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  IBM to buy Sun for $7 Billion?  (Read 15774 times)
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Offline h3ckboy

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« Reply #30 - Posted 2009-03-19 18:10:18 »

It's all OpenGL because of the lack investment in AWT/Swing for gaming uses! Smiley Would IBM make this better?

So, who would you like to buy Sun if it has to happen?

Google
Adobe
Dell
Cisco
Who else?

Kev


GOOGLE!!

It may sound wierd but I am a google fan. (I have read their book *goes and cries* Smiley)
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« Reply #31 - Posted 2009-03-19 20:15:33 »

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I love Java, but I honestly think Sun hasn't done too much that I care about lately. IBM is a cool company, but I've never seen anything they did which I really cared about either (except Eclipse). I would be hesitant to have Google buy them because I'm honestly worried about Google becoming an internet monopoly. In terms of doing stuff for the end-user, Apple purchasing Sun might be interesting, mostly because then maybe I could finally use Java on the iPhone.  Tongue

But anyway I think it's really hard to say what will happen here. We'll see, I suppose.

If Apple were to buy Sun I would hastily learn C# Undecided
I can't stand Apple's philosphy toward either developers or customers.

Google would shake things up abit; maybe that's what Sun needs.

I doubt either are likely candidates though.

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Offline cylab

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« Reply #32 - Posted 2009-03-19 21:04:41 »

It may sound wierd but I am a google fan.

Hmm. For me google is the one thing on earth that scares me more than fundamental terrorists... but if you like being completely analysed from any thinkable angle, this might not bother you Wink

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Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #33 - Posted 2009-03-19 22:49:06 »

If Apple were to buy Sun I would hastily learn C# Undecided
I can't stand Apple's philosphy toward either developers or customers.

Google would shake things up abit; maybe that's what Sun needs.

I doubt either are likely candidates though.
You know, you're right.

Apple has treated Java incredibly poorly and hasn't been too hot with its customer base either lately. And their docs are terrifyingly awful for Objective-C.

Also, C# basically is Java, so you would probably spend about 2 days learning it.

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Offline userek

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« Reply #34 - Posted 2009-03-19 23:53:57 »

Also, C# basically is Java, so you would probably spend about 2 days learning it.

You can learn the syntax even in two hours, but its not about the syntax, its about the api and frameworks. You won't learn these in two days.
Offline cylab

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« Reply #35 - Posted 2009-03-20 00:18:33 »

You can learn the syntax even in two hours, but its not about the syntax, its about the api and frameworks. You won't learn these in two days.

Depends on what you are doing - there is

NHibernate
NAnt
Spring.Net
Log4Net
and
Asp.Net is basically JSF

Smiley

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Offline zammbi

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« Reply #36 - Posted 2009-03-20 02:32:14 »

I support google for world domination....  Tongue

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Offline Mr_Light

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« Reply #37 - Posted 2009-03-20 02:52:54 »

Depends on what you are doing - there is.....
yeah, - no.


Anyways you guys do know how Google got his initial capital? (it's closely related to the story why good business plans are no longer then 2 pages)

Sun is the most misunderstood stock on the stock exchange, if anything the discussions about the IBM takeover have only highlighted it even more. I've seen ppl subscribe value to things related to a possible merge that are going to fail miserably.

You should really read Johnathan's  last 4 blog post's and realize just how much the strategies of both companies collide.

IBM has a healthy competition with sun on the area's they compete, as in it drives both companies innovation. And where they don't compete they pretty much cooperate.

The only reason I can see IBM buying Sun that would actually pan out is that it's pocket change and prevents it from falling into the hands of someone else.

About forte, in my inital search I couldn't find much about it but it seems thats what the server is called the actually language is Tool? What was so great about it?

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Please no! Keep Java under GPL.
The funny thing with opensource is that the jack is out of the box. what are you worried about?

As far as products go it makes more sense for google to take over they do some hardware, they don't have a server/desktop OS that they want to push, etc. But as I mentioned before I rather see Sun go private the only real problems that have plagued Sun in the near past is that it's a company registered with the stock exchange.

Oh it's also nice to see that we drived up the price here by half a billion here everyone on the news was talking about 6,5.  Grin

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« Reply #38 - Posted 2009-03-20 02:57:58 »

IBM probably just wanted some of Sun's IP.
Offline Ranger
« Reply #39 - Posted 2009-03-20 05:58:16 »

About forte, in my inital search I couldn't find much about it but it seems thats what the server is called the actually language is Tool? What was so great about it?
Forte:  Well, for gamers, not much.  For Fortune 500 companies, a lot!  Image a language where you write some code and deploy it.  Then when the company grows 500%, your admins simply buy a few more servers/DBs and drag and drop your code onto them.  It was really that easy.  Oh, and Forte also had a true WYSIWYG visual editor.  Forte was not actually a language, it was its own environment.  You are correct, the language of Forte was called TOOL.

However, all is not lost.  As it happens, some of the programmers that worked on Forte, now work on Java.  I had a good laugh when I saw the shiny new jConsole that came out with Java 6....looks just like Fortes eConsole!   Smiley

And I really shouldn't complain, as I made some nice $$$ working for a company converting people from Forte to Java:  http://www.iterative-consulting.com/page/jctool_customers.html  Grin
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Offline jezek2
« Reply #40 - Posted 2009-03-20 08:40:14 »

But as I mentioned before I rather see Sun go private the only real problems that have plagued Sun in the near past is that it's a company registered with the stock exchange.

Yeah, Sun as private company would make a lot more sense, being public looks like a lot of trouble to a technological company who actually care about their stuff.
Offline cylab

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« Reply #41 - Posted 2009-03-20 11:34:57 »

I know this is off topic, but...

yeah, - no.

Well - yes. Maybe it was just my little niche in enterprise backend development, but it was no big deal to switch back and forth between .Net and J2EE. All technologies were nearly the same. Not to talk about approaches to common problems.

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Offline Mr_Light

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« Reply #42 - Posted 2009-03-20 14:27:27 »

I know this is off topic, but...

Well - yes. Maybe it was just my little niche in enterprise backend development, but it was no big deal to switch back and forth between .Net and J2EE. All technologies were nearly the same. Not to talk about approaches to common problems.


Well I was cutting corners a bit with that statement - hmm I still rather not open that can of worms.
I'll stick to this question: where will you deploy your stuff  Smiley

Also afaik the net solutions where still a bit behind compaired to there java variants.

It's harder to read code than to write it. - it's even harder to write readable code.

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Offline cylab

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« Reply #43 - Posted 2009-03-20 14:43:59 »

Well I was cutting corners a bit with that statement - hmm I still rather not open that can of worms.
I'll stick to this question: where will you deploy your stuff  Smiley

I was reffering to development, not deployment. Frankly I don't want to bother where I deploy the java stuff either. But you are right, let's just keep this topic closed Smiley

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Offline h3ckboy

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« Reply #44 - Posted 2009-03-20 15:35:16 »

Hmm. For me google is the one thing on earth that scares me more than fundamental terrorists... but if you like being completely analysed from any thinkable angle, this might not bother you Wink

how can it scare you?

have you not done tons of google searches? think abut how hard it would be without google.
Offline cylab

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« Reply #45 - Posted 2009-03-20 15:46:45 »

how can it scare you?

have you not done tons of google searches? think abut how hard it would be without google.

Probably I would still use altavista... The problem is not the google search alone, but all the other applications they create and their desire to combine those to derive other "useful" informations. They create a data privacy nightmare, but most people doesn't complain, because google is hip and fancy. Hey they even ask picasa users to link full names and email-adresses to people on pictures... and they can _identify_ those people on other pictures. Hmm, combine this with google street view and you can identify which people(or you) have been in a specific street at the time, the photo was taken. And if you use google desktop search, they might know the contents of your harddisk. And if you have a google account, they might now for what (porn, drugs, whatever) you are searching. If you use chrome, they might be able to track, to which financial (or other) service sites you have access to...

And think about agencies or criminals getting backdoor access to these data etc. etc.

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Offline h3ckboy

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« Reply #46 - Posted 2009-03-20 15:49:46 »

For starters, some1 shouldnt put personal info.

second, google isnt like "hey I bet alkhida could use some nice info, lets make these apps".

they really  are just trying to make things easier.

besides then facebook is a nightmare as well.
Offline cylab

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« Reply #47 - Posted 2009-03-20 15:53:58 »

For starters, some1 shouldnt put personal info.
Oh, everybody does... Blogs, forum profiles, social networking sites etc.

second, google isnt like "hey I bet alkhida could use some nice info, lets make these apps".

they really  are just trying to make things easier.
Yep. "The opposite of 'good' is 'by good intentions'".

besides then facebook is a nightmare as well.

I consider any social networking app to be a privacy nightmare. That's the reason, I don't use them - at least I don't post photographs in them.

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« Reply #48 - Posted 2009-03-20 15:56:23 »

They don't store personal data, or any data that would identify you. I know there was a big thing about this in chrome.
Most of there products do some feedback on usage and stat's but this its optional, just like another other products like from Microsoft.

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« Reply #49 - Posted 2009-03-20 16:03:13 »

wait you honestly dont use google?

u would rather use altaVista?
Offline cylab

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« Reply #50 - Posted 2009-03-20 16:06:14 »

wait you honestly dont use google?

u would rather use altaVista?
No I use google. I used altavista (or metacrawler) before google existed (yeah, I am this old Wink).

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Offline DzzD
« Reply #51 - Posted 2009-03-20 16:12:07 »

how can it scare you?

have you not done tons of google searches? think abut how hard it would be without google.

hum... how can they scare ?? by controlling all the internet traffics, google have gained a huge/the biggest power over information

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have you not done tons of google searches? think abut how hard it would be without google.
it wont be that hard and a lot more free... google just reduce what you can see throught your little internet windows to what they think are good.

Offline cylab

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« Reply #52 - Posted 2009-03-20 16:15:54 »

They don't store personal data, or any data that would identify you. I know there was a big thing about this in chrome.
Most of there products do some feedback on usage and stat's but this its optional, just like another other products like from Microsoft.

I am not saying, that they _do_ evil things, but they _could_, just because they own the data aggregation (and identification) capabilities from end to end. Also they often have the clause in their eula, that allows them to change their security and data privacy philosophy (including how much and what data are transfered to their servers) with the user implicitely agreeing to that change (without even knowing it).

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Offline Martin Strand

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« Reply #53 - Posted 2009-03-20 16:24:36 »

They don't store personal data, or any data that would identify you. I know there was a big thing about this in chrome.
Most of there products do some feedback on usage and stat's but this its optional, just like another other products like from Microsoft.
They track all your searches and associate them with your IP.
"Good intentions" of course since they're trying to make your search results more relevant. I'm not saying Google are doing anything evil at the moment, but power always corrupts and the power they have over information is unprecedented. Not only do they collect an insane amount of information, but they are also the biggest source of new information to most people.

You can use Privoxy to avoid google analytics and TrackMeNot (FF plugin) to make random searches.
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« Reply #54 - Posted 2009-03-20 16:33:13 »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOL_search_data_scandal shows what somebody could do with search data.
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« Reply #55 - Posted 2009-03-20 16:54:44 »

hum... how can they scare ?? by controlling all the internet traffics, google have gained a huge/the biggest power over information
it wont be that hard and a lot more free... google just reduce what you can see throught your little internet windows to what they think are good.


ok, if I understand you correctly.... you dont like it because it is the best?

taht jsut makes no sense.

you guys dont like it because 2 guys though "hey search sux right now, lets make it better" and they did it really well.

besides they would get crushed if they decided to do "bad" things.

think about how the whole gmail with ads thing.
Offline cylab

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« Reply #56 - Posted 2009-03-20 17:15:05 »

You don't get it at all, do you? Go out and read 1984.

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Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #57 - Posted 2009-03-20 17:35:20 »

You don't get it at all, do you? Go out and read 1984.
Good call. Tongue

Or just research **** Germany.

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Offline h3ckboy

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« Reply #58 - Posted 2009-03-20 17:52:48 »

You don't get it at all, do you? Go out and read 1984.

the year?

what does WW2(or two, cant remember which was then) have toi do with this?
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« Reply #59 - Posted 2009-03-20 18:53:08 »

I love how this thread has devolved from "IBM might buy Sun" to "Google is Big Brother" Cheesy
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