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Offline TheAnalogKid

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« Reply #60 - Posted 2009-04-22 19:23:56 »

The critical part to me is Java 6u10+. If it continues to be supported on the client side then I'm fine. I don't really care about AWT/Swing/Java 2D. The crucial parts for me are fast start-up time, JRE kernel, JRE modules targeted in Java 7. JWS and applets are great too but less crucial since we have alternatives like LWJGL applets and Pulp Core.

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« Reply #61 - Posted 2009-04-22 20:16:19 »

LWJGL applets?, I didn't realise LWJGL had it's own browser plugin with all the functionality of applets. I thought they used applets by fast loading some java classes using standard applet behaviour, then go on to download and unpack the natives/resources etc.

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« Reply #62 - Posted 2009-04-22 22:08:16 »

LWJGL applets?, I didn't realise LWJGL had it's own browser plugin with all the functionality of applets. I thought they used applets by fast loading some java classes using standard applet behaviour, then go on to download and unpack the natives/resources etc.

Endolf


Obviously LWJGL doesn't have any own brwoser plugins, it just a custom downloader/loader Wink
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« Reply #63 - Posted 2009-04-22 22:35:57 »

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Offline trembovetski

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« Reply #64 - Posted 2009-04-23 00:04:23 »

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Desktop is not where the money's at. It will be the first to get its budget reduced, I think.

On the contrary, java _on the desktop_ has been rather lucrative in the last few years (look at Sun's quarter report filings for details). This year it is supposed to bring close to 250m (all those distribution deals with google, microsoft, yahoo).

But yeah, we'll see..
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« Reply #65 - Posted 2009-04-23 00:55:10 »

Are expected to..
...annalists estimate that..

I don't know, it's not that convincing, also in the light of that their estimates are based on the amount of profit oracle is aiming for..

firing people is not the only way to increase profit. they also didn't seem to take into account that markets grow and shrink, perhaps oracle is optimistic in how they can grow "sun's" market cap.


anyway what I'm trying to say (and perhaps I'm naive) that the article seems like populism(is that the right word?). T'is a worse case scenario based on a profit estimate by someone who doesn't have the internal details and takes a one way approach.

It's harder to read code than to write it. - it's even harder to write readable code.

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Offline JonathanC

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« Reply #66 - Posted 2009-04-23 04:27:55 »

The critical part to me is Java 6u10+. If it continues to be supported on the client side then I'm fine. I don't really care about AWT/Swing/Java 2D. The crucial parts for me are fast start-up time, JRE kernel, JRE modules targeted in Java 7. JWS and applets are great too but less crucial since we have alternatives like LWJGL applets and Pulp Core.

Swing and Java2D will continue to be developed further - Oracle has a pretty big stake in this since many of its DB administration tools are written in Swing. They aren't sexy, but it would be shocking if they didn't invest further in this area or at least maintain it.

Swing's not really touched upon around these parts, but I still live and breathe Swing myself and am closely watching to see what comes of its future since I have a very vested interest in it and can't afford to see it set aside.
Offline Cero
« Reply #67 - Posted 2009-04-23 11:57:26 »

I don't really care about AWT/Swing/Java 2D.

Hold your horses there...

If Java2D stops existing, I'm doomed =P

Offline TheAnalogKid

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« Reply #68 - Posted 2009-04-23 13:14:14 »

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Swing and Java2D will continue to be developed further - Oracle has a pretty big stake in this since many of its DB administration tools are written in Swing. They aren't sexy, but it would be shocking if they didn't invest further in this area or at least maintain it.

Swing's not really touched upon around these parts, but I still live and breathe Swing myself and am closely watching to see what comes of its future since I have a very vested interest in it and can't afford to see it set aside.
Good point!  Smiley Thanks for pointing that.

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« Reply #69 - Posted 2009-05-08 18:04:11 »

according to this article some Sun shareholders are attempting to block the deal from going ahead. So possibly the deal might collapse.
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Offline ewjordan

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« Reply #70 - Posted 2009-05-08 18:39:24 »

according to this article some Sun shareholders are attempting to block the deal from going ahead. So possibly the deal might collapse.
I wouldn't expect too much out of that, personally.  They're trying to claim that Sun is accepting a grossly undervalued offer for the company, but let's be honest - Oracle's offer was around 40% higher than what Sun was trading at when it was made, is a per-share price that JAVA hasn't seen since before last October, and is right in line with what IBM was previously offering.  Yes, it may be possible that had they continued shopping around they might have come across a better offer, but I find it a stretch to think that a court will find the deal to be raw enough for shareholders to call it breach of fiduciary duty.

Then again, you never know, the law's a fickle beast for sure.
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