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Offline erikd

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« Reply #60 - Posted 2009-06-19 15:34:53 »

So far I have no serious issues with Vista, except for the hideous new GUI that hides everything you need.
I've not used it for very long yet, though.

Offline Cero
« Reply #61 - Posted 2009-06-22 15:47:09 »

I always assume that Microsoft would keep routes to settings of an OS.

So someone asks me to do something on their pc. I am like "yeah no problem, we just go to control panel and... wait, where is everything ?"

everytime i use it, i cannot even find anything. besides the fact that the explorer and start menu is just designed in a silly way

tried to rip off mac os x but failed big time =/

and this comes from a guy who immediately loved ubuntu right from the start

Microsoft's time is up. They are slowly losing console wars, and fast the OS market.
Remember it doesnt matter that most people today still use some kind of Windows, fact is, nobody buys it anymore. there are traditional systems which have windows and are never changed, or pirated version are used.
I know only a single person who would ever pay for an OS.

Offline zammbi

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« Reply #62 - Posted 2009-06-22 16:33:52 »

Well personally I wouldn't buy a OS on its own (come with the computer).
But I would never ever install anything else then windows.
Windows 7 is working lovely here, haven't heard anyone having any problems with it, so it should restore faith from Vista. Thought Vista SP2 is out now, I don't think there's much trouble with it these days.

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Offline Ranger
« Reply #63 - Posted 2009-06-22 22:10:31 »

Yea, since SP2, Vista has actually become  persecutioncomplex stable  persecutioncomplex  ...still slow and a memory hog though  Roll Eyes  Bring on Windows 7!
Offline swpalmer

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« Reply #64 - Posted 2009-06-23 06:00:00 »

Well personally I wouldn't buy a OS on its own (come with the computer).
But I would never ever install anything else then windows.
Windows 7 is working lovely here, haven't heard anyone having any problems with it, so it should restore faith from Vista. Thought Vista SP2 is out now, I don't think there's much trouble with it these days.

Microsoft isn't good at making software that works well.  They're just good at selling the crap they do make.

I'm running Windows 7 now.  It's a bit better than Vista... but let me illustrate some of the brain-dead things that MS did - just in the installer alone.

1. Installer starts loading from bootable DVD... after a bit it says "Starting Windows"
2. Machine hangs with virtually no disk activity or feedback of any sort on a screen with nothing but a background graphic and a pointer.  It sits like this for several minutes - no sign of loading anything and no message on the screen at all.
3.Installer UI appears.. similar hang to #2, but not for as long.  Then I'm offered the choice to "Upgrade my existing Windows install" or "Custom install"
4. Pick "Upgrade".. installer then tells you "You can't upgrade from the installer you idiot!  You have to reboot and run the install from inside your existing Windows installation" - MS installer folks = morons.
5. Reboot after all that useless waiting..
6. Boot in to windows XP 32-bit.
7. Run Windows 7 (64-bit) installer
8. Install program tells you, "You idiot, you can't upgrade from 32-bit XP to 64-bit Windows 7.  You have to boot from the install CD and select custom install to do a new fresh install." - MS installer folks = morons.

They blood go through the effort of detecting a previous install and showing you an "Upgrade" button, only to say AFTER you press it that the upgrade button doesn't and you have to reboot.  But the morons don't bother to do the trivial check to see if the existing OS was 64-bit or not, so they simply trick you into wasting more time.

And I'm supposed to trust these idiots with making an operating system that doesn't suck?  Trust me the suckage you don't notice is probably still there under the hood. MS is full of that kind of thing - like still *requiring* 8.3 file names in .msi installers even though .msi installers *can't* run on any platform that doesn't support "long" file names.
Other suckage: drive letters.  And an A: drive that shows up even when it is not physically present.  Of course there is the Vista fiasco of UAC... which silently breaks tons of stuff, like Google Chrome, and drag and drop of files to notepad.  Face it - MS sucks at what they do.  If it weren't for lack of support from 3rd parties for hardware and software nearly every other (non-MS) OS would be preferred.

That said.. I think Windows 7 sucks less.   It's too bad they have such a monopoly... I'd much rather run OpenSolaris - if only it was supported better.  Hals the reason I use and code in Java is so I'm not tied to Windows.. I don't care about "run anywhere"so much as I care about "run anywhere else" ;-)
If it weren't for the Windows monopoly I would guess computing would be ten years ahead fo where it's at... MS was ten years late on making a decent graphical OS.. ten years late on multitasking... STILL is sitting in the stone age on things like 8.3 file names and drive letters...  and everything they do just copies more from the Mac but with enough of a twist to make it not as good. (See the new start bar in Windows 7 which mimics the Mac "dock")

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« Reply #65 - Posted 2009-06-23 08:56:09 »

Can't say I've tried OpenSolaris so can't really comment there. But that's looks like its more for servers.

I did do a upgrade didn't have any problems what you said. But its a RC so you can report those problems. I believe I read they were improving this for the final version anyway.

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And an A: drive that shows up even when it is not physically present.
Not for me. Might be a bug in the RC.

The only way I would see me replacing Windows any time soon is if Google come out with there own OS  Smiley

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Offline Cero
« Reply #66 - Posted 2009-06-23 12:23:46 »

The only way I would see me replacing Windows any time soon is if Google come out with there own OS  Smiley

You really don't want to trigger a "google is evil" discussion again ? =D

Offline zammbi

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« Reply #67 - Posted 2009-06-23 13:43:58 »

Haha that's always fun.
Well I'll be dropping my Windows mobile when android comes out in NZ.

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Offline Ranger
« Reply #68 - Posted 2009-06-24 04:57:34 »

Rumour has is that Dell are trialling Android running on their netbooks.  The reason they give is it more responsive and gives better battery life then other o/s.
Offline erikd

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« Reply #69 - Posted 2009-06-24 09:12:58 »

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They are slowly losing console wars, and ...

How's that?
As far as I can see the xbox 360 is a huge hit and won over Sony's PS3 in quite a convincing way.
Seeing that Nintendo just seemed to have hit a different audience, you could argue that Microsoft has won the console wars in some ways.
The ones who have clearly lost this round are Sony.

FWIW I think Microsoft is not as evil anymore as they used to be (I think we'd be in a much worse position if for example Apple would take MS' place).
Their OS-es (while not being the most user friendly) have actually become quite stable over the years and MS do innovate these days.

Not that I particularly *like* microsoft though Wink, but I think we shouldn't become stuck in a stubborn 'M$ = evil & sucks' mindset.

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Offline Cero
« Reply #70 - Posted 2009-06-24 09:28:37 »

How's that?
As far as I can see the xbox 360 is a huge hit and won over Sony's PS3 in quite a convincing way.
Seeing that Nintendo just seemed to have hit a different audience, you could argue that Microsoft has won the console wars in some ways.
The ones who have clearly lost this round are Sony.

FWIW I think Microsoft is not as evil anymore as they used to be (I think we'd be in a much worse position if for example Apple would take MS' place).
Their OS-es (while not being the most user friendly) have actually become quite stable over the years and MS do innovate these days.

Not that I particularly *like* microsoft though Wink, but I think we shouldn't become stuck in a stubborn 'M$ = evil & sucks' mindset.

no. the 360 was released about 2 years earlier, unfinishied of course like any MS product (ring of death etc). and of course because of this and the complicated development on ps3, the 360 had a better acceleration but now the ps3 wins since 2008, because it was designed for a long run
in my opinion nintendo and wii do not participate in console wars, their console is different and outsells both system by far

the 3 big regions of gaming are US, Japan and Europe of course.
the 360 sells in japan are almost zero ever since
and in europe it will take at most one year and ps3 passed 360

in germany, already, more people own and buy ps3 than 360's

And I dont have to talk about the PS2, still sells enormously. And of course still games come out for it.

EDIT: some source here ^^ http://vgchartz.com/

I personally selld my 360 and bought a PS3 1 month ago. And i enjoy 1080p, network play which is free, MGS4, Infamous and Valkyria Chronicles.
Thats actually my ps3 library right now =P

bottom line in every direction(OS, gaming, other software, etc) its the same with MS: they might be still in lead, but only because they where in lead this long, and it gradually ends now

Offline erikd

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« Reply #71 - Posted 2009-06-24 16:34:41 »

the 3 big regions of gaming are US, Japan and Europe of course.
the 360 sells in japan are almost zero ever since
and in europe it will take at most one year and ps3 passed 360

Umm, check your own sources (vgchartz, fwiw).

In Japan the 360 sells almost as much as the PS3 these days. Or should I say as little? (PS3 is not doing that well in japan too)
In Europe, 360 has a 2 million lead and still outsells PS3.
In the biggest market, the US, the 360 outsells the PS3 even more.

So I can't see how you can argue that PS3 is winning this.

Now MS has made mistakes (like the RROD), but so did Sony (releasing a compromised design that's painful to develop on with much fanfare as having supercomputer performance while at the same time being consistently outperformed by the cheaper XBox)

While not being the cancer curing powerhouse Sony tauted it to be, I do love my PS3 though. Some truly great games there, and it's a nice versatile, reliable and quiet machine.
But it *is* being outsold and outperformed by the 360.

Offline Cero
« Reply #72 - Posted 2009-06-24 18:49:31 »

In Japan the 360 sells almost as much as the PS3 these days. Or should I say as little? (PS3 is not doing that well in japan too)

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?reg1=Japan&reg2=Japan&reg3=Japan&start=39033&weekly=1

the 360 has almost, what you call a flat line =P
dont know what youre looking at

Offline erikd

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« Reply #73 - Posted 2009-06-24 21:29:09 »

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?reg1=Japan&reg2=Japan&reg3=Japan&start=39033&weekly=1

the 360 has almost, what you call a flat line =P
dont know what youre looking at

I'm looking at http://vgchartz.com/jweekly.php (maybe 360 sales just have a temporary peak this week?)
PS3 might do a bit better in japan (well, let's say 'less badly'), but if you're looking at worldwide sales I don't see PS3 catching the 360's life time sales, ever.

Not to say PS3 is a failure, but it's kind of embarassing seeing Sony going from massively dominating the market to having to accept last place.

Offline Cero
« Reply #74 - Posted 2009-06-24 22:04:15 »

this is getting kinda off topic

but it is the fact for most industries: music, movies, games, software (including OS')
you see it everywhere: why do you create something? to earn money or to have create something great, you know, doing it with passion and ambition, where money is only a necessary side effect.

MS just releases crappy soft- and hardware, also at an unfinished state only to earn more money
I mean look at all the braindead ego shooters on 360 (shoot, shoot, shoot, reload and shoot some more. and every game is the same)

and of course you can see it in the movie industry too right ? Mostly uninspired, badly written, REMAKES and bad sequels

and this is definitely why MS has to die and will die.
well i have to stop, i could go on forever why MS is especially bad for the gaming industry and dragging the overall quality down, being a company that just smelled money in the game industry while japanese companies are the pioneers

Offline erikd

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« Reply #75 - Posted 2009-06-25 12:32:24 »

this is getting kinda off topic

but it is the fact for most industries: music, movies, games, software (including OS')
you see it everywhere: why do you create something? to earn money or to have create something great, you know, doing it with passion and ambition, where money is only a necessary side effect.

MS just releases crappy soft- and hardware, also at an unfinished state only to earn more money
I mean look at all the braindead ego shooters on 360 (shoot, shoot, shoot, reload and shoot some more. and every game is the same)

and of course you can see it in the movie industry too right ? Mostly uninspired, badly written, REMAKES and bad sequels

and this is definitely why MS has to die and will die.
well i have to stop, i could go on forever why MS is especially bad for the gaming industry and dragging the overall quality down, being a company that just smelled money in the game industry while japanese companies are the pioneers

I think that's a bit too easy.

Sony's bottomline too is money. Remember Sony was also not a pioneer in the industry in any way when they entered.

And while Nintendo was inventive with the controllers, the Wii basically became the preferred console for non-gamers, just putting out shovelware for soccermoms and recycling old gamecube games. To me, Nintendo is the most money grabbing corporate in the industry at the moment.

Microsoft now made the best performing console with the most great games, and have some innovation in the pipeline as well (Natal). Do you honestly believe everybody who's working at MS are money hungry monsters lusting for world dominance? Don't you think there are probably enough people there that are truly in the business because they simply love being part of it?

And braindead originality-free ego shooters are everywhere. It's not typically a 360 thing. I mean look at Killzone 2 on PS3 for example, that can't be called original.

But yeah, this *is* getting a bit offtopic  Smiley

Offline Cero
« Reply #76 - Posted 2009-06-25 14:15:51 »

And braindead originality-free ego shooters are everywhere. It's not typically a 360 thing. I mean look at Killzone 2 on PS3 for example, that can't be called original.

yeah well that IS true. because killzone is a game for the american market

http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Killzone+2+-+PS3&reg2=America&game2=Killzone+2+-+PS3&reg3=Others&game3=Killzone+2+-+PS3&weeks=100

Nobody in japan f**king cares about it.
But PS3 has notably less games of that kind.

Same story with GTA 4 btw.
I used to love GTA 1, 2, even 3. I still play 2 when im bored
but damn all that hype and ratings about 4

can you believe gametrailers.com gave GTA 4 an award for "best story" ? There is no f**king story...

im just mad, my way of thinking seems japanese,
by doing games design and creating games, my ambition is to tell a story, to make people think and laugh, to transfer emotions in an interactive way.

this is why my favourite franchises are final fantasy and MGS.
its not just a game... you care about those characters


and to be ontopic again, its the same with MS.
Like I mean with linux all thee people around the globe are working together to make a great product more usable and efficient.
and with MS its all about sales, this is why it sucks, because the only way to do anything successful in life you have to do it because you really want to, not to get paid

no im not saying every guy working at MS is like that of course not, bur the producers make decisions
and what they say is either "no thats still not good enough, people have expections, we cant do it like that" OR "f**k them, as long as the buy it, thats all we care about"

I mean the vista hype when it came out was garbage: it has a calendar and analog clock on the screen... woooow
an OS is about kernel and how it works, not about silly programs you can aswell download on win xp or something
it is made to look good to the outside, but it really isnt. its a disguise

like the xbox, till the day you spend hundres of $ on xbox live which should be free, and eventually seeing the RROD (which I btw say 2 f**king weeks after I bought it)

Offline Mr_Light

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« Reply #77 - Posted 2009-06-26 00:26:10 »

Can't say I've tried OpenSolaris so can't really comment there. But that's looks like its more for servers.

I'd almost say it's more targeted at desktop environment adleast that is where most momentum seems to be.

Time slider is kinda cool and might well be a killer feature for 'the spouse'.

Microsoft is great, I love their mouses and keyboards.  Wink

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« Reply #78 - Posted 2009-06-26 04:45:23 »

FWIW I think Microsoft is not as evil anymore as they used to be (I think we'd be in a much worse position if for example Apple would take MS' place).
Their OS-es (while not being the most user friendly) have actually become quite stable over the years and MS do innovate these days.

Can you name a Microsoft innovation that they didn't acquire from some other company (and subsequently ruin), or blatantly copy from Apple? Or "invent" simply as a reaction to the real innovator (E.g. C# based on Java)
Or given that they came up with it on their own - that it doesn't suck? (E.g. removing/hiding the menu bar and when they do show it, placing it under the tool bar in recent IE and Office apps)

Remember Windows 95?  Ten years AFTER Amiga had a graphical OS with true (non-cooperative) multitasking.

I can't think of anything that compares to something like Sun's ZFS for example.

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Not that I particularly *like* microsoft though Wink, but I think we shouldn't become stuck in a stubborn 'M$ = evil & sucks' mindset.

I lived though the early days of DOS... and saw much better and more advanced platforms die out (Atari ST, Amiga, BeBox, BeOS) basically because of the Wintel monopoly. I credit IBM with Microsofts success... the IBM salesforce was powerful and they sold what they knew was inferior crap to hand Microsoft it's monopoly.  It effectively poisoned the computer industry for a decade at least.  I'm holding that grudge for a REALLY long time :-)

Offline Cero
« Reply #79 - Posted 2009-06-26 09:26:56 »

Can you name a Microsoft innovation that they didn't acquire from some other company (and subsequently ruin), or blatantly copy from Apple?

Thats so funny, because I wasn't even aware of it...
Somewhere in 2008 I started looking at Vista and noticed the changes in the explorer and windows such as control panel and stuff. ... And then later I looked at OS X, because I honestly have never worked with it.
And as I looked at it, I was like "wait a minute... isnt this exactly like Vista?"
so funny =P


Or "invent" simply as a reaction to the real innovator (E.g. C# based on Java) time :-)

Oh ya. A while ago I tried XNA, and it was so easy to handle because of the great similarities with Java
even the original methods that are called by default have the same names, like paint()

Offline erikd

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« Reply #80 - Posted 2009-06-26 10:30:16 »

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Can you name a Microsoft innovation that they didn't acquire from some other company (and subsequently ruin), or blatantly copy from Apple? Or "invent" simply as a reaction to the real innovator (E.g. C# based on Java)

Apple only has a small fraction of the number of patents that MS has.
I'm not sure how else you can quantify the 'innovativeness' of a company, but I'm sure that argueing with random examples isn't proving anything.

That doesn't mean that Windows 95 didn't suck though  Wink, and I do share your attitude towards MS to a certain degree.
But what would the world have looked like if Apple would have been in MS' position? I guess we'd have prettier GUIs, but everything would've been much more expensive, closed and proprietary. I'm not sure that would've been an improvement overall.

Offline Cero
« Reply #81 - Posted 2009-06-26 12:07:54 »

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1016-1010740.html

I live in germany so this came to my attention today

a small victory =)

Offline Mr_Light

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« Reply #82 - Posted 2009-06-26 14:30:16 »

I can't think of anything that compares to something like Sun's ZFS for example.

ZFS is invluenced by WAFL which was influenced by something by sun etc. etc.

that being said while most likely there is some innovation going on there it's being snowed under so bad - by stuff they present as 'new, innovating and radically different' which really, really, isn't.

It's harder to read code than to write it. - it's even harder to write readable code.

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« Reply #83 - Posted 2009-06-26 16:48:25 »

even my friend, who is a mac worshipper, has aggreed that windwos 7 is the best operating system out at the time. It is faster than mac OSX, and it has just much looks. And not to mention still not finished.
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« Reply #84 - Posted 2009-06-26 20:17:54 »

even my friend, who is a mac worshipper, has aggreed that windwos 7 is the best operating system out at the time. It is faster than mac OSX, and it has just much looks. And not to mention still not finished.
I disconcur.

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« Reply #85 - Posted 2009-06-26 22:29:59 »

I disconcur.

reasoning?
Offline Cero
« Reply #86 - Posted 2009-06-26 23:03:57 »

even my friend, who is a mac worshipper, has aggreed that windwos 7 is the best operating system out at the time. It is faster than mac OSX, and it has just much looks. And not to mention still not finished.

windows 7 is not "out there" as it is not released
the only reason MS developed 7 in the first is because Vista sucked so hard

ontopic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7AZ9nCY

Offline Cero
« Reply #87 - Posted 2009-07-09 10:03:09 »

The only way I would see me replacing Windows any time soon is if Google come out with there own OS  Smiley

Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

f**k this

Offline zammbi

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« Reply #88 - Posted 2009-07-09 10:17:33 »

Interesting. So they finally got the cat out of the bag.
But I'll need more info before commenting what I think. But by looking at it so far, I'll be keeping with Windows.

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« Reply #89 - Posted 2009-07-09 12:41:47 »


I dont want to start a flame war about google, but cool, I am quite excited to try this out. The browser chrome trumped IE, so maybe the OS will as well.
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