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Offline Riven
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« Reply #150 - Posted 2009-11-12 19:46:10 »

New video capture of the Java Store and multiple apps in action here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQQfpurXjJU

@00:10

Notice how there are 5 seconds lacking any feedback between clicking the [Launch] button and the application-window being visible.


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I do understand that it is due to launching an external process, but please show some feedback, within 100ms! A splash would do just fine.

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« Reply #151 - Posted 2009-11-12 20:21:56 »

@00:10

Notice how there are 5 seconds lacking any feedback between clicking the [Launch] button and the application-window being visible.


Note:
I do understand that it is due to launching an external process, but please show some feedback, within 100ms! A splash would do just fine.

Actually, the smaller box popped in behind the Java Store window.  And REALLY now....this is one thing that all Windows users are familiar with.  Clicking a link and not having any visual indication that something is working.  Wink

EDIT:  IT WAS A JOKE FOLKS!  Even if it was a poorly constructed one Smiley  Of course this will be addressed, the store is still in Beta.

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« Reply #152 - Posted 2009-11-12 21:06:28 »

Actually, the smaller box popped in behind the Java Store window.

 Shocked

Then maybe launch the splash from within the AppStore process, by creating a window and calling toFront(). No way the OS can interfere with that.

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« Reply #153 - Posted 2009-11-13 16:42:24 »

Actually, the smaller box popped in behind the Java Store window.  And REALLY now....this is one thing that all Windows users are familiar with.  Clicking a link and not having any visual indication that something is working.

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Is this the general attitude within sun?

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« Reply #154 - Posted 2009-11-13 17:39:23 »

And REALLY now....this is one thing that all Windows users are familiar with.  Clicking a link and not having any visual indication that something is working.
Eh? If I click a link outside of a browser (say, from an email client) then the windows cursor will change to indicate progress. If I click a link within a browser then the there'll be a progress bar or icon within the browser itself.

Personally I'd expect the 'launch' button to change state, probably disabled with some kind of 'launching...' animation on it. At the moment it looks like it's broken and you'd probably get users clicking it multiple times.

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« Reply #155 - Posted 2009-11-13 17:40:38 »

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Is this the general attitude within sun?

Markus...come on Wink  I was just poking fun at Windows.  Of course it's not the general attitude here.  The store is still in Beta and they are working out the kinks.  I should have put a wink in there to show I was kidding Smiley

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« Reply #156 - Posted 2009-11-13 17:43:16 »

Eh? If I click a link outside of a browser (say, from an email client) then the windows cursor will change to indicate progress. If I click a link within a browser then the there'll be a progress bar or icon within the browser itself.

Personally I'd expect the 'launch' button to change state, probably disabled with some kind of 'launching...' animation on it. At the moment it looks like it's broken and you'd probably get users clicking it multiple times.

Actually, when you are installing from the store there actually is an animation to show it is working.  It is an interface bit the team is working on.  Again, bad joke on my part!

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« Reply #157 - Posted 2009-11-13 17:45:55 »

Actually, when you are installing from the store there actually is an animation to show it is working.  It is an interface bit the team is working on.  Again, bad joke on my part!

Well, you can't blame us from taking it a bit too seriously, because Webstart has a really bad track record of pop-under certificate dialogs. Undecided

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« Reply #158 - Posted 2009-11-13 17:55:27 »

Well, you can't blame us from taking it a bit too seriously, because Webstart has a really bad track record of pop-under certificate dialogs. Undecided

Agreed, but it's me guys!  You know I am happy to call out warts where they are.  Sorry for the confusion Smiley

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« Reply #159 - Posted 2009-11-13 18:06:46 »

Well, you can't blame us from taking it a bit too seriously, because Webstart has a really bad track record of pop-under certificate dialogs. Undecided

Hey, you told us people don't like those, so we're hiding them any way we can..
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« Reply #160 - Posted 2009-11-13 18:24:12 »

Lol, and it's very secure that way too  Smiley

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« Reply #161 - Posted 2009-11-13 18:32:51 »

Hey, you told us people don't like those, so we're hiding them any way we can..

 Wink


They tend to reveil themselves when I'm shutting down Windows.
Could you please shut it down for me as part of the launching procedure?

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« Reply #162 - Posted 2009-11-14 11:27:47 »

do we know when it will be open for Europeans?

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« Reply #163 - Posted 2009-11-15 12:56:53 »

Markus...come on Wink  I was just poking fun at Windows.  Of course it's not the general attitude here.  The store is still in Beta and they are working out the kinks.  I should have put a wink in there to show I was kidding Smiley

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« Reply #164 - Posted 2009-11-19 19:32:45 »

The store (or, rather, warehouse) became somewhat more global:

http://java.sun.com/warehouse/overview/locations.jsp

People from these countries are now allowed to submit (for now, only free) apps to the warehouse:
Australia Brazil China    India Russia Sweden United Kingdom

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« Reply #165 - Posted 2009-11-19 19:55:39 »

What??? Not Canada!  Shocked  Why?Huh?

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« Reply #166 - Posted 2009-11-19 19:57:33 »

What??? Not Canada!  Shocked  Why?Huh?
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« Reply #167 - Posted 2009-11-19 20:55:44 »

Yeah, our tax/income tax system is sooooo complicated! Maybe that's why Canada isn't allowed for now.

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« Reply #168 - Posted 2009-11-19 21:48:02 »

Yeah, our tax/income tax system is sooooo complicated! Maybe that's why Canada isn't allowed for now.

You work on getting The Kids in the Hall back together and doing new material and we'll talk! Smiley  Seriously, don't know why there is the delay yet...

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« Reply #169 - Posted 2009-11-19 22:32:46 »

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You work on getting The Kids in the Hall back together and doing new material and we'll talk!
Hmmm, sorry?  Huh  Smiley English is not my first language, and I don't really know the american culture.

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« Reply #170 - Posted 2009-11-20 05:51:17 »

Hmmm, sorry?  Huh  Smiley English is not my first language, and I don't really know the american culture.

Ummm.... "The Kids in the Hall"?  The GREATEST comedy troupe to ever come out of Canada?  If you are from Canada, it is your civic duty to go back and review their work! Wink

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« Reply #171 - Posted 2009-11-20 14:20:42 »

oops!  Smiley I don't have a lot of english canadian culture. I'm from Quebec (which is part of Canada for others reading this) and the first language is french, therefore the english culture is very different from the french one, or Quebec one I should say because even France  and Quebec has a fundamental different culture.

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« Reply #172 - Posted 2009-11-24 18:53:36 »

Sun contacted me about SingSong and I tried putting an app in the store. They even provided people I could contact with problems. It took many iterations and bug reports to finally get it going. The submission site is terrible. You should be able to just point it at a working JNLP and be done.

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« Reply #173 - Posted 2009-11-24 19:57:50 »

Sun contacted me about SingSong and I tried putting an app in the store. They even provided people I could contact with problems. It took many iterations and bug reports to finally get it going. The submission site is terrible. You should be able to just point it at a working JNLP and be done.

Did you relate your experience to the Sun rep?
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« Reply #174 - Posted 2009-11-25 00:29:56 »

Yeah, I did, and I gave my suggestions. It just has quite a way to go still.

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« Reply #175 - Posted 2009-11-25 00:33:45 »

Yeah, I did, and I gave my suggestions. It just has quite a way to go still.

Thanks for doing that. Every bit helps.
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« Reply #176 - Posted 2009-11-25 04:55:13 »

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People from these countries are now allowed to submit (for now, only free) apps to the warehouse:
Australia Brazil China    India Russia Sweden United Kingdom
Have Australia but not New Zealand! Hope to see NZ soon  Smiley

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Offline CyanPrime
« Reply #177 - Posted 2009-11-25 06:02:55 »

Two questions.

1) How do I uninstall something I installed from the Java Store?

2) How do I develop for the Java Store? I want in.
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« Reply #178 - Posted 2009-11-27 19:10:06 »

You should be able to just point it at a working JNLP and be done.
Thanks for the feedback and we are looking to add support for JNLP ingestion as you are correct that will simplify the submission process for existing apps that use JNLP.
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« Reply #179 - Posted 2009-11-27 19:41:58 »

>quote author=CyanPrime link=topic=20508.msg176749#msg176749 date=1259128975]
>Two questions.

>1) How do I uninstall something I installed from the Java Store?

Select the "MyApp" menu in the client and use the "uninstall" button

>2) How do I develop for the Java Store? I want in.
http://java.sun.com/warehouse
http://java.sun.com/warehouse/reference/docs/how_to/index.jsp

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