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Offline kaffiene
« Reply #30 - Posted 2011-02-01 23:04:00 »

Yeah, I think a lot of people who are anti java haven't programmed it in a decent IDE.  It's quite a different experience from coding Java in a normal text editor.... and in those sorts of impoverished environments, you can see why you might prefer a simple scripting language like ruby.

to me Java without an IDE is like Smalltalk without a workbench - you're missing a huge part of the experience if you don't use both together.
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« Reply #31 - Posted 2011-02-02 04:21:14 »

to me Java without an IDE is like Smalltalk without a workbench - you're missing a huge part of the experience if you don't use both together.
Seconded!

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« Reply #32 - Posted 2011-02-02 05:19:29 »

Well since this seems to be a popular topic still i thought i'd do a little status update..

i've gotten used to Eclipse and it no longer seems like a hassle to get it working. I kind of felt like the Russian pilot in Armageddon at first. But now i get it, having it compile when i type seems unnecessary but on the flip side i get virtually no syntax errors. I have the feeling that it requires a lot of system resources for it though.

I can only imagine that it's pretty useful for people in the industry though. Hopefully it's a tool that'll make me better in the long run.

kaffiene I thought people were anti-java because they think it's slow and that it's going to be abandoned by oracle or left to whither and die for no good reason.

As far as the coding experience, doesn't everyone start off with C/C++ using a text editor and a command line?

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Offline philfrei
« Reply #33 - Posted 2011-02-02 11:17:59 »

I find it hard to imagine coding C++ without Visual Studio (or an equivalent). That was where I learned C++. My first experience with C was with a reasonable Borland setup, but that's so far back I can't remember much about it's IDE.

Right now, I'm doing something called the "Cattle Drive" from JavaRanch, a set of programming problems submitted for code review, and it requires some manual handling of the java files on the command prompt level. Most annoying. Why doesn't a javac command, one that "successfully" executes, overwrite an existing class file, for instance? Or at least issue an error if it doesn't manage to create the new file?

I like Eclipse a lot, though some of the configuration for doing servlets & jdbc was hell-on-wheels to figure out the first time, and I occasionally wish I had the graphical tools of NetBeans. But I was really turned off by the "noise" at the NetBeans site (lots of ads and promotions to navigate past), and the surprisingly high incidence of tutorials with terrible grammer and spelling. Maybe I'm exagerrating the memory though. A lot of people I respect like and use NetBeans.

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Offline countnoobula

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« Reply #34 - Posted 2011-02-02 13:51:32 »

Eclipse is definitely worth it if you ever want to go into Android Development, otherwise just use JDeveloper (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/jdev/index.html?origref=http://www.google.co.za/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=jdeveloper) or Netbeans(http://netbeans.org/)

PS: I will warn you though, JDeveloper is quite big and bulky but has some amazing features that other IDE's lack
Offline pjt33
« Reply #35 - Posted 2011-02-02 16:02:37 »

As far as the coding experience, doesn't everyone start off with C/C++ using a text editor and a command line?
No. Many of those of us who were children or teenagers in the 80s or early 90s when we started coding started in BASIC with a command line but no text editor.
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« Reply #36 - Posted 2011-02-02 16:07:45 »

Why doesn't a javac command, one that "successfully" executes, overwrite an existing class file, for instance? Or at least issue an error if it doesn't manage to create the new file?

I'm not sure I'm following you.  I can use javac and compile a file over and over, and the .class file is overwritten each time.  Is that not the case for you? 
Offline JL235

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« Reply #37 - Posted 2011-02-02 22:18:20 »

Why doesn't a javac command, one that "successfully" executes, overwrite an existing class file, for instance? Or at least issue an error if it doesn't manage to create the new file?

I'm not sure I'm following you.  I can use javac and compile a file over and over, and the .class file is overwritten each time.  Is that not the case for you? 
I get the same, javac works fine for me. If it's failing to override the file then this could be a permissions issue with the files, such as them being read-only.

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« Reply #38 - Posted 2011-02-03 00:46:51 »

I suspect he's talking about a dependency problem - something Eclipse sorts out for you without you ever really knowing about it.

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Offline philfrei
« Reply #39 - Posted 2011-02-03 01:11:38 »

My bad. I was just getting confused about what was named what and keeping the various files straight. Taking short cuts sometimes backfires.

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