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Offline kevglass

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« Posted 2009-07-25 20:36:45 »

  • Collapse JOGL/LWJGL into Java OpenGL
  • Collapse Java 3D / Xith / JMonkey into Java 3D Libraries
  • Collapse Java Sound / joal into Java Audio
  • Rename J2ME to Mobile Games (get an Android forum with no additional work then)
  • Community and Volunteer Projects probably sits in Community Works now anyway

On an unrelated note, half the moderators (mojomonkey, cfmdobbie, darkprophet, Jeff, Herkules) don't visit the forum often any more. Not to mention the forums that have no moderators (other than global of course, all hail!) at all.

EDIT: Kappa points out some of that was here. So can we have this aswell.

Kev

Offline lhkbob

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« Reply #1 - Posted 2009-07-25 20:50:22 »

I second that

Offline Ranger
« Reply #2 - Posted 2009-07-25 21:04:42 »

Not sure what Kev means when he says "Collapse", but IMO it would be great if "Collapse" meant that they became Child Boards, like the Contest section has.

So, you wouldn't rename J2ME to Mobile Games, you'd create a Mobile Games section with J2ME and Android as Child Boards.

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Offline kevglass

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« Reply #3 - Posted 2009-07-25 21:08:14 »

I despise the child boards tbh, too hard to navigate, most of the forums here have little traffic so it might as well be lumped together.

Not to bothered though, just so we can have a bit more diverse postings here. Obviously I've a vested interest in getting some more mobile stuff going.

Kev

Offline kappa
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« Reply #4 - Posted 2009-07-25 21:12:55 »

i agree there are too many forum sections and JGO needs a clean up.

Kev's suggestion is very logical.

+1
Offline shatterblast

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« Reply #5 - Posted 2009-07-26 05:25:19 »

I despise the child boards tbh, too hard to navigate, most of the forums here have little traffic so it might as well be lumped together.

I agree with this.  If possible, I think it sufficient to merge two inactive forum sections.

(Quoting myself is crazy.)

Offline shatterblast

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« Reply #6 - Posted 2009-07-26 05:27:09 »

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Offline CyanPrime
« Reply #7 - Posted 2009-07-26 05:51:02 »

Quit changing your name!  Huh Huh
Offline kevglass

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« Reply #8 - Posted 2009-07-26 07:53:30 »

Who?

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Offline Mr_Light

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« Reply #9 - Posted 2009-07-26 15:25:20 »

how will this affect linkage(also is the forum still invisible to search engines)?

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Offline h3ckboy

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« Reply #10 - Posted 2009-07-26 17:45:04 »

Quit changing your name!  Huh Huh

he means

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Offline Markus_Persson

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« Reply #11 - Posted 2009-07-27 09:53:42 »

Yes indeedie, I agree. I've suggested this several times. =)

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Offline kevglass

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« Reply #12 - Posted 2009-07-27 10:02:05 »

Can you do this stuff now Markus, with the god like powers?

Kev

Offline Markus_Persson

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« Reply #13 - Posted 2009-07-27 11:42:34 »

Yes, but people might disagree with me. Since I'm not uberactive on these forums at the moment and the last tiny thing I changed caused massive complaining, I don't really feel comfortable. =)

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Offline kevglass

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« Reply #14 - Posted 2009-07-27 11:45:12 »

Yes, but people might disagree with me. Since I'm not uberactive on these forums at the moment and the last tiny thing I changed caused massive complaining, I don't really feel comfortable. =)

You're probably get in to trouble/complaints for posting that too Smiley

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Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #15 - Posted 2009-07-27 19:21:18 »

Yeah, I agree with you guys. I'll try to get on this, and I'm PMing Chris now to see if he can get a script installed for merging forums (as we currently don't have that capability). I'm not particularly interested in moving each topic one-by-one.  Smiley

But once I've got that script in here, I'll definitely start collapsing some of these forums. I'll go ahead and remove inactive moderators now.

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Offline kaffiene
« Reply #16 - Posted 2009-07-30 23:57:16 »

+1
Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #17 - Posted 2009-07-31 14:40:34 »

Yes, but people might disagree with me. Since I'm not uberactive on these forums at the moment and the last tiny thing I changed caused massive complaining, I don't really feel comfortable. =)
I since decided that I'll do what I think works best and no matter what it is somebody is going to get annoyed, so there's nothing I can do about it. I've even been called "power-hungry" by a few people.  Tongue It's just a clear indicator that something is actually being changed, no?

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Offline fletchergames

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« Reply #18 - Posted 2009-07-31 16:44:57 »

I don't really agree with this.  It seems like reducing the number of forums just to have less forums doesn't justify mixing posts about different 3d libraries (and so forth) together.  It's not like having less forums will drastically improve navigating JGO.

Then again, I don't really care.  I've hardly used any of the forums mentioned, so it's not anything that affects me.
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« Reply #19 - Posted 2009-11-26 11:02:12 »

I agree and would also like to see the number of subforums reduced drastically.

Offline kevglass

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« Reply #20 - Posted 2009-11-26 11:17:39 »

It's possible we could just bin some forums atm,

JMonkeyEngine - they have their own forums, and there is very little traffic. Additionally it's singling out particular libraries as somehow special when all should hold the same status.

Xith3D - see above but more so because there's even less traffic.

LWJGL + JOGL - are both now open source projects. One single forum Java OpenGL might suffice better. Low traffic in both forums and there are other bindings out there.

JOAL - Java OpenAL, could use it for facets of LWJGL then.

Java 2D - Should probably be 2D Graphics since there are a wealth of 2D java libraries now (including my own)

Java 3D - Should probably be 3D Graphics since there are a wealth of 3D java libraries now.

Probably posted this before, even on the same thread, but the discussion does seem to have died as IDO mentioned.

Kev

Offline zammbi

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« Reply #21 - Posted 2009-11-26 11:42:49 »

Yeah I agree to this, some of those options don't really need there own forum and therefore can be merged. Well at least for the libraries that is. Android/JavaFX probably be better on there own.

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Offline Alric

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« Reply #22 - Posted 2009-11-26 12:48:53 »

For what it's worth, the only part of the forum I even look at is the Recent Posts box down at the bottom  Undecided
Far too many forums with far too little traffic.

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« Reply #23 - Posted 2009-11-26 13:48:45 »

+1
Offline CyanPrime
« Reply #24 - Posted 2009-11-26 18:25:25 »

+1
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« Reply #25 - Posted 2009-11-26 18:25:55 »

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Offline noblemaster

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« Reply #26 - Posted 2009-11-26 21:43:53 »

Merging the forums would make it difficult to impossible to filter out information for JOGL respectively LWJGL. We might as well just remove them altogether? How about reducing the forum count on the top level as suggested, but keeping the existing forums as subforums in the new forums?

Offline gouessej
« Reply #27 - Posted 2009-11-27 20:38:25 »

Collapse JOGL/LWJGL into Java OpenGL
Please no. I understand your position, some problems are related to OpenGL rather than a particular binding but as far as I know, LWJGL is more than an OpenGL binding. On my view, merging the both sections is a bad idea.

Offline kevglass

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« Reply #28 - Posted 2009-11-27 21:32:57 »

Questioning relating to the other parts of LWJGL (sound/input) would belong in the appropriate other collapsed forum. So OpenAL questions (be there JOAL or LWJGL OpenAL) would go into the Java OpenAL forum (since the chances if you know the answer for one, you'll know it for the other). Ditto with input, LWJGL uses JInput so it's questions could go in Java Native Input (rather than a forum specifcially for JInput which gets little traffic).

Kev

Offline gouessej
« Reply #29 - Posted 2009-11-27 21:41:37 »

Ok... I don't want to be polemical but some bugs are particular to specific bindings. Anyway, we need a place to discuss about these bugs too without mixing the both.

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