Will the Java Platform Create The World's Largest App Store?

[Riven]

New video capture of the Java Store and multiple apps in action here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQQfpurXjJU

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Notice how there are 5 seconds lacking any feedback between clicking the [Launch] button and the application-window being visible.


Note:
I do understand that it is due to launching an external process, but please show some feedback, within 100ms! A splash would do just fine.

[ChrisM]

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Notice how there are 5 seconds lacking any feedback between clicking the [Launch] button and the application-window being visible.


Note:
I do understand that it is due to launching an external process, but please show some feedback, within 100ms! A splash would do just fine.

Actually, the smaller box popped in behind the Java Store window.  And REALLY now....this is one thing that all Windows users are familiar with.  Clicking a link and not having any visual indication that something is working. 

EDIT:  IT WAS A JOKE FOLKS!  Even if it was a poorly constructed one   Of course this will be addressed, the store is still in Beta.

[Riven]

Actually, the smaller box popped in behind the Java Store window.

 

Then maybe launch the splash from within the AppStore process, by creating a window and calling toFront(). No way the OS can interfere with that.

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[Markus_Persson]

Actually, the smaller box popped in behind the Java Store window.  And REALLY now....this is one thing that all Windows users are familiar with.  Clicking a link and not having any visual indication that something is working.

 

Is this the general attitude within sun?

[Orangy Tang]

And REALLY now....this is one thing that all Windows users are familiar with.  Clicking a link and not having any visual indication that something is working.

Eh? If I click a link outside of a browser (say, from an email client) then the windows cursor will change to indicate progress. If I click a link within a browser then the there'll be a progress bar or icon within the browser itself.

Personally I'd expect the 'launch' button to change state, probably disabled with some kind of 'launching...' animation on it. At the moment it looks like it's broken and you'd probably get users clicking it multiple times.

[ChrisM]

Is this the general attitude within sun?

Markus...come on  I was just poking fun at Windows.  Of course it's not the general attitude here.  The store is still in Beta and they are working out the kinks.  I should have put a wink in there to show I was kidding

[ChrisM]

Eh? If I click a link outside of a browser (say, from an email client) then the windows cursor will change to indicate progress. If I click a link within a browser then the there'll be a progress bar or icon within the browser itself.

Personally I'd expect the 'launch' button to change state, probably disabled with some kind of 'launching...' animation on it. At the moment it looks like it's broken and you'd probably get users clicking it multiple times.

Actually, when you are installing from the store there actually is an animation to show it is working.  It is an interface bit the team is working on.  Again, bad joke on my part!

[Riven]

Actually, when you are installing from the store there actually is an animation to show it is working.  It is an interface bit the team is working on.  Again, bad joke on my part!

Well, you can't blame us from taking it a bit too seriously, because Webstart has a really bad track record of pop-under certificate dialogs.

[ChrisM]

Well, you can't blame us from taking it a bit too seriously, because Webstart has a really bad track record of pop-under certificate dialogs.

Agreed, but it's me guys!  You know I am happy to call out warts where they are.  Sorry for the confusion

[trembovetski]

Well, you can't blame us from taking it a bit too seriously, because Webstart has a really bad track record of pop-under certificate dialogs.

Hey, you told us people don't like those, so we're hiding them any way we can..

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[CommanderKeith]

Lol, and it's very secure that way too 

[Riven]

Hey, you told us people don't like those, so we're hiding them any way we can..

 


They tend to reveil themselves when I'm shutting down Windows.
Could you please shut it down for me as part of the launching procedure?

[TheGDeveloper]

do we know when it will be open for Europeans?

[Markus_Persson]

Markus...come on  I was just poking fun at Windows.  Of course it's not the general attitude here.  The store is still in Beta and they are working out the kinks.  I should have put a wink in there to show I was kidding

Oh, hah. Sorry, my fun detection unit was malfunctioning.

Also, yes! Winks! More winks = more fun!

[trembovetski]

The store (or, rather, warehouse) became somewhat more global:

http://java.sun.com/warehouse/overview/locations.jsp

People from these countries are now allowed to submit (for now, only free) apps to the warehouse:
Australia Brazil China    India Russia Sweden United Kingdom

Dmitri

[TheAnalogKid]

What??? Not Canada!    Why??

[DzzD]

What??? Not Canada!    Why??

reason are written at the bottom of the page

[TheAnalogKid]

Yeah, our tax/income tax system is sooooo complicated! Maybe that's why Canada isn't allowed for now.

[ChrisM]

Yeah, our tax/income tax system is sooooo complicated! Maybe that's why Canada isn't allowed for now.

You work on getting The Kids in the Hall back together and doing new material and we'll talk!   Seriously, don't know why there is the delay yet...

[TheAnalogKid]

You work on getting The Kids in the Hall back together and doing new material and we'll talk!

Hmmm, sorry?    English is not my first language, and I don't really know the american culture.

[ChrisM]

Hmmm, sorry?    English is not my first language, and I don't really know the american culture.

Ummm.... "The Kids in the Hall"?  The GREATEST comedy troupe to ever come out of Canada?  If you are from Canada, it is your civic duty to go back and review their work!

[TheAnalogKid]

oops!  I don't have a lot of english canadian culture. I'm from Quebec (which is part of Canada for others reading this) and the first language is french, therefore the english culture is very different from the french one, or Quebec one I should say because even France  and Quebec has a fundamental different culture.

[Nate]

Sun contacted me about SingSong and I tried putting an app in the store. They even provided people I could contact with problems. It took many iterations and bug reports to finally get it going. The submission site is terrible. You should be able to just point it at a working JNLP and be done.

[trembovetski]

Sun contacted me about SingSong and I tried putting an app in the store. They even provided people I could contact with problems. It took many iterations and bug reports to finally get it going. The submission site is terrible. You should be able to just point it at a working JNLP and be done.

Did you relate your experience to the Sun rep?

[Nate]

Yeah, I did, and I gave my suggestions. It just has quite a way to go still.

[trembovetski]

Yeah, I did, and I gave my suggestions. It just has quite a way to go still.

Thanks for doing that. Every bit helps.

[zammbi]

People from these countries are now allowed to submit (for now, only free) apps to the warehouse:
Australia Brazil China    India Russia Sweden United Kingdom

Have Australia but not New Zealand! Hope to see NZ soon 

[CyanPrime]

Two questions.

1) How do I uninstall something I installed from the Java Store?

2) How do I develop for the Java Store? I want in.

[No Mercy]

You should be able to just point it at a working JNLP and be done.

Thanks for the feedback and we are looking to add support for JNLP ingestion as you are correct that will simplify the submission process for existing apps that use JNLP.

[No Mercy]

>quote author=CyanPrime link=topic=20508.msg176749#msg176749 date=1259128975]
>Two questions.

>1) How do I uninstall something I installed from the Java Store?

Select the "MyApp" menu in the client and use the "uninstall" button

>2) How do I develop for the Java Store? I want in.
http://java.sun.com/warehouse
http://java.sun.com/warehouse/reference/docs/how_to/index.jsp