting Sad
I rarely give out any, the most I've given to was Mickelukas for making such an awesome game and that was probably 3-4 medals :S

Offline ReBirth
« Reply #17 - Posted 2011-09-25 06:03:05 »

@ra4king
you can see source of your medals, reverse query to count medals gave out.

Offline philfrei
« Reply #18 - Posted 2011-12-09 23:11:15 »

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When you award them in bursts, the cumulative score of those bursts becomes less (!) than when a single medal awarded in a longer period.

The weighting is interesting. I can see that one's "Awesome" status could change even if the number of Appreciates per posts remains stable. That was the ratio I had assumed underlay the calculation. Thus, I've been trying to make individual posts as helpful as possible, and to avoid being "chatty".

My only quibble with the quoted part of your algorithm is that if an OP posts a question, and gets several useful answers, all of which are genuinely appreciated, then, if the OP registers that appreciation in a single session (most likely how they will be read), it will depreciate the appreciation value. Is this desired?

Have there been any ill effects from overuse of appreciations? The only instance I can think of that might qualify is when someone only appreciates praise, such as "That's great!", and passes over appreciating more truly helpful answers. While this is probably just meant as a nice way of saying "thank you" for a compliment, it could also lead to the generation of insincere praise posting.

I've gotten a couple Appreciations for getting off a good one-liner or joke. (Thank you ra4king!) Is that a desired outcome? More humor is a good thing, generally.

Maybe a "Useful Post" medal would should be considered? I try to use the "Appreciation" as a Usefulness indicator, to highlight something others might also value reading. But that wouldn't necessarily lead to a "Most Awesome" ranking, but rather a "Most Helpful" ranking, (which is what I aspire to--to help and be helped.)

Hard to go very far with this without some sort of semantic evaluation of the posts themselves which in turn implies shared social values and, if abused, big brother.

"Greetings my friends! We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives!" -- The Amazing Criswell
Offline Riven
« League of Dukes »

JGO Overlord


Medals: 742
Projects: 4
Exp: 16 years


Hand over your head.


« Reply #19 - Posted 2011-12-10 00:13:14 »

The algorithm is based on the assumption that the gathered statistics are flawed in many ways, yet reveal a hard to measure concept: contribution.

The word 'appreciation' can hold many meanings for the giver, which might even be interpreted otherwise by the receiver: useful, helpful, insightful, thankful, hilarious, cunning, being impressed, etc. Regardless the intention or the interpretation of the appreciation, it is likely to be a positive signal for both parties. People feel generous in publically stating their gratitude and take pride in the medals they received.

There is a mismatch between the concepts of being appreciated and being awarded a medal. There is a rather low emotional boundary for anybody to show their appreciation towards somebody else, while knowingly awarding somebody a medal would be quickly considered over-the-top. This mismatch is intentional, to send an even stronger positive signal to the person that put some effort in contributing in the topic, even if it was 'just' a joke.

In the end, it all boils down to positive feedback. Stimulating people to help others, encouraging a friendly community.

Hi, appreciate more people! Σ ♥ = ¾
Learn how to award medals... and work your way up the social rankings
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