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Offline gouessej
« Posted 2009-04-09 15:29:10 »

Hi!

For those who don't know this law: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loi_Hadopi  (sorry it is in French)

This law was very dangerous for our individual rights, it was a real thread, it planned to create an authority that would be able to cut the internet connection of a customer when he has been accused of illegal downloading (peer to peer for example); this accusation would have been based on the IP address that is easily falsifiable. This law was not respecting the principle of presumption of innocence as the connection would have been cut and then you would have to prove your innocence to get it back. I'm very glad and touched. It is a wonderful day for my country, France. Long life for our freedom  Grin

Offline zammbi

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« Reply #1 - Posted 2009-04-09 16:09:18 »

We basically had the same law trying to get into NZ, but with the blackout movement its hopefully gone for good.

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Offline Matzon

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« Reply #2 - Posted 2009-04-09 17:45:35 »

Excellent news!

However, from ars technicas description, it is my understanding that during the vote a lot of nay-sayers charged in at the last minute and voted no?

Why didn't they just vote no from the beginning of the vote?
I mean if laws in a democracy is passed by tricking someone into believing that they have a majority vote - when they dont - then the model itself is flawed. In this case, one could expect that 2/3 of the elected people should be present and voting for any law to be passed!

oh well, for now I am just happy that it was shot down - it was mind numbingly stupid to begin with!

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Offline tom
« Reply #3 - Posted 2009-04-09 23:26:12 »

Don't celebrate yet. They will wote on it again, and then it will pass. Then it will up to the courts to decide if the law is legal, so to speak.

Offline DzzD
« Reply #4 - Posted 2009-04-09 23:54:20 »

Hi!

For those who don't know this law: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loi_Hadopi  (sorry it is in French)

This law was very dangerous for our individual rights, it was a real thread, it planned to create an authority that would be able to cut the internet connection of a customer when he has been accused of illegal downloading (peer to peer for example); this accusation would have been based on the IP address that is easily falsifiable. This law was not respecting the principle of presumption of innocence as the connection would have been cut and then you would have to prove your innocence to get it back. I'm very glad and touched. It is a wonderful day for my country, France. Long life for our freedom  Grin

+++++1

this is in fact very dangerous... welcom to prohibition back

Offline gouessej
« Reply #5 - Posted 2009-04-10 08:59:17 »

Don't celebrate yet. They will wote on it again, and then it will pass. Then it will up to the courts to decide if the law is legal, so to speak.
Yes they will vote again the 28th of April. We have to do something! Any suggestion?

Offline Bonbon-Chan

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« Reply #6 - Posted 2009-04-10 09:31:48 »

Why didn't they just vote no from the beginning of the vote?
I mean if laws in a democracy is passed by tricking someone into believing that they have a majority vote - when they dont - then the model itself is flawed. In this case, one could expect that 2/3 of the elected people should be present and voting for any law to be passed!

Well, I think it is even worst than that... They used a trastegy base on the non-present of "yes" voting people. "People was hiding behind pilar to hide they number ..." (true or not it give a really serious felling of politicians). All this to put opposition in difficulty. If it was me, I should put all of them (present or non) on the pillory. There is nothing democratic in this (even if I agree that this law is no good like this).
Offline gouessej
« Reply #7 - Posted 2009-04-24 14:17:44 »

Some demonstrations are organized against hadopi:
http://www.manifestation-contre-hadopi.com/

The European deputies voted an amendment against it:
http://www.laquadrature.net/fr/lexpansion-les-eurodeputes-sopposent-a-la-suspension-de-la-connexion-internet

 Grin Time to fight.

Offline h3ckboy

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« Reply #8 - Posted 2009-04-24 14:25:02 »

this france or all of europe?
Offline gouessej
« Reply #9 - Posted 2009-04-24 14:28:52 »

this france or all of europe?
Only in France as far as I know but the amendment concerns the whole Europe and might protect other people from bad laws like Hadopi.

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Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #10 - Posted 2009-04-24 16:54:26 »

Yes they will vote again the 28th of April. We have to do something! Any suggestion?
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Offline gouessej
« Reply #11 - Posted 2009-04-24 17:38:39 »

Rocket launchers.
Lol. You played too much with my ugly game  Grin I like your sense of humor.

Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #12 - Posted 2009-04-25 06:16:35 »

Lol. You played too much with my ugly game  Grin I like your sense of humor.
Haven't played it at all, actually, due to my only having Java 5. But regardless, rocket launchers solve everything. Smiley

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Offline gouessej
« Reply #13 - Posted 2009-04-25 10:03:21 »

Haven't played it at all, actually, due to my only having Java 5. But regardless, rocket launchers solve everything. Smiley
Too much people cannot play with it because they have only Java 1.5, between 3 and 8 % of the guys who play with it are under Mac OS, it is worth making an effort, I might add some lines in my ANT script to generate a JAR with classes compiled for Java 1.5 and load this JAR under Mac by specifying it in my JNLP file but I will do this only for the next version.

Lol if only it was so simple... bring your rocket launcher.

Offline DzzD
« Reply #14 - Posted 2009-05-13 18:41:44 »

ouch.....

adopted 5 hours ago

http://www.betanews.com/article/French-Assembly-passes-three-strikes-HADOPI-law/1242172150

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« Reply #15 - Posted 2009-05-13 18:58:11 »

Police is allowed to install a trojan.
ISP can disconnect you for a year without court order.

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Offline Martin Strand

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« Reply #16 - Posted 2009-05-13 19:21:25 »

Yeah, but unless you're a criminal you won't mind having a trojan that monitors everything you do and reports back to authorities, right?
So eventually you'll end up with a choice between monitored communication or no communication at all.

What a joke! Orwell couldn't even dream of this when he wrote 1984!
Offline Json

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« Reply #17 - Posted 2009-05-13 19:28:13 »

There is already a Swedish law that allows the government to scan all traffic crossing its borders.

// Json
Offline gouessej
« Reply #18 - Posted 2009-05-13 19:38:45 »

This law is not fair, it is not acceptable, we have to fight to defend our individual rights and preserve our freedom!

Offline DzzD
« Reply #19 - Posted 2009-06-10 18:01:20 »

HADOPI is dead  Smiley

http://www.challenges.fr/actualite/toute_lactu/20090610.OBS0087/le_conseil_constitutionnel_censure_le_pouvoir

(sry french link)

EDIT : here an english one : http://www.betanews.com/article/Constitutional-Council-strikes-down-key-portion-of-HADOPI-law/1244657497

Offline gouessej
« Reply #20 - Posted 2009-06-11 19:00:55 »

Yes but LOPPSI is not yet dead.

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