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Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Posted 2009-09-15 00:01:29 »

I just thought I would let you all know that we're going to try to install some more safeguards against spammers in the next couple of weeks, as we've been getting some pretty bad spam lately, much of which is pornographic.

This could involve the occasional captcha for new users, or having to answer a Java question before you post, or something like that. Rest assured, we'll try to make as un-annoying as we possibly can. Smiley

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Offline Nate

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« Reply #1 - Posted 2009-09-15 01:48:26 »

Cool.

On a slightly related note, I was thinking, it would be cool to have "code" tags do Java syntax highlighting.

Offline Riven
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« Reply #2 - Posted 2009-09-15 04:48:53 »

Captcha's are just a waste of time. Most of them are cracked anyway.

Why not something more in the spirit of Java?


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JGO is way to small for any spammer to hardcode that one...

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Offline JL235

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« Reply #3 - Posted 2009-09-15 04:56:52 »

I know plenty of Java programmers who would find the above question very difficult, and a quiz may deter lots of people who are new to Java from joining the forum.

I heard of a type of captcha where it shows you a picture with lots of different animals in it and you have to say how many of them are cats or dogs or whatever. It was supposedly (at least at the time) unbreakable because of how difficult it is for PCs to automate telling the difference between cats and dogs. You could build something like that.

Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #4 - Posted 2009-09-15 13:42:57 »

Yeah, a captcha wouldnt work everywhere but it would work in some places. Combine that with an easy Java or JGO question, and I think it would work pretty well. And yeah, I was trying to cook up a lot of easy Java questions, but then I remembered that all the people who are going to have to be answering these questions (users with very few posts) are rarely going to know the answer to these "easy" Java questions.

So it's got to be a question that is so easy anybody could do it, and/or the answer appears in a specified topic on JGO that they can browse to. Either way it's risky because we don't want to screw new users out of JGO.

One successful option I saw was in a Warcraft III JASS forum (JASS is the scripting language for their maps). It had a picture of a "grunt" unit from the game, and said "what type of unit is this?" Unique photo-based questions (as JL mentioned) are great, but then the problem appears which is that JGO has no recognizable images. I guess maybe we could put a coffee cup image or something, and ask "what drink is this?"

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Offline kappa
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« Reply #5 - Posted 2009-09-15 14:18:57 »

changing the way the standard SMF registration page looks (variable names, different check box combinations) can also do wonders against automatic bot registrations.
Offline pjt33
« Reply #6 - Posted 2009-09-15 14:59:19 »

How about "What is the name of this website?", accepting anything which matches "(?i)java\p{Space}*gaming"? Specific enough that bots have to be customised for this site, simple enough that anyone with two brain cells to rub together can get it right.
Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #7 - Posted 2009-09-15 18:34:45 »

How about "What is the name of this website?", accepting anything which matches "(?i)java\p{Space}*gaming"? Specific enough that bots have to be customised for this site, simple enough that anyone with two brain cells to rub together can get it right.
I think that would be a good idea except this is a question that is fairly commonly used to stop bots, and a bot could just use the dot-com name to get it right (with a space). It'll certainly be tougher, though, and might do the trick.

We could also just do something like,

What is the name of this animal?


Everyone should be able to get that.

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Offline jojoh

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« Reply #8 - Posted 2009-09-15 21:26:17 »

I know plenty of Java programmers who would find the above question very difficult, and a quiz may deter lots of people who are new to Java from joining the forum.
Check this site out:
http://random.irb.hr/signup.php
Reload a few times. Guess they really don't want just anybody to come and ask annoying Qs  Smiley

What is the name of this animal?


Everyone should be able to get that.
Kitty?

Well, that is actually a pretty good solution. Easy enough to try.

Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #9 - Posted 2009-09-15 21:38:25 »

Yeah, that's a good idea too. Presumably everyone can do arithmetic.

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Offline kappa
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« Reply #10 - Posted 2009-09-15 21:41:32 »

you could also just plug those questions into something like wolfram to get an answer Smiley
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« Reply #11 - Posted 2009-09-15 22:01:12 »

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Offline pjt33
« Reply #12 - Posted 2009-09-16 12:40:29 »

I think that would be a good idea except this is a question that is fairly commonly used to stop bots, and a bot could just use the dot-com name to get it right (with a space). It'll certainly be tougher, though, and might do the trick.

We could also just do something like,

What is the name of this animal?


Everyone should be able to get that.
I haven't seen it before. I have seen basic arithmetic quite a lot.

The image example is ambiguous. Could be cat, kitten, or Miss Tiddles.
Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #13 - Posted 2009-09-16 13:48:55 »

That's true, you'd also have to say something about needing a 3 letter word or whatever.

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Offline h3ckboy

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« Reply #14 - Posted 2009-09-16 14:47:22 »

I have seen some where there is an image and you write the contents of the image down in a textbox

SO like it would have 2 words, but the words are covered in lines, so a computer could not read them but a human should be able to.
Offline Orangy Tang

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« Reply #15 - Posted 2009-09-16 17:15:26 »

Trying to make a captcha completely robust is largely pointless - the really dedicated spam bots are wired up to a website offering free games/movies/porn and simply re-post your captcha tests to be solved by the next freebie hunting human. There's no practical way to defend against that.

On the other hand, we've got *nothing* at the moment, so even the most brain dead of spam bots can post. I would suggest adding the quickest, simplest captcha because while it might not be foolproof it'll stop 99% of bots and the remaining 1% aren't worth the effort.

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Offline teletubo
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« Reply #16 - Posted 2009-09-16 17:33:47 »

why not a small and simple applet game, like a "Frogger" game (or some random easy games, developed by the community  Wink )?
that should be easy for a human to win, while not easy for a machine - and plus, would  be fun to implement and already give the new user a little bit taste of a java game .
And to play a 20-seconds java game should not bother any user interested in, well, java games .

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« Reply #17 - Posted 2009-09-16 18:32:10 »

why not a small and simple applet game, like a "Frogger" game (or some random easy games, developed by the community  Wink )?
that should be easy for a human to win, while not easy for a machine - and plus, would  be fun to implement and already give the new user a little bit taste of a java game .
And to play a 20-seconds java game should not bother any user interested in, well, java games .

Man, I just got goosebumps!   I don't know how practical it is since it would force a jre install, but I gotta say, I'm in love with that idea.   Grin
Offline mh114

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« Reply #18 - Posted 2009-09-16 19:16:33 »

why not a small and simple applet game, .... give the new user a little bit taste of a java game .
The taste of a frozen browser, or worse?  Undecided It might work with Flash, but please do not force applets upon people, even if this is a Java-forum.. Wink

Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #19 - Posted 2009-09-16 21:21:31 »

I have seen some where there is an image and you write the contents of the image down in a textbox

SO like it would have 2 words, but the words are covered in lines, so a computer could not read them but a human should be able to.
That's what a captcha is...

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Offline h3ckboy

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« Reply #20 - Posted 2009-09-17 06:56:14 »

ahh ok.... my bad
Offline pjt33
« Reply #21 - Posted 2009-09-17 07:33:41 »

Trying to make a captcha completely robust is largely pointless - the really dedicated spam bots are wired up to a website offering free games/movies/porn and simply re-post your captcha tests to be solved by the next freebie hunting human. There's no practical way to defend against that.
Actually that's one place where the "What is the name of this website" one comes up trumps.

In fact how about combining it with a standard captcha (please enter the name of this website and the word in the image below, separated by a space)? Requires a small change to an off-the-shelf piece of software and any bot to be customised for the site.
Offline SimonH
« Reply #22 - Posted 2009-09-19 01:05:37 »

Yah, we need something - site name/sums are fine by me - anything that works...

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Offline Epitaph64

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« Reply #23 - Posted 2009-12-03 19:20:37 »

How about a grid of checkboxes, and you have to check them to make the letter J? There could be a picture next to it showing how to do it even, and that could kill off tons of bots, and be easy enough for anyone to do.

Offline zammbi

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« Reply #24 - Posted 2009-12-03 22:28:38 »

Updating the forum could help...

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Simple Machines is happy to announce the release of SMF 1.1.6, which fixes a number of minor bugs in 1.1.5 and addresses a security vulnerability. While the vulnerability primarily affects SMF installations on Windows servers, we would like to encourage all users to upgrade as soon as possible.  A successful exploit could result in privilege escalation.
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The forum is still using 1.1.5

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Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #25 - Posted 2009-12-04 15:54:57 »

Well, hopefully Chris can upgrade it soon, then.

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Offline ChrisM

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« Reply #26 - Posted 2009-12-05 00:01:36 »

A switchover to a new server (moving out of current server farm) will coincide with upgrades and new features folks have been asking for.  Will update the mods next week.

Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #27 - Posted 2009-12-05 00:54:43 »

A switchover to a new server (moving out of current server farm) will coincide with upgrades and new features folks have been asking for.  Will update the mods next week.
Awesome! Thanks Chris!

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Offline SwampChicken
« Reply #28 - Posted 2009-12-07 05:18:20 »

errr.....you guys know how captchas are broken right?
They simply copy/link your captcha to some dodgey free p0rn site and request their users to fill in the captcha before they are allowed in.
Offline pjt33
« Reply #29 - Posted 2009-12-07 09:46:57 »

errr.....you guys know how captchas are broken right?
They simply copy/link your captcha to some dodgey free p0rn site and request their users to fill in the captcha before they are allowed in.
As discussed a dozen posts and almost three months ago in this very thread?
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