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Offline Json

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« Posted 2009-04-20 12:26:19 »

What's this then?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/20/oracle_buys_sun/

Have a read. Any comments?

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Offline h3ckboy

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« Reply #1 - Posted 2009-04-20 12:31:49 »

I didnt read it, but if it is true, then it is IBM all over again.

I jsut gotta say oen thing, no "google is evil" off-shoots ok Tongue.
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« Reply #2 - Posted 2009-04-20 12:55:42 »

seems like the deal is done, wonder what this'll mean for java?, guessing not much for java gaming.
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« Reply #3 - Posted 2009-04-20 13:03:00 »

Says nothing about Java, I really want to know what this means for Java...

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« Reply #4 - Posted 2009-04-20 13:07:17 »

sun seems ot really want to be bought :/
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« Reply #5 - Posted 2009-04-20 13:08:30 »

Oracle buying up Sun?

What are they going to do with Sun?

 Shocked

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Offline Json

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« Reply #6 - Posted 2009-04-20 13:09:13 »

Its really just all over the place.

http://www.sun.com/

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There are substantial long-term strategic customer advantages to Oracle owning two key Sun software assets: Java and Solaris. Java is one of the computer industry's best-known brands and most widely deployed technologies, and it is the most important software Oracle has ever acquired. Oracle Fusion Middleware, Oracle's fastest growing business, is built on top of Sun's Java language and software. Oracle can now ensure continued innovation and investment in Java technology for the benefit of customers and the Java community.

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Offline Mr_Light

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« Reply #7 - Posted 2009-04-20 13:25:04 »

There seem to be little overlap apart from Mysql.

So it could have been worse.

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Among other remarks, Schwartz adds: "Let me assure you [Oracle is] single minded in [its] focus on the one asset that doesn't appear in our financial statements: our people."
Sounds healthy

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« Reply #8 - Posted 2009-04-20 14:09:57 »

At Oracle they are so extremely, intensely focused on the serverside, that I fear improving JavaFX, the browser-plugin (or JOGL for that matter) will have a very low priority. Oracle will focus on where the money is... and it's not on the desktop.

I hold my breath for MySQL, sure they won't instantly pull the plug, but what will they do in the long run... even doing 'nothing' is bad. We can always convert to PostreSQL, which is better anyway. persecutioncomplex


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Offline zammbi

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« Reply #9 - Posted 2009-04-20 14:20:00 »

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At Oracle they are so extremely, intensely focused on the serverside, that I fear improving JavaFX, the browser-plugin (or JOGL for that matter) will have a very low priority. Oracle will focus on where the money is... and it's not on the desktop.
That's what I fear of.

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I hold my breath for MySQL, sure they won't instantly pull the plug, but what will they do in the long run... even doing 'nothing' is bad. We can always convert to PostreSQL, which is better anyway. persecutioncomplex
I really hope the don't kill it, or at least sell it to another company or so...

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Offline brackeen

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« Reply #10 - Posted 2009-04-20 14:40:36 »

Maybe Larry Ellison hates Microsoft so much that they'll pump money in JavaFX just to keep Silverlight down.

(Yes I was grasping at straws on that one)
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« Reply #11 - Posted 2009-04-20 14:53:35 »

Maybe Larry Ellison hates Microsoft so much that they'll pump money in JavaFX just to keep Silverlight down.

(Yes I was grasping at straws on that one)

They need to pump just enough money into it to make that certificate approval go away, and it will instantly eclipse Silverlight.



Anyway, now it's only a waiting game who's going to acquire Oracle. Lips Sealed

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« Reply #12 - Posted 2009-04-20 15:47:14 »

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That boy was our last hope.

No, there is another.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_virtual_machine
Offline brackeen

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« Reply #13 - Posted 2009-04-20 15:52:53 »

"Dalvik has no Just-in-time compiler"

The boy doesn't know the ways of the Force.
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« Reply #14 - Posted 2009-04-20 16:10:42 »

She's still young, and shows promise.

If we start haunting the Android forums and generate some interest in it, desktop Dalvik could be in the future. They're already experimenting porting Android to netbooks.
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« Reply #15 - Posted 2009-04-20 16:18:04 »

Join the darkside? Never!  Roll Eyes
Well Java isn't going to die. Oracle uses Java... Just the features that they don't use might be less supported.
Dalvik isn't going to help us in this case. It would take a fair while for it to work on all Os's, browsers and then have features like JavaFX.

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« Reply #16 - Posted 2009-04-20 17:10:33 »

I mean, everything could happen on client side technologies; positive and/or negative. We just need to wait more and learn what Oracle will announce.

Offline SunshineKiller

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« Reply #17 - Posted 2009-04-20 19:07:02 »

I dont think this is a slow down on desktop / whatever java. I think oracle just gained a lot. Cell phones use java a lot. This opens oracle to new things and maybe they expand there interests from server side to desktop and cell phones. I dunno its really a wait and see. I think they will get rid of mysql tho.

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« Reply #18 - Posted 2009-04-20 19:18:44 »

Well Java isn't going to die. Oracle uses Java... Just the features that they don't use might be less supported.

Oracle uses Java quite a lot actually. The only problem is, as already mentioned several times, that they focus on the enterprise server side. I've been at the Dutch office of Oracle a few times for training, and from the majority of people attending... it's just not very likely that this sort of people will invest heavily in JOGL Smiley
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« Reply #19 - Posted 2009-04-20 19:56:41 »

Oracle uses Java quite a lot actually. The only problem is, as already mentioned several times, that they focus on the enterprise server side. I've been at the Dutch office of Oracle a few times for training, and from the majority of people attending... it's just not very likely that this sort of people will invest heavily in JOGL Smiley

that is what lwjgl is for Wink
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« Reply #20 - Posted 2009-04-20 19:57:10 »

it's just not very likely that this sort of people will invest heavily in JOGL Smiley
It does not make me laugh, I need JOGL and I'm not alone in this case.

Offline Json

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« Reply #21 - Posted 2009-04-20 19:58:06 »

I want them to invest some more time in JOGL as well Cheesy

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« Reply #22 - Posted 2009-04-20 20:23:34 »

Oracle uses Java quite a lot actually. The only problem is, as already mentioned several times, that they focus on the enterprise server side. I've been at the Dutch office of Oracle a few times for training, and from the majority of people attending... it's just not very likely that this sort of people will invest heavily in JOGL Smiley

Suns recent focus on consumer side has been awesome, especially with some of java's biggest consumer issues being fixed and applets actually becoming usable. It would be nice if they continued this trend and not abandon the consumer jre, guess we'll just have to wait and see what oracles plans are.
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« Reply #23 - Posted 2009-04-20 20:25:17 »

Yeah, that would be terrible if Oracle decided to end support!  Shocked

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« Reply #24 - Posted 2009-04-20 20:26:44 »

It does not make me laugh, I need JOGL and I'm not alone in this case.
You don't need JOGL. It's just a binding. LWJGL does the same but different. Both have advantages and disadvantages, but it's not like you can't use OpenGL anymore, as soon as one of them vanishes.

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« Reply #25 - Posted 2009-04-20 20:33:06 »

You don't need JOGL. It's just a binding. LWJGL does the same but different. Both have advantages and disadvantages, but it's not like you can't use OpenGL anymore, as soon as one of them vanishes.
I disagree with you. I need a reliable OpenGL binding that doesn't give often a black screen as a result on my "old" computer (AMD Sempron 2600+, ATI Radeon 9250 Pro), I took some time to reproduce this bug and it is not completely fixed. I'm sorry but I'm not interested in watching a black screen even though a monochromatic black space could be considered as an artwork. If JOGL disappeared, I couldn't use OpenGL anymore.

Offline JoglHurt

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« Reply #26 - Posted 2009-04-20 21:39:49 »

Nothing bad should happen to Java. Referring to a comment in finnish news article Larry said "Java is the most important software that Oracle has ever acquired". This english to finnish, finnish to english translation may differ from the original comment (corrupted).

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« Reply #27 - Posted 2009-04-20 22:04:04 »

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Nothing bad should happen to Java. Referring to a comment in finnish news article Larry said "Java is the most important software that Oracle has ever acquired".


Java will be good for Oracle. Unfortunately, that doesn't automatically mean Oracle will be good for Java.

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Offline hishadow

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« Reply #28 - Posted 2009-04-20 22:15:17 »

It would be real shame if the Java VM dies for the browser. I believe it's the best way forward for integrating "real" applications into the browser, if only they managed to modularize it and improve startup-time. Sadly, in terms for graphics, Flash is king.
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« Reply #29 - Posted 2009-04-20 22:42:02 »

i think this link hasn't been posted yet:
http://www.oracle.com/sun/sun-faq.pdf



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