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Offline Ranger
« Reply #90 - Posted 2009-07-09 15:44:47 »

So now Google will have 2 OS's!  Maybe they decided to make Chrome OS because they didn't want people putting Android on Netbooks?
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« Reply #91 - Posted 2009-07-09 16:11:21 »

Well Android isn't built for Netbooks, this OS would be specially built for this kind of thing.
There FAQ says its going to be free: http://chrome.blogspot.com/2009/07/google-chrome-os-faq.html

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« Reply #92 - Posted 2009-07-09 17:00:24 »

As per usual, all I particularly care about is whether there will be a proper JVM and OpenGL / OpenAL on it.

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Offline DzzD
« Reply #93 - Posted 2009-07-09 19:18:30 »


lol... really... seeing all those Google projects just make me think that Google is going to explode itself, I eard they already fired some employees, and IMHO it is more related to the way they launch so many project than to the finacial crisys, without Google search engine Google is nothing....

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« Reply #94 - Posted 2009-07-09 21:31:59 »

I think Google takes a shotgun approach to new libraries and projects - it's easier and more produtive to just start lots of projects and acknoledge that a fair percentage will fail in some way, than it is to endlessly dither about what direction to go in and possibly throw your weight behind the wrong project.

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« Reply #95 - Posted 2009-07-09 22:28:04 »

IMO Google don't create new markets they steal them from existing players, simply by doing 'the same, but better'.

Now, unless Chrome OS offers Windows binary compatibility, Google isn't going to be competing with Micro$oft at all - they're going to be going head-to-head with the Linux & OSX markets.
I don't see this as a bad thing either - currently the competitors to Windows are many, and comparatively small.
If Chrome OS can bring all of these disparate groups into supporting a single platform, the market will be one step closer to toppling Micro$oft's monopoly.

OSX is nice & all, but doesn't everybody hate Apple for it's money-grabbing, proprietary, closed source philosophy?
Linux is nice & all, but without a single entity centrally organising the platforms evolution - it's quality & functionality can be rather haphazard at times.

Can't wait for the firey responses =)

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« Reply #96 - Posted 2009-07-09 22:43:39 »

Apple should have more $ letters in it's name then micro$oft and throw in a couple of £ and € letters too.
Offline DzzD
« Reply #97 - Posted 2009-07-09 22:53:33 »

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Can't wait for the firey responses =)
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« Reply #98 - Posted 2009-07-09 23:03:27 »

more OS's can only be good for cross-platform techs, like java, mono, flash, the web, etc.
Offline Cero
« Reply #99 - Posted 2009-07-09 23:09:33 »

then again Chrome OS could also be linux in its core

everything to help push linux would be great

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Offline DzzD
« Reply #100 - Posted 2009-07-09 23:13:58 »

I wonder when they will do GoogleMediaPlayer, GoogleDezzer, GoolgleJava, GoogleFridge. any other idea ?  pfff...

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« Reply #101 - Posted 2009-07-10 00:27:45 »

then again Chrome OS could also be linux in its core

everything to help push linux would be great

could also be android, which would mean linux + java, which would be even better Smiley
Offline Ranger
« Reply #102 - Posted 2009-07-10 02:13:53 »

then again Chrome OS could also be linux in its core

everything to help push linux would be great

It will be "Google Chrome running within a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel"  From http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html

But then again, so is Android, OSX, ...
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« Reply #103 - Posted 2009-07-10 10:26:37 »

could also be android, which would mean linux + java, which would be even better Smiley

I think it said that there taht it would be seperate from android. But it wont be competing wiht windows cause it is going to be for the netbook. Or so it says. if I am wrong about any of these things, dont go crazy Wink
Offline Cero
« Reply #104 - Posted 2009-07-10 11:10:18 »

I wonder when they will do GoogleMediaPlayer, GoogleDezzer, GoolgleJava, GoogleFridge. any other idea ?  pfff...

hum GoogleSQL maybe ? GoogleNetwork ?

Google f**king Fridge, I'm in!
just type in what you need in the bar, and it gets it for you.
and if you run out of stuff, it automatically tells you where to get it cheap nearby, using wifi

nah seriously, I generally like this fridge idea. like the fridge has a screen, and know whats in there are how much (determined per weight) and then tells you on the screen before hand, when you are going to run out of something

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« Reply #105 - Posted 2009-07-10 12:38:05 »

The google-fridge would beeasy if electronic barcodes are ever adopted....... unfortunately retailers are still living in the dark ages, employing dozens of till operators; as are manufacturers, willing to waste money on overpackaging, but not invest in e-bacodes.

E-barcodes would totally revolutionize the shopping experience; not to mention making shop-lifting much more difficult!

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Offline Cero
« Reply #106 - Posted 2009-07-10 14:36:40 »

yeah well the controversy of RFID(which I support) is one reason why it isn't a present technology yet, I guess.

Offline h3ckboy

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« Reply #107 - Posted 2009-07-10 14:42:06 »

The google-fridge would beeasy if electronic barcodes are ever adopted....... unfortunately retailers are still living in the dark ages, employing dozens of till operators; as are manufacturers, willing to waste money on overpackaging, but not invest in e-bacodes.

E-barcodes would totally revolutionize the shopping experience; not to mention making shop-lifting much more difficult!

dont they already use barcodign waht is the difference in electronic barcoding, please enlighten me.
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« Reply #108 - Posted 2009-07-10 14:48:55 »

Don't they already use barcoding? What is the difference in electronic barcoding, please enlighten me.

Barcodes: You have to point it at an optical scanner.
RFID: You have to wave it somewhere near an RFID reading device.
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« Reply #109 - Posted 2009-07-10 19:26:39 »

Google f**king Fridge, I'm in!
just type in what you need in the bar, and it gets it for you.
and if you run out of stuff, it automatically tells you where to get it cheap nearby, using wifi

nah seriously, I generally like this fridge idea. like the fridge has a screen, and know whats in there are how much (determined per weight) and then tells you on the screen before hand, when you are going to run out of something

Wow, blast from the past.  This is a concept we were talking about, publicly, at Sun 12+ years ago when location based systems were all the rage, but no tech was powerful/cheap enough to bring it forward.

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« Reply #110 - Posted 2009-07-10 20:37:33 »

Wow, blast from the past.  This is a concept we were talking about, publicly, at Sun 12+ years ago when location based systems were all the rage, but no tech was powerful/cheap enough to bring it forward.

A sun fridge?
Offline swpalmer

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« Reply #111 - Posted 2009-07-11 23:06:20 »

OSX is nice & all, but doesn't everybody hate Apple for it's money-grabbing, proprietary, closed source philosophy?

No. You get what you pay for.   A system that general works better and is more polished.  The software they provide for free with the OS or a new Mac is very good, and the way it all seamlessly works together is something I have yet to see anywhere else.  Having a closed system in terms of hardware really gives them an advantage that way - so many PC motherboards and BIOS are utter crap - and Windows is forced to deal with them all..   Even if Apple makes the same crap mistakes - at least they still know exactly how all the systems are the same and they can work around things.
So being "closed" has some advantages - it isn't all the horrible stuff that the open source community seems to think it is.

Open Source as far as I can tell basically means - if you have a problem "fix it your self" - thanks, I have soooo much free time to debug somebody else's shit software.

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Linux is nice & all, but without a single entity centrally organizing the platforms evolution - it's quality & functionality can be rather haphazard at times.

Yes, Linux sucks when you want to do anything that isn't supported directly by the people managing the distro.  They have these fancy package managers etc. but that is basically the ONLY way you can install software with a hope of it working, else you end up in the black hole of wasted time trying to download all the right dependencies and figure out all the inane command lines to get things to build.  Java actually has a great advantage on Linux because with Web Start you can deliver software that isn't part of the distro and it has half a chance of working.

That and the Linux UI is total crap compared to, well anything else.  When you have to open a config file in a text editor to get things done , you've failed - bigtime.   Just simple things like getting rid of the baziillion choices in my Grub boot menu because of all the old kernels left behind after updates is a pain...  Where's the UI for that?  It might actually be there, but an average user will never find it, and most linux geeks will tell you to fire up your text editor again - they just don't get how ridiculous that is - I'm not trying to write a memo! A text editor is simply not the right UI for system configuration.

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« Reply #112 - Posted 2009-07-12 01:32:08 »

+1, insightful.

I do wonder why Mac OS still has such an utterly, utterly shit file manager GUI though. It's actually worse than the one in Vista.

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Offline Mr_Light

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« Reply #113 - Posted 2009-07-13 04:43:18 »

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mac's  Cry

Open Source as far as I can tell basically means - if you have a problem "fix it your self" - thanks, I have soooo much free time to debug somebody else's shit software.
Regardless it beats having no option to solve problems.

Yes, Linux sucks when you want to do anything that isn't supported directly by the people managing the distro.  They have these fancy package managers etc. but that is basically the ONLY way you can install software with a hope of it working, else you end up in the black hole of wasted time trying to download all the right dependencies and figure out all the inane command lines to get things to build.  Java actually has a great advantage on Linux because with Web Start you can deliver software that isn't part of the distro and it has half a chance of working.
it hurts it hurts aaah - then again with other software on other platorms.. when I try to install configure and run stuff my way I get answers like "just don't do that" or "what your trying to do is impossible and that's why it doesn't do that" - but your competition can do x on y? "well in that case.... just don't do that, it will work in some other insecure/user unfriendly way/...

What I'm trying to say.. it pretty much crap everywhere.

That and the Linux UI is total crap compared to, well anything else.  When you have to open a config file in a text editor to get things done , you've failed - bigtime.   Just simple things like getting rid of the baziillion choices in my Grub boot menu because of all the old kernels left behind after updates is a pain...  Where's the UI for that?  It might actually be there, but an average user will never find it, and most linux geeks will tell you to fire up your text editor again - they just don't get how ridiculous that is - I'm not trying to write a memo! A text editor is simply not the right UI for system configuration.
have you tried ubuntu? it has kept only one fallback kernel for as long as I recall.

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Offline swpalmer

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« Reply #114 - Posted 2009-07-13 05:49:43 »

it hurts it hurts aaah - then again with other software on other platorms.. when I try to install configure and run stuff my way I get answers like "just don't do that" or "what your trying to do is impossible and that's why it doesn't do that" - but your competition can do x on y? "well in that case.... just don't do that, it will work in some other insecure/user unfriendly way/...

What I'm trying to say.. it pretty much crap everywhere.
What I was getting at is that on other platforms - i.e. Mac and Windows, you can download an application from anywhere - not just the people that packaged the OS, and it either "just works" (Mac), or you run the installer and it "just works" (Windows).  That's VERY rare on Linux.
Windows and Mac developers also don't expect end users to download the source and compile the program themselves (which leads to the black hole of time as pointed out above). They don't even realize how absurd that is. As an extreme example of developers doing things the linux way take "Subversion" - they make the source code, they compile it on many platforms so the developers can sign-off on the "official tarball" and then they hide those binaries they've already made and confirmed were good.  So you have to get Subversion from someone else!  Officially they only release source code - and they think that's reasonable!  I tried to compile Subversion 1.6 for Ubuntu, since the distro's repositories are so far out of date, that was the only choice I had... guess what - I never got a working Subverison 1.6 on Ubuntu.  Following the instructions simply didn't work... got some help from someone with more experience building Subversion - they got me a bit further and then still couldn't help.. because ./configure is crap.  The end result for the experts "you shouldn't be getting that error" - Duh, of course not, because YOU fools should be providing the binaries in the first place!

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have you tried ubuntu? it has kept only one fallback kernel for as long as I recall.

Ubuntu is the only Linux distro I've used in years, and on my work PC the list of old kernels is so large that I have to scroll to get to the Windows entry at the bottom.  Ubuntu is nice - for Linux.  For an day to day OS... it still sucks, for many reasons... poor driver support, no dual monitor support, poor audio support.  Audio in general on Linux is one pile of suck after another - note the loops one must jump through to enable sound in Flash in Firefox, etc.  There are some arcane things like /dev that seems to have links to zillions of hard drive partitions and terminals that don't exist - it's crap that should be cleaned up.

Note, that I'm aware that Linux has advantages - price is one of course, a real command line (still lacking on Windows), comes with free development tools and compilers.  There are lots of things provide by the central repository for the distro, and what's provided usually works out of the box (until you need to configure it yourself).  Eg. apache, python, pearl, C/C++, MySQL, GIMP, InkScape.  More filesystem options, no idiotic things like drive letters (still in Windows 7) and 8.3 file names.

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« Reply #115 - Posted 2009-07-13 08:27:31 »

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a real command line (still lacking on Windows)
Windows 7 now has PowerShell.

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Offline Cero
« Reply #116 - Posted 2009-07-13 09:24:59 »

@swpalmer's opinion

I really like Linux, but he is of course absolutely right. I just use Ubuntu, which is already the easiest, and generally, if you want to get something done, you will take a while.
Depending on if you use software that is already installed.
But if you want to use devices which you have no driver for right of, or you try to find a software thats similar to your app of choice on mac or win, you may take a while and encounter problems while installing.
I mean a regular user can still not work with a linux machine running ubuntu and expect everything to work just the same without problems.

But of course a big open source OS which is supported by a strong community which works together to accomplish goals is much better than one corp which only works for money
as we see Microsoft products are deliberately unfinished and only there to earn more money

Offline Mr_Light

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« Reply #117 - Posted 2009-07-13 14:39:26 »

...you run the installer and it "just works" (Windows).  That's VERY rare on Linux.
If you run everything as administrator and install stuff in the locations they want you to install etc. Vista has forced them to improve this somewhat but overall it has been crap.

//edit - though if you use a package manager your also subject to how well it has been packaged for the most part. well adleast you have cradled root's(or (much)better: solaris zones) and stuff on other OS'es. Actually a OS should be constructed as such that it doesn't matter where the instructions come from you should be able to externally isolate it, hmm wait that does sounds a lot like class loaders xD.

...
compiling from source sucks.

Though stuff I use every day and require the last release for I've never not been able to get a binary for.

Ubuntu is the only Linux distro I've used in years, and on my work PC the list of old kernels is so large that I have to scroll to get to the Windows entry at the bottom.  Ubuntu is nice - for Linux.  For an day to day OS... it still sucks, for many reasons... poor driver support, no dual monitor support, poor audio support.  Audio in general on Linux is one pile of suck after another - note the loops one must jump through to enable sound in Flash in Firefox, etc.  There are some arcane things like /dev that seems to have links to zillions of hard drive partitions and terminals that don't exist - it's crap that should be cleaned up.
Audio IS crap somehow they feel like changing subsystem every week or so, it's the same with windows when they changed it the difference being with windows it was only once with linux it's a zillion times.

As I said here grub is cleaned up automatically and I enjoy dual monitor setup; wich to some extend works better then under windows. Poor driver support I don't know considering, the only thing consistently not working (which I have to recompile from source every-time a kernel update is delivered) This is the only thing and with windows this hasn't been any different, hell I ended up buying new hardware just to get it working under windows.

(open)solaris is a supported plaform for flash so it "just works"

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Offline Cero
« Reply #118 - Posted 2009-07-13 14:50:32 »

ya well of course I forgot that issue
if you (again) search forums because something doesn't work, often geeks say "just compile this" or something like that
A user does not compile source code
And while I'm fixing problems in linux I never consider this an option...
setting up a compiler and fiddle around qith linking problems all day to compile something I didn't wrote just to use it, yeah right

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« Reply #119 - Posted 2009-07-14 05:27:13 »

As I said here grub is cleaned up automatically and I enjoy dual monitor setup; wich to some extend works better then under windows.

Grub isn't cleaned up for me, and I don't know the magic to get it to happen.  I can manually edit the grub menu file, but it is silly that I have to.  Only my first monitor is used and there seems to be no option anywhere in the UI to enable the second... even on Windows it was a royal pain to get the two monitors working properly, so I have no doubt that if you ever do get it to work on Ubuntu it has a good chance of working better than Windows.. of course on my old Mac powerbook from 2003 I just plug in the second monitor and it goes.  The dual monitor config on a Mac is effortless.

Other things that suck about windows.  No symlinks.  No hardlinks (well NTFS has them, but there is no way to create or use them).  Oh, and COM.

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