The end of Sun?

[CaptainJester]

http://www.sdtimes.com/blog/post/2009/07/16/The-End-of-Sun.aspx

Hopefully this guy is just being a little melodramatic.

[zammbi]

And something else, seems mono is doing a lot better then Java on Linux.
http://www.sdtimes.com/MONO_MAKES_HEADWAY_ON_THE_LINUX_DESKTOP/By_David_Worthington/About_JAVA_and_LINUX_and_MONO/33618

[JavaMan2]

Gee. He is really gloomy. It's almost depressing how he writes it. I just hope ORACLE continues with a free jdk and jre.

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[Alric]

What a hollow article.
The vast majority of it is taken up with a description of a meeting.
He points out that two important people were missing, that Sun hasn't grown much and that Oracle expects to cut headcount and make money.
And he repeats a couple of times that we should make no mistake, this is the end.

Lots of description, a tiny smattering of opinion, and no substance at all.
2/10 - must do better.

[princec]

Hmm no, I think the article is roughly accurate in its general statement. It literally is the end of Sun, the company you knew. Now there is some Oracle subsidiary instead, and yes, Oracle will be giving the boot to everyone who isn't deemed essential. And probably getting rid of the hardware business as fast as it can.

Cas

[gouessej]

And something else, seems mono is doing a lot better then Java on Linux.
http://www.sdtimes.com/MONO_MAKES_HEADWAY_ON_THE_LINUX_DESKTOP/By_David_Worthington/About_JAVA_and_LINUX_and_MONO/33618

Ubuntu and Debian are not the only Linux distros. .NET is rather a threat for the future of Linux.

Hmm no, I think the article is roughly accurate in its general statement. It literally is the end of Sun, the company you knew. Now there is some Oracle subsidiary instead, and yes, Oracle will be giving the boot to everyone who isn't deemed essential. And probably getting rid of the hardware business as fast as it can.

You are dreaming awake, I know why you say this.

[kappa]

.NET is rather a threat for the future of Linux.

This argument is pretty much dead now, Microsoft have publicly declared that they will not sue any clones of .Net.

Besides MS need it to be adopted by Linux for it to be successful, they can't officially be seen to support it due to Microsoft's stance with Linux, if you ask me they're probably the ones that got Novell to start supporting/creating Mono in the first place.

[pjt33]

And something else, seems mono is doing a lot better then Java on Linux.

Two people claim that mono is doing better than Java on the Linux desktop. But that blog post is laughable.

When it comes to desktop Linux applications, "Mono is clearly more popular than Java. I've been using desktop Linux as my primary desktop for three to four years, and use just a handful of Java apps day to day," O’Grady said.

I've been using desktop Linux as my primary desktop for seven years and the only Java apps I use day-to-day are Eclipse and ant. I don't even have Mono installed. Frankly, neither Java nor Mono has made an impact on the Linux desktop, but I'm not sure that either is aiming to so it's not a big deal.

[princec]

The Linux desktop hasn't really made a measurable impact on anything.

Cas

[zingbat]

Looks like we have a few Java unbelievers around here. Java isn't so easy to beat down. Java is now open-source and there are plenty of influential companies backing it up. If Sun dies Java will continue to be supported.

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[lithos]

Considering it wasn't the end of PeopleSoft when Orcale acquired it, I doubt Sun will end sadly and pitifully.   Especially when Sun/Java is tactically more important and "unique", as compared to PeopleSoft which makes above average software.

[princec]

Nobody's saying pitiful or sad, and nobody's predicting anything freaky happening to the Java language or the JDK. Sun itself though is likely to be a shadow of its former self.

Cas

[gouessej]

This argument is pretty much dead now, Microsoft have publicly declared that they will not sue any clones of .Net.

Besides MS need it to be adopted by Linux for it to be successful, they can't officially be seen to support it due to Microsoft's stance with Linux, if you ask me they're probably the ones that got Novell to start supporting/creating Mono in the first place.

Richard Stallman still says .NET is a threat and I agree with him:
http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/06/27/1759255/Richard-Stallman-Says-No-To-Mono?from=rss

[OverKill]

Why should Sun die? While many sections will probably be reduced, I think the reason Oracle bought Sun was to capitalize on a marked: J2EE.
That market is imho the current justification for the popularity of Java.
If I look around at the various projects you will often find common themes: JSP, Tomcat, JBoss, Jira, Maven, MySQL (or PostgreSQL for out-of-the-box solutions)

IMHO Oracle wants to position itself into there and get more market share.

[zammbi]

Well I guess in a way it is the end of sun as a company that we have been used of. But the products will live on...