fastest way to draw 2D images

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fastest way to draw 2D images

« Posted 2009-08-07 19:03:57 »

I'm starting to adventure myself with android, and I've ported a small game I've made, but I'm not sure if I am doing the drawing stuff in the fastest way.

I am loading my sprites in Bitmap s . Then I have my gameview (which extends View) with a loop which calls invalidate(), and in the onDraw(Canvas c) I render everything (first the background bitmap then all the other stuff, about 50 bitmaps (15x15)).

I believe this is the simplest way to do it, but I am sure there are other (maybe better) ways to do it ... are there ?

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Re: fastest way to draw 2D images

« Reply #1 - Posted 2009-08-07 23:47:37 »

The better (performance wise) way is to use OpenGL ES. Tongue

But, IMO, coding in OpenGL ES is horrible if you're only doing 2D. So if you don't have any performance problems, I'd say you have the best way.

At the Google I/O they discussed this stuff. I recommend watching the presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Bk5rmIpic It's an hour long, so make sure you have enough time spare.

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Re: fastest way to draw 2D images

« Reply #2 - Posted 2009-08-07 23:49:15 »

You can create a canvas backed by OpenGL pretty easily - that seems pretty performant.

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Re: fastest way to draw 2D images

« Reply #3 - Posted 2009-08-08 04:30:10 »

Quote from: kevglass on 2009-08-07 23:49:15

You can create a canvas backed by OpenGL pretty easily - that seems pretty performant.

Kev

Hey Kev, Can you please explain what you mean by this? Can I call canvas.drawLine(x1,y1,x2,y2) and have it run on the OpenGL chip? Thanks.

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Re: fastest way to draw 2D images

« Reply #4 - Posted 2009-08-08 05:11:23 »

Thanks you guys.
I do have some problems but I'm not sure why .

I have 30 FPS (which is the ideal for the game) but sometimes the framerate just drops strangely to ~20 then raises again to 30 fps . I tried deactivating physics and AI, and left only the rendering, but it still happens.
I'm using the onKeyDown/Up for input.

Have u been thru this ? I've read all the Android threads here and it seems is none of the problems you had so far .
By the way, I'm running only in the emulator. I still don't have a device Sad

, but I'm buying me one in September.

Quote from: Ranger on 2009-08-08 04:30:10

Hey Kev, Can you please explain what you mean by this? Can I call canvas.drawLine(x1,y1,x2,y2) and have it run on the OpenGL chip? Thanks.

That would be awesome !

Thanks again folks !

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Re: fastest way to draw 2D images

« Reply #5 - Posted 2009-08-08 06:58:25 »

I'm pretty sure the fastest way to draw a 2D image is glDrawTexiOES. I couldn't get it to work though. Does anyone have any sample code with it working? I'd really like to see a working example. Supposedly you do something like:

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if (gl instanceof GL11 && gl instanceof GL11Ext) {
   ((GL11)gl).glTexParameteriv(GL10.GL_TEXTURE_2D, GL11Ext.GL_TEXTURE_CROP_RECT_OES, new int[] {0, 0, width, height}, 0);
   .
   .
   .
   ((GL11Ext)gl).glDrawTexiOES(0, 0, 0, 64, 64);
}

On a somewhat related topic, has anyone been able to draw tinted images? I can draw images with varying alpha, but the rgb is ignored (I always get the image with its normal colors).

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Re: fastest way to draw 2D images

« Reply #6 - Posted 2009-08-08 09:29:09 »

You can go:

1	Canvas canvas = new Canvas(gl);

And then use that canvas to draw to the GL context. It works but I'm not sure how performant it is (see bend hero).

Kev

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Re: fastest way to draw 2D images

« Reply #7 - Posted 2009-08-08 16:33:17 »

Quote from: kevglass on 2009-08-08 09:29:09

You can go:

1	Canvas canvas = new Canvas(gl);

And then use that canvas to draw to the GL context. It works but I'm not sure how performant it is (see bend hero).

Kev

Thanks Kev. I will test that when I get home tomorrow .

Do you know what might cause the problem with random stalls I described in my last post ?
I was thinking, maybe it is related to the way I do the game loop, using delayed messages . I learned to do like that looking your "cross plataform framework" (Applet-Android-iPhone) . Come to think of it, most of what I've learned of Android I learned with your code . Thanks for that !

anyway thanks guys for the feedback.

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Re: fastest way to draw 2D images

« Reply #8 - Posted 2009-08-09 00:39:19 »

Quote from: kevglass on 2009-08-08 09:29:09

You can go:

1	Canvas canvas = new Canvas(gl);

And then use that canvas to draw to the GL context. It works but I'm not sure how performant it is (see bend hero).

Kev

Tried to stick some canvas calls in the middle of my existing game, it didn't like it (tried draw line and draw text):

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Re: fastest way to draw 2D images

« Reply #9 - Posted 2009-08-09 00:47:00 »

I'd expect it to be an either or thing. The Canvas is going to assume it's in control of the GL state all the time.

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Re: fastest way to draw 2D images

« Reply #10 - Posted 2009-08-11 03:16:09 »

Quote from: Ranger on 2009-08-07 23:47:37

At the Google I/O they discussed this stuff. I recommend watching the presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Bk5rmIpic It's an hour long, so make sure you have enough time spare.

I just watched the video, and though I took a while to get used to guy speaking (he speaks really fast for me, a non-native speaker) it's definitely worth the time, and it indeed helped.
What causes the random stalls in my game is the garbage collector . That should have been obvious , but I just realized it when he said "never allocate!" .

Well now I just have to find a way to avoid the "new"...

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Re: fastest way to draw 2D images

« Reply #11 - Posted 2009-08-17 21:57:05 »

Quote from: Nate on 2009-08-08 06:58:25

I'm pretty sure the fastest way to draw a 2D image is glDrawTexiOES.

I got glDrawTexiOES to work. I don't see a noticeable difference between using glDrawArrays. Actually, I swapped my particle system from glDrawArrays to glDrawTexiOES and lost 1 or 2 FPS. It may be faster just drawing one image, but not by much.

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Re: fastest way to draw 2D images

« Reply #12 - Posted 2009-08-18 01:34:45 »

Quote from: Nate on 2009-08-17 21:57:05

Interesting. And, please correct me if I'm wrong, but glDrawTexiOES is not guaranteed to be supported by all Android phones, while glDrawArrays is.

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